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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 17, 2008 23:16:53 GMT -5
Bad things happen when the score is ran up. The Bertuzzi Incident happened when the score was 9-2. You think it would have if the score was 3-2, or 2-2? Never. Seriously? You're telling me no players get injured or fight during close games? That game had so many factors going into it that something was bound to happen no matter what the score was - it was an average heated game with a freak accident. I can't even remember how many blowouts I've seen that have had nothing of interest happen, other than high scoring... Call me crazy, but if another team scores 10 goals on my team, I take it as a pretty good sign that things need to be fixed in my organization. A professional athlete doesn't suddenly become a monster because the score is high. Their job is to win, not worry about the other guy's feelings. Moore had a fight earlier in the game, while the score was still sane. However, once it got out of hand, the Bertuzzi thing happened. Listen, I know Bertuzzi didn't intend what happened and the guys jumping on Bertuzzi is at least if not more responsible for breaking Moore's neck, but NONE of that would have happened if the score was 3-2. A top-line guy doesn't go out to fight a 4th line guy. You don't go out there and purposely embarass the other team. It's not the Canadian way.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 18, 2008 0:08:32 GMT -5
When have they started explaining the reason for goal reviews? I miss the dramatic point to center or waving off. Its stupid since its obvious why something was waived off or allowed.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 18, 2008 3:45:01 GMT -5
When have they started explaining the reason for goal reviews? I miss the dramatic point to center or waving off. Its stupid since its obvious why something was waived off or allowed. Because you gotta sell the game and apparently enough people don't know the rules. Plus, it makes it more like the NFL and Americans love them some football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2008 7:37:49 GMT -5
Didn't see it cuz I had to get up early, but I see the Rangers won again in OT.
I know it's the holiday season, but they gotta stop letting the game go into OT. 6 of their last 7 victories have come from either OT or SO.
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Post by The Lodger on Dec 18, 2008 10:29:40 GMT -5
Seriously? You're telling me no players get injured or fight during close games? That game had so many factors going into it that something was bound to happen no matter what the score was - it was an average heated game with a freak accident. I can't even remember how many blowouts I've seen that have had nothing of interest happen, other than high scoring... Call me crazy, but if another team scores 10 goals on my team, I take it as a pretty good sign that things need to be fixed in my organization. A professional athlete doesn't suddenly become a monster because the score is high. Their job is to win, not worry about the other guy's feelings. Moore had a fight earlier in the game, while the score was still sane. However, once it got out of hand, the Bertuzzi thing happened. Listen, I know Bertuzzi didn't intend what happened and the guys jumping on Bertuzzi is at least if not more responsible for breaking Moore's neck, but NONE of that would have happened if the score was 3-2. A top-line guy doesn't go out to fight a 4th line guy. You don't go out there and purposely embarass the other team. It's not the Canadian way. I think you have a good point, but not with Bertuzzi incident, as it's been all but stated that it was a revenge hit for Naslund who Moore hit (semi-cleanly) a few games before. I think Bertuzzi was going to give it to Moore no matter what the score was because he's a psychopath, but also because of the previous Naslund hit. A bit of a rant, but the guy shouldn't be playing hockey, Sean Avery is given the red headed bastard treatment for making a classless comment, Bertuzzi ends a guy's career and his punishment is that he doesn't get to play for a season when there was no hockey any way. The fake moral high ground that the NHL takes is mind boggling.
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Post by darthalexander on Dec 18, 2008 10:49:06 GMT -5
You have to wonder what kind of message this sends to players. You can be a Bertuzzi and still be playing regardless of what you did or you can be an Avery and get "banned" from playing. Nice message.
I think Bertuzzi and all other people like him should be banned permanently. Especially if they end someone's career. Why should they be allowed to play when they've ended someone else's career?It's not fair.
Avery's a jerk, but he's not a Bertuzzi.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 18, 2008 14:17:16 GMT -5
The difference between Bertuzzi and Avery is simple, people still liked Bertuzzi. The dressing room in Dallas, plus the management team, with the exception of Brett Hull, wanted Avery gone.
It's not like Moore is the first guy to ever be permanently injured playing hockey. Go to your library and grab on book on old time hockey and it makes what Bertuzzi did seem like an act of love. Or check out Wikipedia on the Greene/Maki Incident, Eddie Shore/Ace Bailey.
This doesn't include how many guys have lost their career to the touch icing rule, but that's "exciting", right?
