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Post by ani on Feb 7, 2009 11:39:39 GMT -5
........Sigh there goes A-Rod. Whos next? Pujols, Ortiz? You'd have to be suspicious of those two. Ortiz goes from being an above average hitter to an all star. Pujols goes from an unknown pick to mkaing ST to being ROY. Those two have to be prime suspects. |
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Feb 7, 2009 11:46:17 GMT -5
One guy I've always wondered about is Ken Griffey Jr. As soon as he hit 30, his body began to fall apart.
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Post by S-Chrome on Feb 7, 2009 12:32:53 GMT -5
On the bright side of things, at least A-Rod wasn't found to be using as a Yankee. ;D And seriously, if a player of A-Rod's skill even had to use steroids, there's almost no doubt that the Pujols', Ramirez's, Berkmans, Joneses, Ortizes, and other major sluggers and top-flight pitchers of this era have used steroids one time or another. Yep, it's gonna be another circus just in time for Spring Training. So long, World Series championship. Hello, asterisk.  |
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Post by Insomniac on Feb 7, 2009 12:46:15 GMT -5
There are over 150 names on the list that was NOT supposed to be released. So, as this goes along it should be fun to see that most likely, A-Rod's got a lawsuit he can file. A guy making $27M per year isn't going to care about some lawsuit. The damage had been done. He can go to court as much as he wants and sue for as much as he wants. It won't make this go away. Arguably my favorite part is this: So he was warned about an upcoming drug test, while with NY, in 2004. Juicy stuff. Orza is screwed. |
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Post by Mac on Feb 7, 2009 12:47:01 GMT -5
As a Red Sox fan, I just have to say.... I dont care. Really, this era is so chocked full of steroid users, HGH users and guys using performance enhancers that are not detectable that finding out that possibly the greatest hitter of this generation used steroids is anything but a shock.
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Post by Insomniac on Feb 7, 2009 12:50:07 GMT -5
As a Red Sox fan, I just have to say.... I dont care. Really, this era is so chocked full of steroid users, HGH users and guys using performance enhancers that are not detectable that finding out that possibly the greatest hitter of this generation used steroids is anything but a shock. It's true that the era is full of drug users and abusers, no question. We probably don't even know about half of the chemicals that these guys pump into their bodies. However, this is cool for a couple reasons: 1) It makes Canseco look good. 2) I think HUGE might be an understatement. If true this destroys him. And it's a bigger blow than the Bonds allegations. While Bonds was a great player, A-Rod is well on his way to becoming the greatest of all time. The homerun record is A-Rod's to break. If the SI story is true, that all goes to excretory matter. A guy who was going to become the greatest of all time, just destroyed his career. And the thing is, A-Rod had the talent to become the greatest of all time, just on talent. Every stat, and every record set in this era is going to come into question. The guy baseball could point to, and say, look at him he's going to break the homerun record, and go down as a once in a lifetime talent, has pissed it away. I 100% agree with this. A-Rod was supposed to be the "Golden Boy" of this era, the guy that even non-Yankee fans would want to see break Bonds record because he was going to do it the right way. No shortcuts, all natural. Now his reputation has gone to hell, and baseball needs someone else to fill the void. So while it's pretty funny to make all the "A-Roid" jokes and laugh and celebrate, this is pretty damaging for the game of baseball. |
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Post by Tyfo on Feb 7, 2009 13:53:19 GMT -5
MLB Network is now reporting this. They're talking to the GM of the Rangers when A-Rod was a Ranger in 2003. Think we should listen to Canseco more? I mean, he did say this years ago and we blew him off. You mean they managed to lure John Hart off the golf course for more then 5 minutes?!?!?! They already have gotten more out of him then the Rangers did then. As for my good buddy A-Rod, ah shucks, I'm so disappointed in you. Pffffft, your going to get everything you deserve now that the media storm is going to be all up on your ass you douche nugget. Your no golden boy, just like I've always said. If you break the home run record, it will be more tainted then Barry Bonds. Because not only are you also a juicer, but your a way bigger a-hole then Bonds could ever be you jackass! |
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Post by Insomniac on Feb 7, 2009 14:22:57 GMT -5
MLB Network is now reporting this. They're talking to the GM of the Rangers when A-Rod was a Ranger in 2003. Think we should listen to Canseco more? I mean, he did say this years ago and we blew him off. You mean they managed to lure John Hart off the golf course for more then 5 minutes?!?!?! They already have gotten more out of him then the Rangers did then. As for my good buddy A-Rod, ah shucks, I'm so disappointed in you. Pffffft, your going to get everything you deserve now that the media storm is going to be all up on your ass you douche nugget. Your no golden boy, just like I've always said. If you break the home run record, it will be more tainted then Barry Bonds. Because not only are you also a juicer, but your a way bigger a-hole then Bonds could ever be you jackass! Now tell us how you really feel  |
