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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2008 13:45:42 GMT -5
Yeah see that worked as it was showing the duality of the character, and how his mind was completely changed due to the accident and loss of Rachael. Two-Face: [showing the unscarred side] You live. The Joker: Mm-hm. Two-Face: [showing the scarred side] You die. The Joker: Now you're talking! The entire hospital scene was probably my favorite scene in the movie. From The Joker appearing in his nurse uniform, to this part, to the malfunctioning detonator. The malfunctioning detonator was awesome and Joker's reactions to it.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 13:46:52 GMT -5
Same here. I really could have lived with a Joker/Two Face buddy flick.
Also, I realized the best way to do a trilogy would be to just be Joker vs Batman for 3 movies with other villains mixed in. Do it like the star wars trilogy where the bad guys cleanly win one.
And as an homage to the comics give them the names: Batman: The Killing Joke Batman:The Man who Laughs Batman: The Last Laugh
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2008 13:48:42 GMT -5
Same here. I really could have lived with a Joker/Two Face buddy flick. Also, I realized the best way to do a trilogy would be to just be Joker vs Batman for 3 movies with other villains mixed in. Do it like the star wars trilogy where the bad guys cleanly win one. And as an homage to the comics give them the names: Batman: The Killing Joke Batman:The Man who Laughs Batman: The Last Laugh I know we would want that, but I doubt we are going to get another Joker as far as Christopher Nolan is concerned.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 13:49:48 GMT -5
Oh that plan was out the door already, I think. But they could possibly make it so the Joker is a Legacy, and Heath's passed it down to another, so long as it isn't supposed to be the same guy I think another Joker can work.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 13:58:40 GMT -5
I still think they could re-cast Joker and make it work.
People are saying the same thing about a new Joker now, that they said about Heath when he was cast. Everyone bitched about how Heath sucked and the movie would suck and no one could ever touch Nicholson's Joker.
A year ago all these fans wouldn't dare go against Nicholson and champion Heath. Well what happened?
Heath rocked it is what happened.
And the same thing can happen again. Heath isn't the only one able to be a great actor. I am by no means belittling his performance. I am saying however, that his performance is not some kind of unatainable mecca. Just because he died (RIP Heath) doesn't mean no one else can play a great Joker.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2008 14:01:29 GMT -5
I definately dont think that the Joker will be in the third movie.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 26, 2008 14:08:46 GMT -5
The Joker almost needs to be a presence in future movies. He is Batman's ultimate rival, and his ultimate threat. Besides which, he was made into such a threat, such a destructive force, that it'll be hard to bring in a new villain who can match him. Not that Joker should be the "main" villain for future flicks, but his presence needs to be felt in some ways, almost like Hannibal Lecter, before they decided to ruin him.
He can certainly be re-cast. Great roles occur all the time on stage and film, and are recast as time passes. Ledger defined the role, but that doesn't mean someone else can't do it justice.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2008 14:22:48 GMT -5
The Joker almost needs to be a presence in future movies. He is Batman's ultimate rival, and his ultimate threat. Besides which, he was made into such a threat, such a destructive force, that it'll be hard to bring in a new villain who can match him. Not that Joker should be the "main" villain for future flicks, but his presence needs to be felt in some ways, almost like Hannibal Lecter, before they decided to ruin him. He can certainly be re-cast. Great roles occur all the time on stage and film, and are recast as time passes. Ledger defined the role, but that doesn't mean someone else can't do it justice. Maybe.....but my idea is to wait for Joker to officially return in the fourth one. Allow Arkham to keep Joker locked up for one movie, but he can escape next time.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 14:39:55 GMT -5
I agree with that Seth. I wouldn't mind a Joker cameo in the next, to remind us he is in fact still there, but I don't want Joker being the full on villain again till at least the 4th.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Jul 26, 2008 15:03:53 GMT -5
the only issue about heath's joker to me was the chicago accent he put on.
I, being from chicago, didn't really notice it till michael phillips pointed it out. kinda makes you think that the joker would be in those super fan segments...
you can thank me later for putting that image in your head.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 15:27:28 GMT -5
Eh.. I don't see it, or in this case, hear it.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 15:36:32 GMT -5
It was there. I didn't even notice because it sounds right to me. That is the best way to tell a midwest accent it is really flat.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 15:39:51 GMT -5
I mean I noticed he has an "accent" but I thought he was going for more "crazy" rather than "Chicago".
Kind of how when people try to talk funny and give themselves a funny sounding "accent" when they speak.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 15:43:44 GMT -5
Ever been to Chicago? Every one in that city is freaking insane.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 15:46:33 GMT -5
No I never been to Chicago. Really don't have any intentions to go. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but huge cities have never been my thing.
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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2008 15:46:40 GMT -5
well, most of "gotham city" was actually Chicago, so maybe it was accidental
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 15:52:21 GMT -5
No I never been to Chicago. Really don't have any intentions to go. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but huge cities have never been my thing. I hate big cities, they make me homicidal. Most was filmed in Chi, which probably does explain it. THat was actually one of my bigger problems with the movie, it was too noticeably Chicago. Which isn't huge on the Gothic architecture that Gotham should have.
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Post by Supersmark is a Troll on Jul 26, 2008 16:04:21 GMT -5
No I never been to Chicago. Really don't have any intentions to go. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but huge cities have never been my thing. I hate big cities, they make me homicidal. Most was filmed in Chi, which probably does explain it. THat was actually one of my bigger problems with the movie, it was too noticeably Chicago. Which isn't huge on the Gothic architecture that Gotham should have. The Illinois license plate points that out.
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Post by Jam on Jul 26, 2008 16:05:25 GMT -5
I'm going to see it again tonight. I can't even remember the last time I went to see the same movie at the theater twice.
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Post by tap on Jul 26, 2008 16:56:32 GMT -5
No I never been to Chicago. Really don't have any intentions to go. Not trying to sound like a jerk, but huge cities have never been my thing. I hate big cities, they make me homicidal. Most was filmed in Chi, which probably does explain it. THat was actually one of my bigger problems with the movie, it was too noticeably Chicago. Which isn't huge on the Gothic architecture that Gotham should have. It's weird, to me anyway, that Gotham in The Dark Knight functions as Any City, U.S.A. (as it should, I think, given that Gotham and Metropolis are widely American), but at the same time is so removed from the interesting aspect of the city as an oppressive force instead becomes a rather bland canvas (compared to something like Dark City by way of Fritz Lang's Metropolis). And the fact that I have this viewpoint given how I feel the brown tint to Batman Begins in the second half of the film only works in small doses. Not like I'm clamouring for Burton's Batman architecture, which I do I like, but it's TOO baroque (is such a thing possible?) for Batman. And Schumacher just took it to an absurd level (the faux Statue of Liberty Robin rides in B&R). All in all, it's hit and miss for me.
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