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Post by skiller on Jan 2, 2009 0:39:08 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Matt fan, he just completely bores me.
With that said I don't think he's a bad champion, but he certainly won't be a memorable one.
Anyway the worst thing that happened to that title is easily Test walking away from his PPV title match. Seriously, they didn't even try to explain that one.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 2, 2009 9:19:35 GMT -5
Okay so since some of you feel it doesn't legitamize the title, what would it take in your eyes? If he had title defenses against guys from Raw and SD like Big Show did, that might raise it a bit as it would show that not just guys on ECW want the title.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 2, 2009 12:21:00 GMT -5
No, the belt legitimizes Matt Hardy.
As most belts usually do with wrestlers.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Jan 2, 2009 12:35:52 GMT -5
Okay so since some of you feel it doesn't legitamize the title, what would it take in your eyes? If he had title defenses against guys from Raw and SD like Big Show did, that might raise it a bit as it would show that not just guys on ECW want the title. But since Matt is a midcarder, he would probably only take challenges from other midcarders. Big Show was defending against the likes of Batista and Undertaker.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 2, 2009 14:10:36 GMT -5
If he had title defenses against guys from Raw and SD like Big Show did, that might raise it a bit as it would show that not just guys on ECW want the title. But since Matt is a midcarder, he would probably only take challenges from other midcarders. Big Show was defending against the likes of Batista and Undertaker. Matt feuds with some main eventers. He just happens to do it on their own shows.
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Post by thelastcall on Jan 2, 2009 14:25:12 GMT -5
Matt has GOT to stop curtain jerking PPVs and tv shows
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 2, 2009 14:32:11 GMT -5
If he had title defenses against guys from Raw and SD like Big Show did, that might raise it a bit as it would show that not just guys on ECW want the title. But since Matt is a midcarder, he would probably only take challenges from other midcarders. Big Show was defending against the likes of Batista and Undertaker. It would still be cool if someone like a Jericho challenged him for it even if he's a midcarder.
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Post by randomranter on Jan 2, 2009 14:41:23 GMT -5
Okay so since some of you feel it doesn't legitamize the title, what would it take in your eyes? Having an ECW roster consisting of more than 12 people: Matt, Mark Henry, and 10 people who matter less than Matt and Mark Henry. Not having the ECW champion on the losing end of throw-away squash matches at Wrestlemania. Not having the ECW champion jobbing clean in the curtain jerker match at a PPV. Not treating the ECW champion as nothing more than just another midcarder when he appears on Raw or SD. Not treating the ECW belt as the fifth most important belt in the company. Someone on page 1 put it best: ECW feels like the "developmental" show, or the show for those who are too good to fire, but not good enough for Raw or Smackdown. Anybody who develops into something marketable is instantly moved to one of the two "real" shows, leaving ECW high-and-dry again.
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Post by Cyno on Jan 2, 2009 15:14:31 GMT -5
Good ECW Championship Reigns:
1. Big Show. The best in the title's history since ECW became a WWE brand. He made it seem like a huge deal, and 'Show himself is a former WWE and WCW Champion, becoming the first ever wrestler to hold "The Big 3's" world titles. This is the reign that I think legitimized the belt.
2. Vince McMahon. Not that Vince was a qualified wrestler or anything, but he used the title to get a tremendous amount of heat. Losing it to Lashley launched him into a crazed lunatic, and the "GIT GIT GIT!" promo. Overall, a very entertaining run.
3. Mark Henry. I hate to admit it, as I'm not a Henry fan, but he had a good run with the ECW Title. He was booked as an unstoppable monster, and he played the part well. He also kept in shape, which was admirable in its own right.
4. Matt Hardy - His quality of opponents isn't great, but I'm enjoying Hardy's reign as ECW Champion. They had a great build between him and Henry, and it's just cool seeing the Hardy Boyz and knowing that both of them are World Champs now. And WWE loves reminding us of this fact. I hope this eventually leads to Matt gunning for the World or WWE Championship down the line.
OK ECW Championship Reigns:
1. CM Punk - He had some fantastic matches with John Morrison, but other than that, he didn't exactly have many quality defenses due to the less-than-stellar talent pool of ECW at the time. Still, it was a pretty good reign for when he had it, and it helped him get even more over and eventually to the Money In The Bank and The Big Gold Belt.
2. John Morrison - He's worthy of being a champion now, but it was too soon for Johnny Nitro, and we all know why he got it in the first place. Of course, this helped him get over as John Morrison. Ironically, the night I finally bought him as worthy enough to hold the ECW Championship was the night he lost it to Punk. He looked like he had finally found himself as a performer, and looked like a million bucks because of it. Amazing what some confidence in yourself will lead to.
3. Rob Van Dam - Well, he definitely deserved it AND he was also WWE Champion. His reign should've been what Big Show's ended up being, but that fateful stop on a lonely Ohio highway put an end to that sooner than it should have.
4. Kane - It was pretty much just there, and probably more of a "thank you" reign for Kane than anything. Lord knows he deserved a world title win after all the crap he's been put through in terms of storyline, especially since he only had a 1 day reign with the WWF Title back in '98.
Bad ECW Championship reigns:
1. Bobby Lashley (both of them) - They tried to push him as the dominant Goldberg/Lesnar-type and it just didn't work. He just didn't have the charisma to do it, either in the ring or especially on the mic. He was a very dull champion, made only worse by the WWE's consistent attempts to make him into the next big thing only for them to end in failure. I groaned when he got the ECW Championship back from Vince, but was relieved when he lost it due to the draft.
2. Chavo Guerrero. By far the worst. Chavo's a lower midcarder for life, and giving him a world championship reign was a slap in the face of the title's legacy. He almost did irreparable harm to the title's prestige. His being in the Royal Rumble and Kane's decimation of him in seconds at Wrestlemania showed how little WWE thought of his reign, too.
To answer the question, no. I don't think Matt Hardy legitimized the ECW Championship, as I think Big Show already did that 2 1/2 years ago. But after Chavo, I think he and Mark Henry did a lot to save it from being an absolute joke after Kane kept it from going any more downhill.
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Post by gaff on Jan 2, 2009 19:41:18 GMT -5
I like Hardy as champion, however he needs some real competition to make the title worthy, hopefully with Paul Birchull now on ECW it allows Hardy to have a proper feud where you can actually see him losing for a change.
I would also like to see THE Brian Kendrick challenge for the strap and even Shelton Benjamin or R-Truth or even Cody Rhodes Manu or Ted Jr, whenever ECW is taped on the same night as either RAW or SD! I don't see any reason not to use the talent available
Jack Swagger is going to be a star, I feel he needs a name change though, it just doesn't suit, and its also far to early for him
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Post by r. on Jan 2, 2009 19:47:37 GMT -5
New Jack winning the belt in a taipei exploding barbed wire deathmath couldn't legitimize the belt at this point, its a belt for people on the same level as openers. also im fully aware the original premise of ECW is long dead.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 3, 2009 2:08:36 GMT -5
I think the title devalues Matt Hardy and he's not even very good.
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Post by Garee on Jan 3, 2009 2:14:26 GMT -5
I think more so than others, but still doesn't bring it up to real world title status. I still view it as something along the lines of the IC or US title
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Post by primetime110 on Jan 3, 2009 2:26:23 GMT -5
no
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Jan 3, 2009 11:46:13 GMT -5
-Mark Henry dominate granted, but has the WWE ever really used Henry as anything other than monster heal to be used to pad top level talent matches? wwe used him to be the father of Mae Young's baby/hand/thing...
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