Bedlam LadyD
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Is a WSX Cupcake. BOOOOOOOM!!
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Post by Bedlam LadyD on Jul 23, 2008 17:21:01 GMT -5
I swear, one of my favorite little lines got completely overshadowed. It happened at the very beginning of the movie, so it's not like I'm shocked about that. ^-^
Multiple Batmen: We only wanted to help you! Batman: I don't need help. Scarecrow: -crooked grin- Not by my diagnosis.
For some reason I just loved that.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 23, 2008 17:29:26 GMT -5
Yeah I loved when they told him "What gives you the right and not us!" "I'm not wearing hockey gear."
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Post by wahoowah11 on Jul 23, 2008 17:45:41 GMT -5
I have seen the movie twice and the movie never gets old. It awesome everything in the movie is. I think that in the 3rd movie a couple of years will go by and the penguin will be the bad guy.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 23, 2008 17:49:14 GMT -5
I swear, one of my favorite little lines got completely overshadowed. It happened at the very beginning of the movie, so it's not like I'm shocked about that. ^-^ Multiple Batmen: We only wanted to help you! Batman: I don't need help. Scarecrow: -crooked grin- Not by my diagnosis. For some reason I just loved that. Yeah, that was the first REALLY great line of the film, and it's great that Murphy actually came back to reprise his part.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 23, 2008 18:35:11 GMT -5
Just remember Joker isn't a monster, he is just ahead of the curve.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 23, 2008 18:37:14 GMT -5
Best line was by Joker when asking why it mattered what time it was: 'depending on what time it is, he is either in one place or several.'
I also loved Jokers' extremely awkward 'Hiiiiiiiii' to harvey at the hospital. It was sort of like a 'I've bumped into my ex girlfirend while out with my new girlfreind' type of Hi.
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Joie De Vivre
Hank Scorpio
There's always next year.
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Jul 23, 2008 18:53:58 GMT -5
I still believe!!!!
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 23, 2008 19:01:11 GMT -5
You know, I never thought Heath Ledger was hot despite his heatthrob status. But he's oddly appealling when dressed up as the joker.
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Joie De Vivre
Hank Scorpio
There's always next year.
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Jul 23, 2008 19:02:49 GMT -5
My sister said the same thing. That was one of her favorite parts of the film lol.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 20:22:01 GMT -5
Ok....forgive me for my lateness to the par-tayyy.....but I just went and saw this today and....my mind is blown.
My rundown is as follows:
WATCHMEN trailer: Phenominal. Manhattan vaporizing that soldier was BEAUTIFUL. And *AHEM* the shot of Rorschach's mask "smiling" really stole the trailer. He will be the next big "cult" figure....mark my words.
THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL: Could be all right despite Keanu.
QUANTUM OF SOLACE: What a great, dour film to have a trailer before TDK....all I could think about during this trailer was Joker doing his "Why so SERIOUS?" line. Bond is pissed this time around....let's hope he doesn't run and cry in the shower again. Pussy.
THE SPIRIT: Frank Miller has taken Will Eisner's concept and put his own spin on it. The chicks are going to be hotter than hell itself....but it seems to me like Miller is making this too much like SIN CITY 2 instead of Eisner's SPIRIT. We'll see.
TERMINATOR: SALVATION: Eeeeeh. Bale will be badass as John Connor, and I liked the Terminator theme being worked into the radio static.....but I am not feeling this one bit at all.
*And then, the film starts, and I am blown right the f*** out of my seat by Heath Ledger from the get go. William Fichtner's cameo was pretty awesome, but I think I'm the only one in the theater who knew who he was. Ledger's Joker is just a juggernaut on screen....ripping through anyone else who dares try and share the screen with him. All of the Oscar talk for him is EVERY BIT deserved....but I say that he gets one for BEST ACTOR not Supporting....which should, by all means go to Aaron Eckhart. I'll say this right now, too. Nolan should get a nod for Best Director, as well.
*Jim Gordon's death scene was brilliantly done, and I'll admit, I fell for it. I really did think they had offed him.
*For a second, I thought Bullock and Montoya had made cameos.....but sadly, that wasn't the case. I've always dug Renee Montoya, and would have liked to have seen her make the film series.
