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Post by Jiren on Mar 8, 2009 8:02:17 GMT -5
What's the betting that as good as this movie is Alan Moore still won't be satisfied (IF he ever watches it ). Hell If "The Man who has everything" episode of Justice League didn't please him, Nothing Will.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Mar 8, 2009 8:15:06 GMT -5
What's the betting that as good as this movie is Alan Moore still won't be satisfied (IF he ever watches it ). Hell If "The Man who has everything" episode of Justice League didn't please him, Nothing Will. Nothing pleases Alan Moore. It probably doesn't help that he looks like Rasputin. Edit: Also, I wonder how many people will get the siginficance of my new Username?
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Mar 8, 2009 8:18:51 GMT -5
What's the betting that as good as this movie is Alan Moore still won't be satisfied (IF he ever watches it ). Hell If "The Man who has everything" episode of Justice League didn't please him, Nothing Will. Nothing pleases Alan Moore. It probably doesn't help that he looks like Rasputin. Edit: Also, I wonder how many people will get the siginficance of my new Username? The fact that he looks like Rasputin is possibly the most awesome thing about him.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 10:29:48 GMT -5
What's the betting that as good as this movie is Alan Moore still won't be satisfied (IF he ever watches it ). Hell If "The Man who has everything" episode of Justice League didn't please him, Nothing Will. Nothing pleases Alan Moore. It probably doesn't help that he looks like Rasputin. Edit: Also, I wonder how many people will get the siginficance of my new Username? "Who watches the Watchmen?"
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 8, 2009 10:32:38 GMT -5
yeah, nothing they do could convince Alan Moore it's a good movie. I think that by this point, he's so sour about film adaptations of his work that he has the "automatically hate it" mindset about all of them.
then again, I'd be happy if no-one ever adapted Lost Girls into a movie.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 10:34:58 GMT -5
yeah, nothing they do could convince Alan Moore it's a good movie. I think that by this point, he's so sour about film adaptations of his work that he has the "automatically hate it" mindset about all of them. then again, I'd be happy if no-one ever adapted Lost Girls into a movie. Dude, Alan Moore hates movies PERIOD. Nothing would make him like film adaptations of his works if he hates the film medium to begin with.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 8, 2009 10:55:15 GMT -5
yeah, nothing they do could convince Alan Moore it's a good movie. I think that by this point, he's so sour about film adaptations of his work that he has the "automatically hate it" mindset about all of them. then again, I'd be happy if no-one ever adapted Lost Girls into a movie. Dude, Alan Moore hates movies PERIOD. Nothing would make him like film adaptations of his works if he hates the film medium to begin with. Thats not true. He dislikes modern Hollywood films. He especially hates the fact that comic books are treated like 2nd class citizens compared to the film medium and are currently being treated as a developmental ground for film franchises. Theres so much misinformation about Moore. I've yet to find a topic I disagree with him on in the slightest manner. If more people thought like Alan Moore maybe western culture wouldn't be as bad as it is currently. I don't want to watch the film and never will. I read the comic, loved it, learned things from it... I enjoy re-reading it to this day, 15 years after I first read it. Why do i want to see the same story in an illegitimate bastardized form when I can walk into any bookstore and find the book, for a little bit more money than going to see the film ONCE.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 11:05:32 GMT -5
Dude, Alan Moore hates movies PERIOD. Nothing would make him like film adaptations of his works if he hates the film medium to begin with. Thats not true. He dislikes modern Hollywood films. He especially hates the fact that comic books are treated like 2nd class citizens compared to the film medium and are currently being treated as a developmental ground for film franchises. Theres so much misinformation about Moore. I've yet to find a topic I disagree with him on in the slightest manner. If more people thought like Alan Moore maybe western culture wouldn't be as bad as it is currently. I don't want to watch the film and never will. I read the comic, loved it, learned things from it... I enjoy re-reading it to this day, 15 years after I first read it. Why do i want to see the same story in an illegitimate bastardized form when I can walk into any bookstore and find the book, for a little bit more money than going to see the film ONCE. Dude, please, just please, get the snork off your high horse. Everyone else has seen the film and the majority of us loved it, including many of us who said that the movie could not possibly be good. So dude, just see the snorking film.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 8, 2009 11:22:38 GMT -5
Dude, Alan Moore hates movies PERIOD. Nothing would make him like film adaptations of his works if he hates the film medium to begin with. Thats not true. He dislikes modern Hollywood films. He especially hates the fact that comic books are treated like 2nd class citizens compared to the film medium and are currently being treated as a developmental ground for film franchises. Theres so much misinformation about Moore. I've yet to find a topic I disagree with him on in the slightest manner. If more people thought like Alan Moore maybe western culture wouldn't be as bad as it is currently. I don't want to watch the film and never will. I read the comic, loved it, learned things from it... I enjoy re-reading it to this day, 15 years after I first read it. Why do i want to see the same story in an illegitimate bastardized form when I can walk into any bookstore and find the book, for a little bit more money than going to see the film ONCE. seriously, get off your high horse. Moore's a brilliant writer, but I think you've put him on a pretty ridiculous pedestal. dude's wrong about lots of things, even if he is delightfully eccentric about it. edited because I was getting annoyed and said something inappropriate.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 8, 2009 11:39:07 GMT -5
I love being told to get off my high horse by people who think they're not on a high horse by telling me to get off a high horse. Irony.
