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Post by BHB on Jul 26, 2008 5:18:09 GMT -5
I liked it but there are a few things I had a problem with:
- If Two-face really is dead, he was wasted. His part, although very very good, should have been saved for the next movie.
- It was never shown what happened to Joker. We are just left to assume he's in Arkham, but all it would have taken is a 20 second scene of him being locked up to confirm it (Just a small point but would have helped).
- Gotham didn't really feel the same as it did in the first film to me, it felt more like a generic big city like New York than Gotham to me.
- I don't like Maggie Gylenhall, I think she's ugly (just personal preference). I understand that they couldn't get Katie Homes back but if they did, the film would have been that little bit better for me. Still, anyone would have been better than Maggie IMO.
- It was far too scary and intense for a 12a IMO (not a problem with the film, just with the rating really). While cool, the film was just a little much for a batman movie really. Batman Begins struck a nice balance between realistic, intense but also fun.
- They made it so intense and hyper real that I can't really see any of Batman's rogues gallery being within this universe and being taken seriously.
- The Joker such a huge threat in this one that I don't think any other villian in later films can really come close as a threat.
- Although it makes sense to the story, I didn't really like Batman becoming a public enemy at the end, just doesn't sit right with me (we'll just have to see what they do with it for the next film really).
EDIT: - I think that Joker was a bit too invincible, I mean he easily escaped from every situation in which he should have really been caught/killed.
- It also seemed that even Batman couldn't beat him, and he made Bats look weak because of this.
Still, there were a lot of awesome things about it, such as pretty much any time Batman was fighting, that was smurfing fantastic, as well as Heath's general performance. I still prefer Begins though really.
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Post by Ricky Ruckus on Jul 26, 2008 6:00:20 GMT -5
heath ledger was actually my favorite actor before this movie. and when i heard he was going to be the joker i was kinda skeptical. i just couldnt picture it. then i actually saw pictures and i was like...ya, he is gonna be good. but after seeing it...i cant believe how good he was. i honestly think that was the best acting performance i have ever seen in a movie. two face was good, bale was good as batman but for me, joker was the movie. unfortunately i came away with more of a sad feeling after the movie was over. not only from a personal standpoint of, he's dead and he wont be around for his family and friends which is obviously the more important thing, but from a purely selfish standpoint (from me) that he will never again be the joker onscreen which i can say, i think he did better than anyone has or will ever be able to do again. it was truly remarkable and anyone who is "waiting' to watch this movie is gonna want to kick their own ass if they dont see it before its out of the theaters. its that good.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Jul 26, 2008 6:52:44 GMT -5
- It was never shown what happened to Joker. We are just left to assume he's in Arkham, but all it would have taken is a 20 second scene of him being locked up to confirm it (Just a small point but would have helped). I agree. I think a shot with him laughing his ass off in a padded room with a straight jacket would've been $TEXAS.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 26, 2008 10:45:07 GMT -5
- I don't like Maggie Gylenhall, I think she's ugly (just personal preference). I understand that they couldn't get Katie Homes back but if they did, the film would have been that little bit better for me. Still, anyone would have been better than Maggie IMO. If Katie Holmes had returned it would have been a major flaw in the movie. Ask most people what their problems with batman begins were, and her name is usually top of the list.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Jul 26, 2008 11:21:00 GMT -5
This is the only time i'll be in here till I see it but how long is this movie since i'm probably gonna see it tomorrow night before I hit the dance floor.
Also I dont remember jack about the 1st one but picked it up for $10 because it had a Dark Knight coupon in it so is it a necessity that I watch begins before I view TDK
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Post by BHB on Jul 26, 2008 11:38:55 GMT -5
At least she was much easier on the eye and there would be more continuity.
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Post by rrm15 on Jul 26, 2008 11:45:25 GMT -5
Official run time I think is like 2 hours and 32 minutes. Around there. You won't even notice it though, believe me.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 26, 2008 11:56:10 GMT -5
At least she was much easier on the eye and there would be more continuity. I don't know. I think a lot of good roles have been ruined because people cast a gorgeous actress who couldn't act.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 12:17:40 GMT -5
See I enjoy the part where Maggie can act, and Katie can't, unless it is with the Dawson. And I find Maggie more attractive anyway, but for a movie role like this, looks not so important. Believing she is a ADA, very important. Never bought Homes as a legal type.