*Someone asked what Rachel was about to say to Harvey before she went KABOOM.....and I think she was about to tell him she was pregnant. Dent tells Gordon at the end that he has brought Gordon to "where my family died"......which I took to mean that he somehow found out she was with child (maybe got the autopsy records?).
*The ferry situation was a very nice, tense way to have a "Mexican Standoff" between Batman and the Joker, without the use of handguns by either man. Not to mention that it showed a brilliance on Nolan's part....since he was building tension in the film using scenes that didn't feature either main character...but rather dozens of extras....who still made you care about them.
*I loved the way that Joker got the last laugh.....literally. He took everything away from Batman....right down to his "heroic" image.
*Is Two Face dead? I hardly think so. I think Harvey Dent is dead.....but Two Face lives on in a Valium haze in the depths of Arkham Asylum....where he is soon to be joined by Joker, and Scarecrow.
Who will the next Bat-villain be? Hard to say for sure, but given that Nolan likes to keep things realistic...I'd say guys like Zzazz, or Bane are a good bet. Neither man needs any special effects to be brought to life on the big screen....and they're both "realistic" psychos that could prove to be a foil for the Dark Knight....as could Riddler, in a Zodiac type of way.
All in all, I was totally impressed by this film....which now goes into my all time favorite movies list.
If you haven't yet.....GO SEE THIS MOVIE! It's one of the best you're likely to see all year.
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The Lodger
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Post by The Lodger on Jul 23, 2008 21:27:36 GMT -5
Alot of people have said they'd love to see the Riddler in a Zodiac type role, but I just don't see it, for a couple of reasons.
1. Riddler is not a psychopath, he kills when he HAS to, but for the most part he'd rather have them alive so that he could show them how smart he is.
2. The Zodiac comparison is not the best comparison, The Zodiac's killings were random and spontaneous, and he sent notes to the cops to screw with them, and try to throw them off. If Riddler were to go on a killing spree, it would be very precise pattern that he would challenge the cops to figure out.
Now I see Riddler as a blackmailer, who figures out that Batman is not the criminal, and Harvey Dent is indeed alive in the form of Two Face. Extortions, ransoms and robberies, that's The Riddler's forte. Killing is something I don't see the Riddler having fun doing.
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Post by Sickfit, King Of The Fits on Jul 23, 2008 21:35:16 GMT -5
After seeing it again, I've realized that my favorite part has to be Joker walking out of the hospital. He looks like a retarded five year old girl and it makes me laugh so hard.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 21:44:48 GMT -5
After seeing it again, I've realized that my favorite part has to be Joker walking out of the hospital. He looks like a retarded five year old girl and it makes me laugh so hard. The little skipping motion he does....and the bit with the detonator....were classic.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 23, 2008 21:45:29 GMT -5
Alot of people have said they'd love to see the Riddler in a Zodiac type role, but I just don't see it, for a couple of reasons. 1. Riddler is not a psychopath, he kills when he HAS to, but for the most part he'd rather have them alive so that he could show them how smart he is. 2. The Zodiac comparison is not the best comparison, The Zodiac's killings were random and spontaneous, and he sent notes to the cops to screw with them, and try to throw them off. If Riddler were to go on a killing spree, it would be very precise pattern that he would challenge the cops to figure out. Now I see Riddler as a blackmailer, who figures out that Batman is not the criminal, and Harvey Dent is indeed alive in the form of Two Face. Extortions, ransoms and robberies, that's The Riddler's forte. Killing is something I don't see the Riddler having fun doing. Thank you! Everytime I hear about people wanting Riddler to be a Zodiac Killer I cry a little on the inside. Your idea sounds the best to me!
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 23, 2008 21:53:43 GMT -5
I've never really liked the Riddler. I hope the next guy isn't him.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 21:55:12 GMT -5
Going with that, then....does Riddler break Wayne Enterprises? Exactly how much is keeping the secret of Harvey Dent worth to Bruce Wayne?
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Millie D
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Post by Millie D on Jul 23, 2008 22:00:54 GMT -5
*Someone asked what Rachel was about to say to Harvey before she went KABOOM.....and I think she was about to tell him she was pregnant. Dent tells Gordon at the end that he has brought Gordon to "where my family died"......which I took to mean that he somehow found out she was with child (maybe got the autopsy records?)
