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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:25:55 GMT -5
These records don't really prove anything, it actually makes my point if anything, the teams with 10+ wins are the best teams in the NFL, it's not like the Boys are 2-14
So the lowpoint of you sports fan life came during a meaningless texan vs Colts game... don't buy that
Cause you played in Robstown LOL
The Texans didn't play like crap, in fact, they played phenomenal from my prospective I'm not saying it's bad to "show emotion". It's when your feelings and expectations get the best of you and you start crying about every little thing (not you and this situation in particular, I mean in general...)
And they did just that! (texans vs colts)
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 27, 2008 2:26:33 GMT -5
y2jfan, you have to be kidding about the "It's just as good seeing your team play an exciting game as winning" thing. You have to be. I mean this with no personal offense, but if you're happy when your team loses, I really have to question if you're really a fan of that team. I mean I understand not being upset, I don't get upset over each and every loss, but being happy? Take the Carolina Panthers Sunday Night Football game with the Giants. It was a great game, we played hard but I wanted to win dammit! I would trade in DeAngelo Williams 108 yard 4 TD performance for him gaining 1 yard on 20 carries if it meant we won the game. These records don't really prove anything, it actually makes my point if anything, the teams with 10+ wins are the best teams in the NFL, it's not like the Boys are 2-14 Uhhh no. Your point was that Dallas was the best team in the NFL and that no one could factually argue that. No one here said Dallas was 2-14, or that they were the worst team in the NFL. Their neither. Everyone is saying that they aren't even close to being the best. Cause you played in Robstown LOL Uhh, most people I know and played with don't like a loss (baseball and football). It's got nothing to do with Robstown. If you are perfectly fine with losing you're not going to make it far in the world of sports.
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Post by The Wraith on Dec 27, 2008 2:36:50 GMT -5
These records don't really prove anything, it actually makes my point if anything, the teams with 10+ wins are the best teams in the NFL, it's not like the Boys are 2-14 It just proves the Cowboys AREN'T the best team in the league. The best team in the league wouldn't be going into week 17 fighting for a playoff spot. Meaningless? A division game isn't meaningless, regardless of what your opinion on it is. Yeah, I did. Never had more than 4 wins in one season while I was on the varsity team. I had fun despite that. And this past season, Robstown was in the playoffs for the first time since 1966. So things are looking good for Robstown. Prospective....perspective...same thing, I guess. I don't see anybody here crying about every little thing. 1. I said EVERY week. 2. Technically you're right, the Texans did give it their all. Everybody except Sage Rosenfels.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:42:47 GMT -5
y2jfan, you have to be kidding about the "It's just as good seeing your team play an exciting game as winning" thing. You have to be. I mean this with no personal offense, but if you're happy when you're team loses, I really have to question if you're really a fan of that team. Take the Carolina Panthers Sunday Night Football game with the Giants. It was a great game, we played hard but I wanted to win dammit! I would trade in DeAngelo Williams 108 yard 4 TD performance for him gaining 1 yard on 20 carries if it meant we won the game. I get what you're saying, I've only been this way for a few years now, however, all I used to ever care about were wins and losses much like anyone else would, but looking at everything from an un-biased standpoint can be just as fun, if not, more fun, than a biased perspective, I watched that Car/Nyg game. It was snorking amazing. And 5 snorking stars if you were a Car fan. Williams showed in that game that he is a legit MVP candidate and they owned home field. With that said, I'm a Dal/Hou fan and I thought that was the second best game of the year next to Phi/Dal. I'm not saying I don't want to see my favorite teams win, hell, that would be kinda dumb to say. but I do, however, enjoy entertainment. This is kinda hard to explain in football so I'll give you an example with Brock Lesnar... Brock fought Frank Mir in Feb in a 90 second fight and lost, but it was an amazing minute and a half, but Lesnar, my favorite fighter, lost... But 6 months later he would them redeem himself in a fight against Heath Hearing, however, it was a boring snoozefest....but he did win Point being, if I had to choose which type of fight I'd rather see, between a boring fight with my favorite fighter winning, or an entertaining one with my favorite fighter losing. I would choose the latter
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Post by H-Fist on Dec 27, 2008 2:44:41 GMT -5