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Post by darthalexander on Dec 18, 2008 15:37:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised people do still like Bertuzzi after what he did or any other players who have done stuff like this.
I should also say I mean this when it's intentional injury - not accidental - although the icing situation is making this a bit harder.
I just don't like to see anyone get hurt. It's an awful thing to see.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Dec 18, 2008 15:39:28 GMT -5
No one likes to see guys get hurt, however it's part of the game. It's not that they shouldn't take steps to reduce the likelyhood of injury, but its part of the deal. Hockey is fast, it's physical and guys are gonna get hurt.
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Post by darthalexander on Dec 18, 2008 16:27:34 GMT -5
No one likes to see guys get hurt, however it's part of the game. It's not that they shouldn't take steps to reduce the likelyhood of injury, but its part of the deal. Hockey is fast, it's physical and guys are gonna get hurt. There's a difference between intentional injury and accidental injury though. Yeah people will get hurt in the game, but when someone sets out to intentionally injure someone that's a whole other problem. Cheap-shots, etc...
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Post by The Lodger on Dec 18, 2008 16:56:38 GMT -5
Exactly, this wasn't a bad check or a high stick. What Bertuzzi did can easily be defined as intent to injure. I don't care if he's well liked, he shouldn't be. He's now an over paid, over rated, dinosaur with a lot of baggage. He shouldn't be playing hockey. I know it's not the first time, but if the NHL is going to pretend to care about injuries and concussions, and then turn around and give Bertuzzi a (IMHO) slap on the wrist because he's popular? That's wrong, and they shouldn't pretend to take some sort of moral high ground when Sean Avery comes around.
Sean Avery is Sean Avery, Dallas knew who they were signing. Brett Hull may have made it possible, but at the end of the day, Dallas knew who they were signing. They can't act surprised when Sean Avery acts like Sean Avery. What REALLY upsets me about the situation is that I'm having to defend Avery, seriously, I hate the guy, but what happened to him is stupid. If the Stars were doing well, and Avery was the reason for it, Dallas wouldn't pretend to be offended by what he said, the NHL wouldn't suspend him. Stupid hypocrisy.
Sorry, as an Avs fan, the Bertuzzi situation still really upsets me. Old time hockey or not, if Bertuzzi was anything more than a fraction of a man, he would've fought him like a man. If both gloves were thrown, I wouldn't have had a problem. But that was cheap shot that permanently ended a guys career. In my opinion, Bertuzzi should have been allowed to play hockey the minute Steve Moore could lace up.
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Post by ani on Dec 18, 2008 18:39:32 GMT -5
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 18, 2008 20:52:44 GMT -5
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Post by kitsunestar on Dec 18, 2008 21:16:20 GMT -5
25 years ago tonight Glenn "Chico" Resche recorded the first shutout in New Jersey Devils history. And then he proceeded to eat half the food in the arena.
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Post by Wolfpack Bitch on Dec 18, 2008 21:28:40 GMT -5
Pens are trying hard to blow another lead, this time to Atlanta.
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Post by kitsunestar on Dec 18, 2008 21:29:33 GMT -5
Pens are trying hard to blow another lead, this time to Atlanta. It's what they do best :/
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Post by Designated Drinker on Dec 19, 2008 1:32:11 GMT -5
Good place for him.Wouldn't have minded seeing him in New York but was afraid of who would have to be delt to make room.5 million for half a year convinces me he came back for the $$$ -though to be fair Vancouver offered it up first - think of what the Canucks could have done at the trade deadline with that kind of money and with Sundin already on the team for a more reasonable salary.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Dec 19, 2008 1:41:13 GMT -5
25 years ago tonight Glenn "Chico" Resche recorded the first shutout in New Jersey Devils history. And then he proceeded to eat half the food in the arena. The man likes food. IS THAT SO WRONG
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Post by darthalexander on Dec 19, 2008 12:08:34 GMT -5
Habs did great last night. YES! Finally Kovalev is scoring again and out power play actually made an appearance.
I also have to say the Bruins are really looking smoking. It's nice to see them up top again. Plus they beat Toronto so that's an extra bonus.
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Post by BRV on Dec 19, 2008 12:15:52 GMT -5
Anybody else catch Sidney Crosby's fight during the Penguins-Thrashers game last night?
Crosby sucker-punched a guy in the back of the head while the Thrasher was on his knees on the ice, then as the player was bent over and wrapped up while fighting another Penguin, Crosby snuck in and punched him in the balls twice.
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