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Post by andrew8798 on Sept 23, 2008 17:07:59 GMT -5
From the Main Event
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What did everybody think of the way they got the belt off Hogan?
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 23, 2008 22:10:07 GMT -5
I think it was really weak. Why not have MDM win the belt clean? I've head people say that the angle worked for the character but I doubt the character would have lost heat had he actually pinned Hogan.
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Sept 24, 2008 9:07:20 GMT -5
At the time, it made sense and got M$M a ton of heat. In retrospect, it looks like Hogan not wanting to job again.
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Post by Aceorton on Sept 24, 2008 13:15:28 GMT -5
I think it was really weak. Why not have MDM win the belt clean? I've head people say that the angle worked for the character but I doubt the character would have lost heat had he actually pinned Hogan. Hogan had been booked as a giant slayer for years. Studd, Bundy, Kamala, Andre, plus the best of the "smaller" guys: Savage, Orndorff, Harley Race ... he beat them all. DiBiase pinning him clean in '88 would have been a colossal WTF moment, and not in a good way. It realistically had to be something shady, or else Hogan, the big money generator, would have appeared suddenly and dramatically weak. It also would've undercut the very essence of the Million Dollar Man, which was "I get everything because I'm rich and not because I truly deserve it." I thought this angle was fun and creative, but looking back, I would have preferred they kept Andre at ringside as a "bodyguard" and had DiBiase personally beat Hogan using the evil twin ref. I never quite believed that Andre would just hand the belt to DiBiase after making such a big stink about becoming the champion himself. (And, of course, the match would have been much better.) |
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Post by scifi1980 on Sept 24, 2008 13:52:17 GMT -5
Even though the record books show I still don't consider Andre as ever holding the world title. I look at it in the same fashion as how they don't acknowledge David Flair as ever holding the US belt.
If Andre had held the title and not given it to Dibiasie then I would call him a champ. But he won it in shady fashion then immediatley gave it away.
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Post by Mac on Sept 24, 2008 15:19:31 GMT -5
Dibiase could have won with outside interference from Andre, Virgil and the Hebner switch. Hell even make Hogan kick out after 1 if you want it to look more like Hogan got screwed. I wouldnt see anything wrong with taking your most pompous heel and giving him something to brag about. Then they could have ditched that abortion that was the WM 4 tournement.
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Post by Aceorton on Sept 24, 2008 17:59:50 GMT -5
Dibiase could have won with outside interference from Andre, Virgil and the Hebner switch. Hell even make Hogan kick out after 1 if you want it to look more like Hogan got screwed. I wouldnt see anything wrong with taking your most pompous heel and giving him something to brag about. Then they could have ditched that abortion that was the WM 4 tournement. I thought the tournament was well-intentioned ... just overbooked. DiBiase could have been stripped of the belt heading into WM4 as a result of the Hebner hijinks. Then they do a less-cumbersome 6-man tournament for the vacant title. For example: QuarterfinalsDiBiase vs. Bam Bam Bigelow Savage vs. Steamboat (or more likely Rick Rude) Hogan bye Andre bye SemifinalsHogan vs. Andre DiBiase vs. Savage FinalsEither Savage vs. Andre (with Savage winning) or DiBiase vs. Hogan (with DiBiase winning), depending on who they wanted to carry the belt while Hogan was off making his movie. |
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Post by skillz on Sept 24, 2008 18:34:00 GMT -5
Dibiase beating Hogan clean would have been the dictionary definition of stupid and illogical. Not even in extreme smarkian hindsight does that make a lick of sense. If Dibiase were the one to pin Hogan, then it would have been through the same means (outside interference, crooked ref, etc).
I'm not sure what the plan was for this, as the HTM/Savage issue took away Dibiase's title run, but I remember reading that Dibiase was going to defend the title against Hogan at Summerslam. Whether that's true or not, who knows.
I hated the result as a kid (I was shocked/angry that Hogan lost the belt that way), but as far as the actual storyline, it was well done. Dibiase offered money to Hogan to give him the belt, which Hogan denied, so Dibiase paid off Andre and a ref to win the title without even wrestling for it. That, coupled with ending Hogan's 4-year reign, was instant heel heat and played perfectly to Dibiase's character.
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Post by boomhauer20055 on Sept 24, 2008 18:43:26 GMT -5
This was my favorite finish ever. The Hebner thing was genius and nobody guessed that coming. I marked for this big time.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 24, 2008 19:39:10 GMT -5
Dibiase could have won with outside interference from Andre, Virgil and the Hebner switch. Hell even make Hogan kick out after 1 if you want it to look more like Hogan got screwed. I wouldnt see anything wrong with taking your most pompous heel and giving him something to brag about. Then they could have ditched that abortion that was the WM 4 tournement. Yeah that would work. But it doesn't form the Mega Powers or make Savage the world champ. |
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Post by Mac on Sept 24, 2008 20:51:45 GMT -5
Dibiase could have won with outside interference from Andre, Virgil and the Hebner switch. Hell even make Hogan kick out after 1 if you want it to look more like Hogan got screwed. I wouldnt see anything wrong with taking your most pompous heel and giving him something to brag about. Then they could have ditched that abortion that was the WM 4 tournement. Yeah that would work. But it doesn't form the Mega Powers or make Savage the world champ. You can work around it. Do the "Double Main Event" thing they did for WM 8, and have Savage beat Dibiase. Not sure if its true or not, but I think the WWF needed to give Savage the belt because he was a good sport and didnt kill the Honky Tonk Man after he refused to lose the IC title to him. Savage/Dibiase wound up Main Eventing anyway, with Andre in Dibiase's corner and Hogan in Savage's it would have all just wrapped up the same way. |
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Post by thesunbeast on Sept 24, 2008 21:21:05 GMT -5
This is not "Hogan having too bog of an ego to lose" like people are forever saying about the flagships of company's. The Flagship of a company will never lose cleanly as a flagship, unless It's time to give up his flagship status. You have to keep the story going or you switch the focus on another guy. The only time it'll happen is during recent times with the internet's influence and they just want to shock people once or twice.