You're looking at this to intently And I do believe the Cowboys are the best team in the league, it's hard to dispute that, although you can't factually prove it either way Dude I'm a Cowboy fan and the cowboys are no where close to being the best team in the league. I've said it before: If you need a win in week 17 to make the 6th seed in your conference's playoff picture, you are not the best team in football. Have wild card teams won the Super Bowl? Yes. Did the Giants win the Super Bowl last year as a 9-7 6th seed? Yes. But that doesn't make them the best, but merely the hottest at the right time. Minnesota, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, and Tampa Bay are all basically the same caliber of team. Given the North and South (sans Detroit) have had difficult conference schedules, while the Boys and Eagles have had the NFC West and Browns and Bengals to feast on, it is pretty easy to argue that Dallas' whole is far less than the supposed sum of its overrated parts. A Bears team with a WR corps and O-line that (even Olin Kreutz is over the hill, and Garza is 30 lbs too light) wouldn't crack Dallas' rotation, a gimpy Tommie Harris, a gimpy Mike Brown, a gimpy Peanut Tillman, an arthritic Brian Urlacher, a gimpy Kyle Orton, and a beat-up rookie at tailback has the same record as the Mighty Team America from Dallas. I am a diehard Bears fan. They have 5-11 talent and injuries worth 2 more losses. Yet they are three blown plays away from 12-3 and a first round bye. New England missed a step in the first couple weeks of Matt Cassel, and Indy struggled with gimpy Peyton taking snaps from Not Saturday and throwing to Grampa Marvin. But Dallas wet the bed when Romo went down, panicked into giving up a top pick for Detroit's 2nd or 3rd best offensive option with bad hands, and has to deal with the Belle of the Ball kvetching about Tony and Jason sitting in a tree. That is not a great football team. That is a mediocre-plus football team that managed, coached, and played itself down below its expectations.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 27, 2008 2:48:58 GMT -5
Fights are a little different then football, baseball, etc. There is only one champion in a year for football, one out of 32. There are not 32 world class contenders for fighting titles, and if your favorite fighter loses, he always has a chance of coming back relativaly soon and competing again. Even if not soon, he can still come back. In team sports you have one shot in a year. Peroid. Two teams at the end of the year. On top of that, even if you almost get there it is no garuntee you'll get that close again because of free agency, retiring players, losing teamwork, etc. It's not really accurate to compare a solo sport, where you can control your own fate and multiple title shots can happen in a year, to a team sport where there is only one title chance.
I can understand where YOU liked the Carolina game, hell, it WAS an entertaining game. I have no reservations about saying that. But I would trade in all the entertainment of that game for home feild advantage throughout the playoffs. As a Carolina fan, THAT'S where my real entertainment comes from. Seeing my boys walk off that field as winners.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:49:21 GMT -5
So the Cardinals are better than the pats...
We are in a new era
Cheers
Well I never said you in particular were crying about anything, but a lot of fans ( of the Texans) were after the Indy loss
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 2:56:35 GMT -5
Fights are a little different then football, baseball, etc. There is only one champion in a year for football, one out of 32. There are not 32 world class contenders for fighting titles, and if your favorite fighter loses, he always has a chance of coming back relativaly soon and competing again. Even if not soon, he can still come back. In team sports you have one shot in a year. Peroid. Two teams at the end of the year. On top of that, even if you almost get there it is no garuntee you'll get that close again because of free agency, retiring players, losing teamwork, etc. It's not really accurate to compare a solo sport, where you can control your own fate and multiple title shots can happen in a year, to a team sport where there is only one title chance. I can understand where YOU liked the Carolina game, hell, it WAS an entertaining game. I have no reservations about saying that. But I would trade in all the entertainment of that game for home feild advantage throughout the playoffs. As a Carolina fan, THAT'S where my real entertainment comes from. Seeing my boys walk off that field as winners. As far as fights/team sports, I could debate that. For example, fighters don't fight to often on a yearly basis, so if they lose the title, they will probably have to wait a good year to get their rematch (i.e. Quintin Jackson) But back on football... Well this is just a case of a difference in opinion, I'd rather watch the "crazy games" but that's just me
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 27, 2008 3:04:21 GMT -5
As far as fights/team sports, I could debate that. For example, fighters don't fight to often on a yearly basis, so if they lose the title, they will probably have to wait a good year to get their rematch (i.e. Quintin Jackson) You're picking and choosing one point, of many that I made. Even if fighters only get one title shot a year, the fact is they control their own destiny and at least have a CHANCE at another shot in that same year. They don't go through free agency and everything else I said that you seemingly ignored. I realize that. What else would this be besides a difference of opinion? I'm just saying I don't understand how anyone could be happy with a loss by their favorite team, entertaining or not. There is a difference between being entertained, yet upset and being happy. Also, I don't know why you're quoting "crazy games" either since I don't recall ever using that term. I mean I'd understand where you're coming from if you'd just say you were a fan of the game and no team in particular. But to proclaim how awesome, and great, an average team is... then go on about how losing makes you happy... that makes no sense at all. I mean, I'll be honest with you, I thought this was all a joke at first but I don't know now. I mean, last year I playfully did the same thing. I acted like last years Carolina Panthers were the best team ever proclaiming them the "REAL World's Superbowl Champions" complete with blurred out Trophy.
