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Post by tmc1982 on Jan 7, 2009 2:10:51 GMT -5
www.411mania.com/movies/columns/93936The key problem that I had with the "Super Mario Bros." movie is that it had the wrong look concerning the production design. The movie had a very dirty, industrial look, when it should've had a bright, "Alice in Wonderland" type of feel. I honstly don't think that "Batman Forever" has as bad (I thought that the movie was an improvement over "Batman Returns", which was too dark, sinister, macabre, incoherent, and nasty for my taste) as certain people make it out to be. It primarily gets a bad rap due to its ties with "Batman & Robin", and from Tim Burton marks. What hurt the "Star Wars" prequels in my estimation, was George Lucas being more concerned over the special effects, than quality writing and acting.
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Post by Jiren on Jan 7, 2009 2:18:37 GMT -5
I only agree with "Masters of the Universe" on the grounds that it kicks ass
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Jan 7, 2009 2:24:24 GMT -5
Titanic... the biggest movie of all time. Love and addored by people throughout the world. Selling massive amounts of soundtracks. Winning award after award. THAT needs a second chance?
Stupid list.
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Post by Arturo Classico on Jan 7, 2009 2:25:13 GMT -5
The only one on the list I like is Super Mario Brothers. Sure it wasn't great adaptation at all but it had a cool look and John Lequizemo, Bob Hoskins and Dennis Hopper were great and honestly being very, very dark actually made it better a full length Mario movie being faithful to the game would have been boring, honestly. But one thats not on this list that should be given a second chance is Howard the Duck I love that movie!
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 7, 2009 3:01:23 GMT -5
Titanic... the biggest movie of all time. Love and addored by people throughout the world. Selling massive amounts of soundtracks. Winning award after award. THAT needs a second chance? Stupid list. My thoughts exactly. If anything, give it's spot to THE SPIRIT. Yes, it IS a bad film, but it's not aggressively bad. It's campy bad, and seen in the right mood, I think it's enjoyable enough. Sam Jackson alone is just magic in this film. But then again, when ISN'T he? |
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jan 7, 2009 3:06:30 GMT -5
Sam Jackson alone is just magic in this film. But then again, when ISN'T he?    |
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Post by Loki on Jan 7, 2009 4:51:24 GMT -5
Titanic... the biggest movie of all time. Love and addored by people throughout the world. Selling massive amounts of soundtracks. Winning award after award. THAT needs a second chance? Stupid list. Putting Titanic in a list featuring a bunch of "geek movies" that allegedly deserve a second chance baffled me as well... Personally, I can't stand Titanic, maybe a shorter version would have been better, but I don't see how it needs a second chance, considering the first one was "moderately successful"... I can agree some Disney sequels may be decent, but wel... like the rest of the list are very niche movies. |
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Post by bob on Jan 7, 2009 7:40:07 GMT -5
I own Mario Bros. and Batman Forever....they both suck ass
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Post by blef on Jan 7, 2009 9:35:11 GMT -5
I never gave that New He-Man cartoon a first chance. Anything that ignores the kickass supporting cast is crap.
That said, I've always had a spot in my heart for the lvie action movie with Dolph Lungren and Frank Langella.
Super Mario Bros......liked it, never minded it, but hearing someone else point out the "dirty industrial look when it shoulda been more like Alice in Wonderland" makes me like it a bit less now.
Star Wars......I've forgiven TPM a bit over the past few years, but AOTC has become far more atrocious than it almost was when I first saw it. And Sith still remains so great I can easily forgive it of its faults.
Batman Forever.....not bad, and a goldmine of great compared to the next movie that followed it. Trade Kilmer for Clooney and I could've liked it even more.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Jan 7, 2009 9:57:20 GMT -5
I totally agree about Godzilla and the SW prequels. As Toni (known as "Dude" on these forums) said in one of our discussions "it's a bad Godzilla movie, but a great monster movie."
And the Star Wars prequels were really good. Seriously, I don't get why so many people trash them like that.
I don't get the inclusion of Titanic though. It's the highest-grossing movie of all time, how could it need a second chance? Not to mention it's really overrated and a lot of scenes were ripped off from older movies.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 7, 2009 12:05:06 GMT -5
I honstly don't think that "Batman Forever" has as bad (I thought that the movie was an improvement over "Batman Returns", which was too dark, sinister, macabre, incoherent, and nasty for my taste) as certain people make it out to be. It primarily gets a bad rap due to its ties with "Batman & Robin", and from Tim Burton marks. Batman is supposed to be dark, macabre, and sinister, though. Besides, Danny DeVito was awesome as the Penguin. |
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Jan 7, 2009 14:51:06 GMT -5
Joe Besser wasn't a good fit for the Stooges. He did that sissy boy act for years in vaudville and was in a few films and was good at what he did. He just couldn't do the physcial stuff that was The Stooges calling card.