OMG! I just thought YOU might be right!
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 22:07:30 GMT -5
*Someone asked what Rachel was about to say to Harvey before she went KABOOM.....and I think she was about to tell him she was pregnant. Dent tells Gordon at the end that he has brought Gordon to "where my family died"......which I took to mean that he somehow found out she was with child (maybe got the autopsy records?)OMG! I just thought YOU might be right! Just a theory....but I thought that particular piece of dialogue was either a mistake, or meant to convey just what I stated there...I'd like it if that gets brought up in the commentary track on the DVD. Also, "BILLIONAIRE ABSCONDS WITH ENTIRE BALLETTE" made me laugh out loud...and then the sight of Alfred Pennyworth, alone on the yacht with all of those ballerinas....AWESOME. He might be old....but Alfred is not THAT old, LOL!
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Post by macdaddysquid on Jul 23, 2008 22:11:52 GMT -5
I still believe!!!! He stole the movie. I loved Joker but Eckhart was better.
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Post by tap on Jul 23, 2008 22:16:27 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts:
Not to troll in this thread (since I made my viewpoint on TDK well-known), but having seen some clips that "somehow" ended up on Youtube, I've warmed up to it a bit. The pencil trick (obviously), the interrogation scene, Joker and Two-Face in the hospital, Two-Face and Maroni, and the ending with the Joker. I still think it's incredibly overrated, but there are some really great scenes wedged in between some ludicrous plot (the amount of by-chance precision boggles the mind).
I still think the whole Two-Face ending would have been saved for a third film. This is how I would have written Two-Face into the third film:
Joker fails to blow up the boats. Batman wins. BUT, Joker has Harvey as his ace in the whole. It gets out Dent escaped from the hospital and killed some people. Gotham despairs. Mayor Garcia and Commissioner Gordon have a press conference asking Harvey to turn himself in, and if he doesn't, for the Batman to stop him, even though the city previously was ready to hand him over to the Joker.
Credits.
Third film:
Two-Face takes control of Gotham's remaining mob, working with an unseen weapons dealer, flooding the streets with guns, violence, and murder. He vows to keep this assault on the city unless Mayor Garcia or Commissioner Gordon hand over the Joker.
Hidden in darkness at Arkham Joker cameo.
Two-Face attempts to kill Mayor Garcia at City Hall and takes Gordon's family hostage. Plays out just like the end of The Dark Knight. Batman stops him. Two-Face is arrested.
Bruce Wayne offers to pay for Dent's mental and physical rehabilitation. Wayne and Dent become close friends, grieving over the loss of Rachel.
Dent turns a corner, and agrees for facial reconstruction surgery. He gets kidnapped, and taken to the marina where Two-Face's thugs are bringing in their largest weapon supply ever.
Turns out Two-Face kidnapped himself. Batman and Two-Face fight atop a building in construction. Somehow, Batman is hanging for his life off a beam. Two-Face flips a coin. Batman, knowing Dent's weakness, throws a pile of silver dollars into the air. Reaching for all the coins, Two-Face falls to his death.
Batman mourns. Gotham blame Batman for Dent's death. Cue up the image of Gordon smashing the Batsignal. Gordon, off the books, works with Batman, telling him they have a lead on the mysterious arms dealer. Turns out his street name is the Penguin, who is like the Penguin from the 90s cartoon (a combination of the Burgess Meridith and Danny Devito look).
Fourth film: Batman causes trouble for the Penguin. Penguin hires a former prisoner who underwent military experiments, Bane. Bane and Batman have a big fight at a cryogenic plant. Some explosions, some scientists were injured, including Victor Fries. I haven't worked out an ending yet, but it leaves a lot of room for a fifth film.
SO. I don't know if anyone likes it. With the Two-Face story, I was combining his origin episode from the animated series and the episode "Second Chance." I was aiming for the repetition of scenes (killing the mayor, bringing back the Joker) to be how the Godfather films have that same structure, layering the conflicts of Corleones while expanding upon their history and tragedy. Two-Face should be Greek tragedy, and like I said in the last TDK thread, I felt it was just "tragedy by numbers." Calling it "Batman: Knightfall" would be cool, although too evocative of the Bane storyline from the comics.
Does anyone like this idea?
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