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Post by Mac on Feb 7, 2009 14:33:00 GMT -5
As a Red Sox fan, I just have to say.... I dont care. Really, this era is so chocked full of steroid users, HGH users and guys using performance enhancers that are not detectable that finding out that possibly the greatest hitter of this generation used steroids is anything but a shock. It's true that the era is full of drug users and abusers, no question. We probably don't even know about half of the chemicals that these guys pump into their bodies. However, this is cool for a couple reasons: 1) It makes Canseco look good. 2) I think HUGE might be an understatement. If true this destroys him. And it's a bigger blow than the Bonds allegations. While Bonds was a great player, A-Rod is well on his way to becoming the greatest of all time. The homerun record is A-Rod's to break. If the SI story is true, that all goes to excretory matter. A guy who was going to become the greatest of all time, just destroyed his career. And the thing is, A-Rod had the talent to become the greatest of all time, just on talent. Every stat, and every record set in this era is going to come into question. The guy baseball could point to, and say, look at him he's going to break the homerun record, and go down as a once in a lifetime talent, has pissed it away. I 100% agree with this. A-Rod was supposed to be the "Golden Boy" of this era, the guy that even non-Yankee fans would want to see break Bonds record because he was going to do it the right way. No shortcuts, all natural. Now his reputation has gone to hell, and baseball needs someone else to fill the void. So while it's pretty funny to make all the "A-Roid" jokes and laugh and celebrate, this is pretty damaging for the game of baseball. If theres anything to be learned by these players who've done roids is just admit it, and chances are it will go away. The guys who have fought it are going to jail. and the ones who vehemetly denied it look ridiculous. |
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Post by DamnYankee on Feb 7, 2009 14:37:32 GMT -5
The term coined by fellow Yankees teamates, "A-Fraud" seems quite fitting now more than ever.
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Post by The Line on Feb 7, 2009 14:48:41 GMT -5
man, I was always upset that he left Seattle, but now, not so much
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Post by Insomniac on Feb 7, 2009 14:56:54 GMT -5
If theres anything to be learned by these players who've done roids is just admit it, and chances are it will go away. The guys who have fought it are going to jail. and the ones who vehemetly denied it look ridiculous. Brian Roberts is one guy who comes to mind that admitted his mistake as soon as word got out. He didn't try to deny it, he admitted his fault, and he's moved on. You never hear about Roberts name during steroid discussions. Then again, Brian Roberts isn't Alex Rodriguez, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, etc. If Roberts had lied about it initially and later was proven to be a liar, I'm not so sure he would've been chastised as much as these other guys are. The stars, the big name players, are held in much higher regard when it comes to the discussion of steroids. They take much more heat and they deal with much greater consequences in terms of media/fan reaction. Whether it's fair or not, who knows. But it comes with the territory. I think in all this, it's just disappointing to hear as a baseball fan. As a Red Sox fan, I can't help but find it a bit humorous. But as a baseball fan, it's upsetting because you realize that anyone can do it. Hell, I'm wouldn't be surprised if Griffey was doping at one point or another. It's like when your parents were so upset with you as a kid, they'd say, "I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed". That's 10x worse. There are a lot of people to blame for all this. Starts with A-Rod, but Donald Fehr, Gene Orza, and countless others in the baseball community for allowing this culture of steroid abuse to continue for as long as it has. I still love the game, but this is damaging stuff for it's credibility. |
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 7, 2009 15:13:22 GMT -5
As a Red Sox fan, I just have to say.... I dont care. Really, this era is so chocked full of steroid users, HGH users and guys using performance enhancers that are not detectable that finding out that possibly the greatest hitter of this generation used steroids is anything but a shock. It's true that the era is full of drug users and abusers, no question. We probably don't even know about half of the chemicals that these guys pump into their bodies. However, this is cool for a couple reasons: 1) It makes Canseco look good. 2) I think HUGE might be an understatement. If true this destroys him. And it's a bigger blow than the Bonds allegations. While Bonds was a great player, A-Rod is well on his way to becoming the greatest of all time. The homerun record is A-Rod's to break. If the SI story is true, that all goes to excretory matter. A guy who was going to become the greatest of all time, just destroyed his career. And the thing is, A-Rod had the talent