Gotham really wasn't very Gothic this time, and I do think it hurt.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 12:20:58 GMT -5
I think the role suits Maggie much better as well. First of all, she's a WAY better actress. Second of all, between the lack of acting talent and the looks of Holmes it's hard to buy her as a DA.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 12:40:55 GMT -5
It is hard to buy Holmes as much of anything, maybe she could be a puppet, maybe.
On the second viewing, one thing did bug the hell out of me , everything is so damned convenient, everything was exactly how it needed to be, and it was kind of irritating.
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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2008 12:44:32 GMT -5
And in other news, TDK, if everything stays consistant, pass Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets, Shrek, and Meet the Fockers as soon as tonight to become #36 on the alltime domestic box offices.
Here are all the ones I consider "within reach" for the weekend.
39.The Dark Knight-$261.7 Mil 38.HP:CoS-$261.9 Mil 37.Shrek-$267.6 Mil 36.Meet the Fockers-$279.2 Mil 35.Matrix:Reloaded-$281.5 Mil 34.Home Alone-$285.7 Mil 33.Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire-$290 Mil 32.Empire Strikes Back-$290.4 Mil 31.Chronicles of Narnia:tLtWatW-$291.7 Mil 30.Harry Potter:Order of the Phoenix-$292 Mil 29. The Sixth Sense-$293.5 Mil
A lot of big movies there, and by this time next week, this list of movies they should pass grows even longer.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 12:47:03 GMT -5
Duke, TDK will be at about 315 after the weekend.
So these are within reach as well:
21 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $314,776,170 22 Iron Man $314,615,301 23 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull $313,075,911 24 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones $310,676,740 25 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $309,420,425 26 Return of the Jedi $309,306,177 27 Independence Day $306,169,268 28 Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl $305,413,918 2003
After this weekend it may very well end up being number 20 on the all time domestic list.
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Post by CrazySting on Jul 26, 2008 12:53:07 GMT -5
It is hard to buy Holmes as much of anything, maybe she could be a puppet, maybe. On the second viewing, one thing did bug the hell out of me , everything is so damned convenient, everything was exactly how it needed to be, and it was kind of irritating. I found Harvey not killing the Joker when he had the chance very odd. I know he tried to justify it later, by claiming Joker was a rabid dog, and he wanted to kill the people who unleashed him rather than him, but it still seemed weird he wouldn't kill the guy who wrecked his life.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jul 26, 2008 12:55:41 GMT -5
He flipped the coin. The coin decided all!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2008 12:56:07 GMT -5
It is hard to buy Holmes as much of anything, maybe she could be a puppet, maybe. On the second viewing, one thing did bug the hell out of me , everything is so damned convenient, everything was exactly how it needed to be, and it was kind of irritating. I found Harvey not killing the Joker when he had the chance very odd. I know he tried to justify it later, by claiming Joker was a rabid dog, and he wanted to kill the people who unleashed him rather than him, but it still seemed weird he wouldn't kill the guy who wrecked his life. Two Words......Coin Flip
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jul 26, 2008 12:57:40 GMT -5
Yeah see that worked as it was showing the duality of the character, and how his mind was completely changed due to the accident and loss of Rachael.
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Post by livetowin on Jul 26, 2008 13:18:07 GMT -5
Has anyone even spoken of the greatness of Tony "Tiny" Lister yet? Alias also known as....ZEUS?
Without him, the Joker would have won! He saved the day!
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Post by paragon on Jul 26, 2008 13:42:57 GMT -5
Yeah see that worked as it was showing the duality of the character, and how his mind was completely changed due to the accident and loss of Rachael. Two-Face: [showing the unscarred side] You live. The Joker: Mm-hm. Two-Face: [showing the scarred side] You die. The Joker: Now you're talking! The entire hospital scene was probably my favorite scene in the movie. From The Joker appearing in his nurse uniform, to this part, to the malfunctioning detonator.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jul 26, 2008 13:44:52 GMT -5
Has anyone even spoken of the greatness of Tony "Tiny" Lister yet? Alias also known as....ZEUS? Without him, the Joker would have won! He saved the day! Suprising thing for me was Tiny Lister can act in a serious role. Normally, people want to see him being overact in a comedy, but he can seriously act.
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