I saw the trailer, didn't like the look of it. Don't like Synder's previous films and from everyone I know with a similar taste in movies to my own has hated the film. Why would I bother?
What specifically do you think Moore is "wrong" about? You might disagree... thats fine, but me, personally I agree with him.
Hell the fact that you're talking in "right"and "wrong" just shows you missed the point of what Watchmen was about and what Moore was trying to do. Maybe thats a failing on his part...
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 11:44:15 GMT -5
I love being told to get off my high horse by people who think they're not on a high horse by telling me to get off a high horse. Irony. I saw the trailer, didn't like the look of it. Don't like Synder's previous films and from everyone I know with a similar taste in movies to my own has hated the film. Why would I bother? What specifically do you think Moore is "wrong" about? You might disagree... thats fine, but me, personally I agree with him. Hell the fact that you're talking in "right"and "wrong" just shows you missed the point of what Watchmen was about and what Moore was trying to do. Maybe thats a failing on his part... It could be, because he completely and utterly failed in making everyone hate Rorschach. He meant for Rorschach to be a character that no one would like. Instead? Rorschach has basically become the face of the book and is overall the most popular character in the book. So, fission mailed on Moore's part there.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 8, 2009 12:25:54 GMT -5
I love being told to get off my high horse by people who think they're not on a high horse by telling me to get off a high horse. Irony. I saw the trailer, didn't like the look of it. Don't like Synder's previous films and from everyone I know with a similar taste in movies to my own has hated the film. Why would I bother? What specifically do you think Moore is "wrong" about? You might disagree... thats fine, but me, personally I agree with him. Hell the fact that you're talking in "right"and "wrong" just shows you missed the point of what Watchmen was about and what Moore was trying to do. Maybe thats a failing on his part... It could be, because he completely and utterly failed in making everyone hate Rorschach. He meant for Rorschach to be a character that no one would like. Instead? Rorschach has basically become the face of the book and is overall the most popular character in the book. So, fission mailed on Moore's part there. Ugh. Not everything is pro-wrestling. One of the central themes of Watchmen is the blurring between good and evil. Its a very freeing book because there are so many different, in some cases polar opposite, view points expressed in the comic with equal care (likewise with Moore's hero, Robert Anton Wilson's work). It doesn't present any of them as being necessarily wrong or right, hence the paradox the heroes find themselves in at the end. Just like the "heroes", audiences are so used to being told what to think, what to like, how to respond they get confused about how to respond to a totally subjective situation. Again, like RAW's work Watchmen lets you make your own mind up. Moore didn't find Rorschach likable. Other people did. He doesn't have a problem with that, he's just said he wouldn't want to associate himself with people who felt they had something in common with Rorschach. Can you blame him? He also didn't want to kill him off, but felt the character would want to die. Considering one of the other central themes of the satire is "What if superheroes were real?", just like real life, there are people some like and others dislike. Just like real life, some people have qualities that are noble (Rorschach's integrity) and others that are detestable (everything else). In this case Moore's work is a complete success. An artist can never have total control over the total audience's reaction. The fact that audiences are responding at all, let alone 20 years later, is a testament to Moore's success.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 12:32:18 GMT -5
It could be, because he completely and utterly failed in making everyone hate Rorschach. He meant for Rorschach to be a character that no one would like. Instead? Rorschach has basically become the face of the book and is overall the most popular character in the book. So, fission mailed on Moore's part there. Ugh. Not everything is pro-wrestling. One of the central themes of Watchmen is the blurring between good and evil. Its a very freeing book because there are so many different, in some cases polar opposite, view points expressed in the comic with equal care (likewise with Moore's hero, Robert Anton Wilson's work). It doesn't present any of them as being necessarily wrong or right, hence the paradox the heroes find themselves in at the end. Just like the "heroes", audiences are so used to being told what to think, what to like, how to respond they get confused about how to respond to a totally subjective situation. Again, like RAW's work Watchmen lets you make your own mind up. Moore didn't find Rorschach likable. Other people did. He doesn't have a problem with that, he's just said he wouldn't want to associate himself with