to become the greatest of all time, just on talent. Every stat, and every record set in this era is going to come into question. The guy baseball could point to, and say, look at him he's going to break the homerun record, and go down as a once in a lifetime talent, has pissed it away. I 100% agree with this. A-Rod was supposed to be the "Golden Boy" of this era, the guy that even non-Yankee fans would want to see break Bonds record because he was going to do it the right way. No shortcuts, all natural. Now his reputation has gone to hell, and baseball needs someone else to fill the void. So while it's pretty funny to make all the "A-Roid" jokes and laugh and celebrate, this is pretty damaging for the game of baseball. I disagree with the part that baseball will suffer. Baseball doesn't need A-Rod. Baseball was there before A-Rod and it will be here after A-Rod. Who DID need a baseball golden boy, was Captain douchebag, Bud Selig, and the baseball media. The media placed A-Rod on this pedestal, while vilifying the "Steroid Era". Bud Selig was content to ride the whole thing out, fat, dumb, and happy, all the way to the bank to the tune of 17 million bucks a year. I mean he already got rich off of the success of the steroid science projects, why not get behind a White Knight and get richer? Now that the Hero/Villain baseball dream angle has been destroyed, Selig and his cronies look completely foolish, once again. |
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Post by ani on Feb 7, 2009 15:14:51 GMT -5
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Feb 7, 2009 15:18:54 GMT -5
Are they going to pick up Griffey next? |
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Post by Insomniac on Feb 7, 2009 15:19:59 GMT -5
I disagree with the part that baseball will suffer. Baseball doesn't need A-Rod. Baseball was there before A-Rod and it will be here after A-Rod. I know Baseball doesn't "need" someone in that sense, and that they'll survive with or without him. My point was that Barry Bonds owning the current HR record has a tainted feel to it. A-Rod was supposed to come along and break that record based on talent alone, no shortcuts. Now, it will be just as big a circus when he finally does reach 763. Should there be an asterisk there? Is Hank Aaron still the "real" HR king? It was supposed to put an end to the discussion of having a tainted HR king, but now we're only going to get even more of that in 5 years. It is a black eye for the game of baseball. They're still a $6 Billion industry, but it brings more unwanted attention for a sport that already has enough of that with Bonds/Clemens. |
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 7, 2009 15:26:48 GMT -5
I disagree with the part that baseball will suffer. Baseball doesn't need A-Rod. Baseball was there before A-Rod and it will be here after A-Rod. I know Baseball doesn't "need" someone in that sense, and that they'll survive with or without him. My point was that Barry Bonds owning the current HR record has a tainted feel to it. A-Rod was supposed to come along and break that record based on talent alone, no shortcuts. Now, it will be just as big a circus when he finally does reach 763. Should there be an asterisk there? Is Hank Aaron still the "real" HR king? It was supposed to put an end to the discussion of having a tainted HR king, but now we're only going to get even more of that in 5 years. It is a black eye for the game of baseball. They're still a $6 Billion industry, but it brings more unwanted attention for a sport that already has enough of that with Bonds/Clemens. And that right there is Bud Selig's, the rest of baseball owners', the Players Union's, and the players themselves' collective fault. They, together, made this bed. Now we, the fans, have to lie in it with them. Baseball has failed on so many levels in regards to steroids, there should be civil suits filed. |
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Post by Tyfo on Feb 7, 2009 15:28:24 GMT -5
If he can do what Milton Bradley did, that would be great. Which means at this time next year I will be yelling about how Tom Hicks didn't even give Jones an offer and let him walk away. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 7, 2009 17:01:13 GMT -5
On the bright side of things, at least A-Rod wasn't found to be using as a Yankee. ;D True..... But you cant expect anyone to believe that he used it for one year, and one year only. So his Yankee accomplishments, which would include........uh...........um..........hmm......what was my point again? Oh yeah, that even the good things he may have done as a Yankee are suspect |
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Post by RedSmile on Feb 7, 2009 17:07:24 GMT -5
On the bright side of things, at least A-Rod wasn't found to be using as a Yankee. ;D True..... But you cant expect anyone to believe that he used it for one year, and one year only. So his Yankee accomplishments, which would include........uh...........um..........hmm......what was my point again? Oh yeah, that even the good things he may have done as a Yankee are suspect Well, the details are sketchy so far, so who knows what really happened. But when people start crying about "witch hunts" and what have you..... Hey this is perfectly reasonable, in this time in baseball to suspect anyone and everyone. And he has put up good numbers as a Yankee. |
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