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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 22:22:25 GMT -5
If he's hanging on for dear life, how does Batman throw a pile of coins in the air? And hasn't it been established that TwoFace would just shoot someone if his coin gets hijacked?
Otherwise....not bad at ALL.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 23, 2008 22:31:40 GMT -5
My only problem with that storyline is it's a WHOLE LOT of been there done that. It plays out almost exactly like the couple of episodes from TAS and the Two-Face dying by reaching for coins is just like the end of Forever.
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Post by The Lodger on Jul 23, 2008 22:48:51 GMT -5
Yeah a little crowded there, Penguin, Bane and Freeze in one film.
I don't think Bane should be introduced as a thug for hire right off the bat, I mean he's the guy who broke the Bat. After the Knightfall, Bane does work for hire, but he works for Lex Luthor! Penguin is chump change to Bane. Bane is too smart to be simply hired by someone like the Penguin. Bane needs to initiate things on his own, that's what makes him Bane as opposed to just another muscle guy.
I think the sentiment is good as far as spreading out the Two Face angle though.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 23, 2008 22:53:32 GMT -5
Yeah I am not liking it. And really it belittles What Eckhart did with the character, he died a tragic figure, let it stay at that.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 22:58:19 GMT -5
Yeah I am not liking it. And really it belittles What Eckhart did with the character, he died a tragic figure, let it stay at that. I......don't think he's dead.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 23, 2008 23:01:44 GMT -5
I hope he is. Just for the way they did the plotwise. TwoFace is probably my favorite Batvillain, but the end of Dark Knight was too good to go back and go 'nope he's not dead'.
If there's not Harvey persona, Two-Face isn't a compelling villain, he's just a dude with a scarred face.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 23, 2008 23:05:49 GMT -5
I hope he is. Just for the way they did the plotwise. TwoFace is probably my favorite Batvillain, but the end of Dark Knight was too good to go back and go 'nope he's not dead'. If there's not Harvey persona, Two-Face isn't a compelling villain, he's just a dude with a scarred face. Who said anything about him not having both sides of his persona? He'd still have em both up there in his head....just "Harvey Dent" would be publicly dead....though Harvey "Two Face" Dent would be alive and secure in Arkham. What would you think of using Zzazz in the third film? Played by someone like Ed Norton, I think he could be every bit the freight train Ledger's Joker was, if not more so, since Zzazz just....he doesn't give a f***. He kills kids just to hear them scream...
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Post by The Lodger on Jul 23, 2008 23:06:05 GMT -5
I hope he is. Just for the way they did the plotwise. TwoFace is probably my favorite Batvillain, but the end of Dark Knight was too good to go back and go 'nope he's not dead'. If there's not Harvey persona, Two-Face isn't a compelling villain, he's just a dude with a scarred face. I agree with Two Face without Harvey is no Two Face, but I think you can pull a successful plot out of The Dark Knight with Two Face still alive. What? Oh I don't know how? Um ask Chris Nolan.
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Post by THE Dinobot on Jul 23, 2008 23:06:45 GMT -5
I hope he is. Just for the way they did the plotwise. TwoFace is probably my favorite Batvillain, but the end of Dark Knight was too good to go back and go 'nope he's not dead'. If there's not Harvey persona, Two-Face isn't a compelling villain, he's just a dude with a scarred face. You know, reading that all wrong, I had the vision that in the third movie Two-Face is still alive and evil-ish and the Harvey side is all deceased and turning white, and it's totally gross. Maybe I shouldn't have thoughts.
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Post by The Lodger on Jul 23, 2008 23:07:24 GMT -5
I hope he is. Just for the way they did the plotwise. TwoFace is probably my favorite Batvillain, but the end of Dark Knight was too good to go back and go 'nope he's not dead'. If there's not Harvey persona, Two-Face isn't a compelling villain, he's just a dude with a scarred face. Who said anything about him not having both sides of his persona? He'd still have em both up there in his head....just "Harvey Dent" would be publicly dead....though Harvey "Two Face" Dent would be alive and secure in Arkham. What would you think of using Zzazz in the third film? Played by someone like Ed Norton, I think he could be every bit the freight train Ledger's Joker was, if not more so, since Zzazz just....he doesn't give a smurf. He kills kids just to hear them scream... Zzazz is a really cool character but not a main one, plus he appears in the first one. He's great one time threat, but I don't think a whole movie about him would be a good move.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 23, 2008 23:08:09 GMT -5
I hope he is. Just for the way they did the plotwise. TwoFace is probably my favorite Batvillain, but the end of Dark Knight was too good to go back and go 'nope he's not dead'. If there's not Harvey persona, Two-Face isn't a compelling villain, he's just a dude with a scarred face. Who said anything about him not having both sides of his persona? He'd still have em both up there in his head....just "Harvey Dent" would be publicly dead....though Harvey "Two Face" Dent would be alive and secure in Arkham. What would you think of using Zzazz in the third film? Played by someone like Ed Norton, I think he could be every bit the freight train Ledger's Joker was, if not more so, since Zzazz just....he doesn't give a smurf. He kills kids just to hear them scream... I thought I saw someone mention earlier that maybe Harvey is just dead. Maybe I dreamed it. Zsasz could be cool I guess, if nothing else since he's already made a cameo. I've never been a fan though honestly.
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Post by Brother Coyote on Jul 24, 2008 0:00:52 GMT -5
Who is Zsasz? was I just nit paying attention?
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 24, 2008 0:02:09 GMT -5
Zsasz is a killer in the comics that tallies his kills. He had a cameo in Batman Begins as the mob killer that Dr. Crane was getting trasnfered to Arkham as opposed to put in prison.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 24, 2008 0:03:13 GMT -5
Who is Zsasz? was I just nit paying attention? In the comics he's a serial killer who marks himself for everyone he's killed, so he's covered in scars. He's not a real major villain or anything, but he's made a few appearances. In Batman Begins there's an Arkham inmate who's called Zsasz, kinda a nod to the comic contingent, nice lil wink to the fans. So there is a precedent for having him in a flick if they so choose.
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 24, 2008 0:04:08 GMT -5
Zsasz is a killer in the comics that tallies his kills. He had a cameo in Batman Begins as the mob killer that Dr. Crane was getting trasnfered to Arkham as opposed to put in prison. He tallies them.....all over his BODY:
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jul 24, 2008 1:04:37 GMT -5
How about for the 3rd film they jump ahead and just do Dark Knight Returns.
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Post by Banjo Is Broken on Jul 24, 2008 1:10:59 GMT -5
How about for the 3rd film they jump ahead and just do Dark Knight Returns. You mean the novel? I dunno. I like the idea, but a lot of it is based around the fact that Batman is old and vulnerable. Do they really wanna jump that far ahead?
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Post by Rorschach on Jul 24, 2008 1:22:01 GMT -5
How about for the 3rd film they jump ahead and just do Dark Knight Returns. You mean the novel? I dunno. I like the idea, but a lot of it is based around the fact that Batman is old and vulnerable. Do they really wanna jump that far ahead? Not to mention....some of the stuff in there would DEFINITELY garner an R rating. Especially the way the Joker is done in....
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Post by The Lodger on Jul 24, 2008 1:23:11 GMT -5
I'd rather see Knightfall, No Man's Land, and Death in the Family before Dark Knight Returns.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 24, 2008 1:24:09 GMT -5
No, I if they made a Dark Knight Returns movie it needs to be a one-shot thing. Not part of the main series continuity.
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