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Post by Cela on Jan 7, 2009 15:24:21 GMT -5
Titanic... the biggest movie of all time. Love and addored by people throughout the world. Selling massive amounts of soundtracks. Winning award after award. THAT needs a second chance? Stupid list. My thoughts exactly. If anything, give it's spot to THE SPIRIT. Yes, it IS a bad film, but it's not aggressively bad. It's campy bad, and seen in the right mood, I think it's enjoyable enough. Sam Jackson alone is just magic in this film. But then again, when ISN'T he? Dude, that movie gave me a stroke. I have never dropped acid before, but that seemed remarkably like a bad trip. I once did a back to back marathon of Mullholland Drive, Fellini Satyricon, and 2001... and I was in much better shape than after THE SPIRIT. Seriously, I'm still not sure where I parked my car or why I was wearing that giant foam hat, THE SPIRIT must be to blame. |
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Post by Slammywinner on Jan 7, 2009 15:28:35 GMT -5
The Disney prequels are so hit or miss. Even when I was a kid I knew they were just trying to make a buck. I guess I'm not surprised that a good one or two slipped in, there are so many after all. More specificity would be nice.
Batman Forever was such a left turn from the other movies, I think that's why people didn't like it. I enjoyed it a lot when it was released, but it hasn't aged well with me. Worth seeing...and the main problem with "returns" was that it was a Christmas movie. It might have been called "A Gotham Christmas Carol."
The '76 King Kong is atrocious. Yes, it's campy, but it's terrible on a much deeper level. The plot and relationships are all very forced. Your only affections for any of the protagonists are nostalgia from the first film. I really wanted Kong to just kill and eat everyone, especially the girl and the hero...if you haven't seen it before though, it needs to be seen to be believed.
Spot on review of Godzilla 98. I really liked it, but it could have been Jurassic Park 2...and you know what, it was better than the JP 2 we did get.
Mario was also about adjusting your expectations. A Mario film this was not, but it was a pretty good sci-fi. Dennis Hooper is so good this must be on your list if you haven't seen it. The whole evolutionary theme is right out of a devo TV spot and has nothing to do with Mario. And those things are not Goombas...and why are there no Turtles? Wasted license, fine film.
Love those Stooges...He-Man was fine...and Titanic is an epic, if you're a chick...
I still loathe the prequel trilogy, though Sith is alright. My main non-Jar-Jar, non-CGI dependency complaint is the lack of a beginning and ending for all the films. Action sequences and special fx aren't a story. My opinion is the first three movies were three books in a series. The new trilogy seemed more like three chapters in a book...a book in which we all already knew the ending. So what I saw was hours and hours of expedition with a few poorly acted character changes along the way. And I'm still confused as to why clones are more powerful than killer robots? And are the storm troopers all clones still in the original series?
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 7, 2009 15:30:47 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. If anything, give it's spot to THE SPIRIT. Yes, it IS a bad film, but it's not aggressively bad. It's campy bad, and seen in the right mood, I think it's enjoyable enough. Sam Jackson alone is just magic in this film. But then again, when ISN'T he? Dude, that movie gave me a stroke. I have never dropped acid before, but that seemed remarkably like a bad trip. I once did a back to back marathon of Mullholland Drive, Fellini Satyricon, and 2001... and I was in much better shape than after THE SPIRIT. Seriously, I'm still not sure where I parked my car or why I was wearing that giant foam hat, THE SPIRIT must be to blame. Hahahaha! Yes, Miller's SIN CITY drenching of the film was horrible, but the film underneath all of that wasn't bad for what it was supposed to be. Miller....he took what could have been a much better, more coherent film than what it ended up being, and just drowned it in a style that didn't fit, and didn't bother to direct his actors and actresses much at all. The film is not to blame. It's the guy behind it. |
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Post by Mr PONYMANIA Mr Jenzie on Jan 7, 2009 16:04:50 GMT -5
replace 10 with LOST IN SPACE and replace 4 with LAST ACTION HERO ..... in fact why is 10 and 4 in a list of MOVIES???
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Post by Bobafett on Jan 7, 2009 16:38:43 GMT -5
Masters of the Universe woulda been better if it was all on eternia..the Earth plot smacked of "we got a low budget" mind you its golan and globus, but..what i find funny is that the Scorceress went on to play Monicas mum in friends, and Teela was nearly cast as janeway in Voyager which DID star Tom Paris (who plays Coxs boyfriens in the movie ) and Blade goes on to be the main Kazon bad guy in Voyager
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Post by Jiren on Jan 7, 2009 17:00:28 GMT -5
Masters of the Universe woulda been better if it was all on eternia..the Earth plot smacked of "we got a low budget" mind you its golan and globus, but..what i find funny is that the Scorceress went on to play Monicas mum in friends, and Teela was nearly cast as janeway in Voyager which DID star Tom Paris (who plays Coxs boyfriens in the movie ) and Blade goes on to be the main Kazon bad guy in Voyager "Masters Of The Universe" had Frank Langella's badass Skeletor. I love that Monologue (Note to Fox - Dr Doom NEEDS to be like this in future movies) |
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Post by biafra on Jan 7, 2009 17:07:23 GMT -5
Godfather 3 as far as critical acclaim goes.
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Post by tmc1982 on Jan 7, 2009 18:42:45 GMT -5
I honstly don't think that "Batman Forever" has as bad (I thought that the movie was an improvement over "Batman Returns", which was too dark, sinister, macabre, incoherent, and nasty for my taste) as certain people make it out to be. It primarily gets a bad rap due to its ties with "Batman & Robin", and from Tim Burton marks. Batman is supposed to be dark, macabre, and sinister, though. Besides, Danny DeVito was awesome as the Penguin. True, but personally, Tim Burton took all of the elements that made the first movie work, and pushed it way over the edge. The first movie was better because Burton showed or had some restraint placed on him. |
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