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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 11, 2008 21:24:31 GMT -5
Does any body have any actual reasons why this isn't a good idea other than "ewwww a tranny" or "you're a freak?" There's zero upside. That's the actual answer.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Jul 11, 2008 21:26:29 GMT -5
Because Kloudi and Sammy worked so well...not to mention Saturn and Vito's dress gimmicks. Hey, Vito got damn over with that gimmick, more than he ever did in any other gimmick.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jul 11, 2008 21:31:05 GMT -5
Does any body have any actual reasons why this isn't a good idea other than "ewwww a tranny" or "you're a freak?" There's zero upside. That's the actual answer. I don't get that. There's just as much of an upside as if a regular female would take the role. Notoriety. It would also help the transsexual community get it's foot in the door for another form of entertainment.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jul 11, 2008 21:32:22 GMT -5
Because Kloudi and Sammy worked so well...not to mention Saturn and Vito's dress gimmicks. Did you even read all of my post? There's a difference between transvestites and transsexuals.
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Post by James McCloud IS John Godot on Jul 11, 2008 21:35:59 GMT -5
I don't get that. There's just as much of an upside as if a regular female would take the role. Notoriety. It would also help the transsexual community get it's foot in the door for another form of entertainment. The WWE doesn't exist to help the transsexual community, unfortunately. The WWE doesn't really want to push the envelope either, it watches the envelope being pushed then tries to copy it 2-5 years later.
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Post by casualobserver on Jul 11, 2008 23:05:30 GMT -5
"That's the worst idea I've ever heard in my life." "Yes, this is horrible, this idea."
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Post by bob on Jul 12, 2008 0:41:26 GMT -5
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Post by The OP on Jul 12, 2008 0:59:16 GMT -5
I don't think it's such a bad idea. People have this perception now that wrestling appeals only to macho males, when in fact it's always featured heavy doses of androgyny. Being a guy like the Rock who shaves his chest, legs, and back is not an example of macho behavior in our socitety. The first big breakout star in pro wrestling was Gorgeous George, who got over as being an effiminate male who dyed his hair.
Wrestling has always pushed the envelope when it comes to gender roles, and I think the inclusion of a transsexual that was treated not just as a comedy character would be a natural progression for the business. It's natural that this person would be a heel, because there is a mysoginist macho side to wrestling, but that's one of the things that makes it so interesting IMO. There are so many contradictions, and it's really hard to exactly define anything in pro wrestling, or to make a lot of generalizations.
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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Jul 12, 2008 1:03:14 GMT -5
Why don't they just do a freaking Rocky Horror Picture Show stable?
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Jul 12, 2008 1:21:14 GMT -5
I can't say anything that the Brahma Bull and Jay Peas haven't already said. Their is literally nothing positive I can say about this idea.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Jul 12, 2008 1:24:25 GMT -5
Because Kloudi and Sammy worked so well...not to mention Saturn and Vito's dress gimmicks. Did you even read all of my post? There's a difference between transvestites and transsexuals. Oh I read it, but listed the most comparable characters I could think of, which I knew were not the same thing as transexual. Transsexuals aren't the same as transvestites, but I think for the sake of comparison, the examples I listed can give us an idea of how it might work in WWE.
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Post by wwerules60 on Jul 12, 2008 1:24:43 GMT -5
Is the fact that the person is transsexual the gimmick? because if that is the gimmick then it is a bad idea, gender or sexual orientation usually makes bad gimmicks (Goldust is an exception)
if it isn't the gimmick then i think it could work but most likely not because everyone will focus on the transsexual thing and just turn it into something bad.
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Post by SickFreak: Dusty Rhodes on Jul 12, 2008 1:30:55 GMT -5
ROFLCOPTER
What's next, face Muhammad Hassan?
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Jul 12, 2008 7:06:18 GMT -5
i love's me some tranny, but what is the motivation behind this? if anything it'd just alienate the many bigot hillbillies that make up a large portion of WWEs mainstream audience.
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Post by stig on Jul 12, 2008 9:38:13 GMT -5
I understand that the original posters idea, and yes it would help to try and get new fans into wrestling and open the door.
But, would it be worth attempting to gain small hand full of fans with the risk of loosing greater percentage of existing fans. Sorry, but cannot see an upside to this idea.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 12, 2008 10:02:42 GMT -5
Also can't see an upside to this. Remember how WWE handled the gay thing with Billy and Chuck? A tranny would make them look like serious, well-respected characters.
Wrestling appeals to the lowest common denominator. A tranny would alienate that.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jul 14, 2008 17:13:21 GMT -5
Well, at least some of you are taking this seriously.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 14, 2008 17:27:42 GMT -5
Does any body have any actual reasons why this isn't a good idea other than "ewwww a tranny" or "you're a freak?" Because, sadly, there's too big a chunk of homophobes within the wrestling fandom. And I don't see Vince enjoying the idea of a transexual valet as babyface.
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Post by pks on Jul 14, 2008 17:39:37 GMT -5
Does any body have any actual reasons why this isn't a good idea other than "ewwww a tranny" or "you're a freak?" Because, sadly, there's too big a chunk of homophobes within the wrestling fandom. And I don't see Vince enjoying the idea of a transexual valet as babyface. Homophobes? Who ever mentioned homosexuality?
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Post by greeby on Jul 14, 2008 17:45:49 GMT -5
What I dread is what the braintrusts in "creative" would do if one of the divas turned out to be a legitimate lesbian (as opposed to all the tease stuff they've done over the years). They'd never leave it alone
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