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Post by The Wraith on Dec 27, 2008 3:22:43 GMT -5
So y2fan, you're telling me that you were happy with the last 2 playoff games the Cowboys have been in? Both the Romo fumbled snap AND Romo INT?
Since we're out there making ludicrous claims, I'm gonna say the Houston Texans are the best team in the league! I mean, we beat the Tennessee Titans! Had Schaub not been injured, we would've had home field advantage by now!
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:30:37 GMT -5
Free agency, injury, and everything else you said play a huge part in fighting as well
Agreed. Dal vs Phi- happy / entertained; Dal vs Pit- upset. There are certainly games where I get mad, like some of the Dal ones this year, but there are also games that are different, have the same type of result, but in a completely different manner. If a team I rooting for blows the game, I'll get mad, but, if it's a competitive game throughout, I'm fine with either win/loss
"vegetable"
Dal, average? I know you didn't imply that, must be talking about the Texans...I never said losing makes me happy lol, you're putting words in my mouth, entertainment can make me happy though
Sounds like a fun gimmick lol I honestly don't remember what kind of year the Panthers had last year, but if they are like the Cowboys this year, they could be the "REAL World's Superbowl Champions" in your view, I could understand that. I've never said the Cowboys are the best team, but I do think they are up there
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:36:51 GMT -5
Ehh (trying to remember the games....) Ok, the one with the Seahawks pissed me off, we had the game won but botched the snap...that was not "entertaining", that was just sad and unfortunate. Had that been a 50 yard that hit the crossbar, I could live with
As far as the NYG, we played two close regular season games and both played a great game in the post-season, the fans were treated to a great game from both sides, nothing wrong with that game, I enjoyed watching it
Had Hou beaten the Oak Raiders, you could actually make a good argument they we were the hottest team in the league at this point, but we lost...
But what are you saying ludicrous claim is? Me liking entertaining games, or me saying the cowboys are one of the best teams?
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 27, 2008 3:38:34 GMT -5
I did imply Dallas is average because they are.
Also free angency does not impact fighting like it does team sports at all. Not even close. Fact is if you're good enough in fighting you'll get to the top, no matter who comes into the organization you fight for. In football, you can be the best player in the world but never get anywhere if all your teamates leave due to free agency.
Okay, maybe "happy" is the wrong word since you didn't particularly use that word. But you did say you'd want to watch you're team lose.
Also on Sage choking and the Texans losing:
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:44:24 GMT -5
Not really....
As far as free agency in MMA, there are a lot of places guys can fight at. There are many organizations out there
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 27, 2008 3:45:54 GMT -5
Not really.... As far as free agency in MMA, there are a lot of places guys can fight at. There are many organizations out there Yes really. Please come up with a point besides the proverbial Nuh uh and I'll believe you. And I already stated why that doesn't matter. Because it doesn't change the skill level of the person. Infact in that situation it can actually make it easier, because if they want to they can go to some crappy organization and take the title. Unlike a team sport where free agency can dictate the skill level of a team and how much of contenders they are (contender one year, sorry the next 10 possibly). Also, I hope you saw me quote you were you admitted to be quite content with losses.
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Post by The Wraith on Dec 27, 2008 3:48:00 GMT -5
Ehh (trying to remember the games....) Ok, the one with the Seahawks pissed me off, we had the game won but botched the snap...that was not "entertaining", that was just sad and unfortunate. Had that been a 50 yard that hit the crossbar, I could live with Wait a minute. How do you go from being satisfied with the Rosenfels chokejob to being pissed off about the Romo botched snap? Then again, the Romo botched snap was quite entertaining for me lol. Cowboys being one of the best. The Texans could probably beat them if they played this Sunday.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:50:31 GMT -5
That's the thing, it's all opinion, I can't convince you that they are the best team, you will just have to wait after the season to find out who is. But it's pretty much a fact that if you are a 9-11 win team you are not average. The Texans, they are average
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Dec 27, 2008 3:52:55 GMT -5
Okay, maybe I should say Dallas is a good team, not average. Because you are right, 9 wins is good. My main point behind all that, which you seem to like to defer from a lot, is they are not the best. There is no opinion in that. Just like right now, my Carolina Panthers are not the best.
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:53:07 GMT -5
Dal > Sea
Ind > Hou
We were better than the Seahawks that game. We should not have lost... Hou should not have had a chance against the Colts, they are a far superior team then us
Big difference
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Post by y2jfan on Dec 27, 2008 3:59:33 GMT -5
Ok, you agree 9 wins is good, right? then why can't they be considered as the best? Lets say for arguments sake the Boys make the playoffs and own every team and win the super bowl. Would you still not consider them the best? The Giants pretty much did that last year.
During the season, there is no definitive best team, but there are a group of elite teams, and Dallas is a part of that elite group this year
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