So Ted Dibiase could have beaten Hogan clean, sure, If WWE wanted to demote Hogan and Give Ted Dibiase his spot.
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Post by big nasty on Sept 24, 2008 23:01:24 GMT -5
yea, lets second guess one of the biggest heat generating moments in wwf history.
the crowd was absolutely livid the way hogan got robbed of the title, and the way it was handed to dibiase by andre. no outside interference, fluke win, clean win, or whatever else could have matched it.
seriously, some of you guys either didnt watch back then, or are just completely unaware of the general wrestling climate of the time. dibiase pinning hogan in any way, shape or form would have been retarded beyond comprehension.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Sept 24, 2008 23:10:02 GMT -5
Dibiase could have won with outside interference from Andre, Virgil and the Hebner switch. Hell even make Hogan kick out after 1 if you want it to look more like Hogan got screwed. I wouldnt see anything wrong with taking your most pompous heel and giving him something to brag about. Then they could have ditched that abortion that was the WM 4 tournement. This is along the lines I was thinking of. Not that Dibiase would go over clean, but that he would beat Hogan because he paid off the refs, Andre helped him, etc. It would have been the same storyline and it would have made Dibiase into a stronger heel. |
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Post by skillz on Sept 25, 2008 6:16:17 GMT -5
Dibiase could have won with outside interference from Andre, Virgil and the Hebner switch. Hell even make Hogan kick out after 1 if you want it to look more like Hogan got screwed. I wouldnt see anything wrong with taking your most pompous heel and giving him something to brag about. Then they could have ditched that abortion that was the WM 4 tournement. This is along the lines I was thinking of. Not that Dibiase would go over clean, but that he would beat Hogan because he paid off the refs, Andre helped him, etc. It would have been the same storyline and it would have made Dibiase into a stronger heel. People hated Dibiase because he was rich and looked down on others because of it. So what better way to get heat then to use that resource (money) to win a world title that he didn't even have wrestle for? Why was pinning Hogan even necessary? Dibiase got more than enough heat during this angle. It just didn't have a natural conclusion (Hogan vs. Dibiase) because Savage won the belt due to the HTM situation. |
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Post by Mac on Sept 25, 2008 11:31:43 GMT -5
This is along the lines I was thinking of. Not that Dibiase would go over clean, but that he would beat Hogan because he paid off the refs, Andre helped him, etc. It would have been the same storyline and it would have made Dibiase into a stronger heel. People hated Dibiase because he was rich and looked down on others because of it. So what better way to get heat then to use that resource (money) to win a world title that he didn't even have wrestle for? Why was pinning Hogan even necessary? Dibiase got more than enough heat during this angle. It just didn't have a natural conclusion (Hogan vs. Dibiase) because Savage won the belt due to the HTM situation. My problem with this (if its even an actual problem) was the end result of the Wrestlemania 4 tournement. I thought the tournement was weak, there was no heat, very few fueds and it came off poorly. I think it would have done Dibiase more favors had the actually seemingly beaten Hogan, even by the shadiest of standards. I get where you're coming from about Dibiase not even having to wrestle for it. |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Sept 25, 2008 12:07:05 GMT -5
This was the end of an era for the WWF after 4 years of Hogan beating everybody. They had to do some ridiculous over the top angle to get the belt off him for anybody to actually believe it. Using Andre instead of Dibiase was a good move because he was the one guy big enough to believable pull it off, even though he could barely walk at the time. Doesn't matter that Dibiase was a way better wrestler workrate meant nothing in those days, especially in the WWF main event picture. If Dibiase had cleanly pinned Hogan as a couple people suggested here that would've been the stupidest thing of all time. Hogan's ego had nothing to do with not putting Dibiase over, it just would've made no sense how he could do it.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 25, 2008 14:59:39 GMT -5
After Hogan beat Andre, NO ONE was going to beat him cleanly to end that run. Looking back, it was a nigh-on perfect angle with a crummy (WM4 tournament) payoff.
As an 8 year old Hulkamaniac watching this, I was CRUSHED.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Sept 25, 2008 15:01:45 GMT -5
As said already, Hogan was the superhero and there was no way that he was going to get beat cleanly by any heel, especially after the conquest of beating Andre. I know some smarks would've loved it, but it would've made no sense. The way they got it off him was great.
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Post by dannyrctv on Sept 28, 2008 1:06:37 GMT -5
What I hated back in those days was how on "Super Stars" the next morning they have WWF "announcer" Vince Mc Mahon tell the viewers that Presidentt Jack Tunney ordered that no one was allowed to talk about last night's championship match to which co announcer Jesse Ventura got "bleeped" on when he tried to talk about it.
Back then "Super Stars" was the syndicated flagship show.It was filmed weeks in advance. So I wonder how many dumb marks who thought the show was live noticed how the night before on NBC Jesse Ventura had no mustache but the next morning he had one on "Super Stars".
But it sucked we had to wait a whole week longer to find out what was going to happen next with Hogan getting screwed.That's one thing about the old days I don't miss!
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