people who felt they had something in common with Rorschach. Can you blame him? He also didn't want to kill him off, but felt the character would want to die. Considering one of the other central themes of the satire is "What if superheroes were real?", just like real life, there are people some like and others dislike. Just like real life, some people have qualities that are noble (Rorschach's integrity) and others that are detestable (everything else). In this case Moore's work is a complete success. An artist can never have total control over the total audience's reaction. The fact that audiences are responding at all, let alone 20 years later, is a testament to Moore's success. Dude, what the f*** does pro wrestling have to do with this? If you are trying to say that not everything is good v. bad, then you kind of are missing the point yourself. Wrestling isn't just good guys and bad guys. You can like whoever you want in pro wrestling as well. Basically everything you stated can be applied to wrestling. I mean once we had the Attitude Era and the rise of tweeners and heels that have a sense of good and faces with a disregard to the rules, the lines of wrestling have been blurred.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Mar 8, 2009 12:38:09 GMT -5
Veidt was an assclown. That's undebatable.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 12:44:05 GMT -5
Veidt was an assclown. That's undebatable. Oh, for sure.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 8, 2009 12:44:31 GMT -5
Ugh. Not everything is pro-wrestling. One of the central themes of Watchmen is the blurring between good and evil. Its a very freeing book because there are so many different, in some cases polar opposite, view points expressed in the comic with equal care (likewise with Moore's hero, Robert Anton Wilson's work). It doesn't present any of them as being necessarily wrong or right, hence the paradox the heroes find themselves in at the end. Just like the "heroes", audiences are so used to being told what to think, what to like, how to respond they get confused about how to respond to a totally subjective situation. Again, like RAW's work Watchmen lets you make your own mind up. Moore didn't find Rorschach likable. Other people did. He doesn't have a problem with that, he's just said he wouldn't want to associate himself with people who felt they had something in common with Rorschach. Can you blame him? He also didn't want to kill him off, but felt the character would want to die. Considering one of the other central themes of the satire is "What if superheroes were real?", just like real life, there are people some like and others dislike. Just like real life, some people have qualities that are noble (Rorschach's integrity) and others that are detestable (everything else). In this case Moore's work is a complete success. An artist can never have total control over the total audience's reaction. The fact that audiences are responding at all, let alone 20 years later, is a testament to Moore's success. Dude, what the snork does pro wrestling have to do with this? If you are trying to say that not everything is good v. bad, then you kind of are missing the point yourself. Wrestling isn't just good guys and bad guys. You can like whoever you want in pro wrestling as well. Basically everything you stated can be applied to wrestling. I mean once we had the Attitude Era and the rise of tweeners and heels that have a sense of good and faces with a disregard to the rules, the lines of wrestling have been blurred. *sigh* never mind.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 8, 2009 12:45:27 GMT -5
Veidt was an assclown. That's undebatable. But an assclown with good intentions... In his own mind.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 8, 2009 12:46:57 GMT -5
Dude, what the snork does pro wrestling have to do with this? If you are trying to say that not everything is good v. bad, then you kind of are missing the point yourself. Wrestling isn't just good guys and bad guys. You can like whoever you want in pro wrestling as well. Basically everything you stated can be applied to wrestling. I mean once we had the Attitude Era and the rise of tweeners and heels that have a sense of good and faces with a disregard to the rules, the lines of wrestling have been blurred. *sigh* never mind. Fine if you want to be that way. I'm just saying. You are implying that pro-wrestling is cut and dry, and I'm stating that it isn't, by using the same reasons you say Watchmen isn't cut and dry.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Mar 8, 2009 12:58:02 GMT -5
The weekend estimate for Watchmen is $55.6 Million.
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Post by Mr Potato God on Mar 8, 2009 13:01:02 GMT -5
Fine if you want to be that way. I'm just saying. You are implying that pro-wrestling is cut and dry, and I'm stating that it isn't, by using the same reasons you say Watchmen isn't cut and dry. Difference is in the intention. Think about how wrestling bookers' work might differ from Alan Moore's. I don't want to derail the thread. In my opinion, wrestling works best when there are very clearly defined faces and heels.
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