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Post by The Deadly Snake on May 11, 2005 23:37:28 GMT -5
Benoit rocks. He is one the best WWE wrestlers have, along with Kurt Angle, Lance Storm, and Chris Jericho.
Benoit, however, doesn't really belong in the WWE; Benoit can't hold himself on the mic. Nor does he have the charisma. He is a ring wrestler first, and entertainment wrestler second.
Benoit can brawl a bit, power wrestle very well for his size, can mat wrestle, do submissions and chain wrestle. I can't ask much more a total pure wrestling package.
However, his lack of charisma and mic skills, even after these 5 years in WWE, is glaring.
This is a testament on how bad he is in that area, but it also a show on how he good he is in the ring; he got over by just using his ring skills. In sports entertainment. I think that's quite a feat.
However, if Benoit does suck NOW, he never really sucked before. Anyone and everyone who has watched much of his pre-WWE stuff can pretty see how good he is the ring.
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Post by hbkismyherostill on May 12, 2005 0:06:43 GMT -5
I think it is Y2J. He definitely needs a change. How did a guy just three years ago was the Undisputed Champion challenge a youngster for the IC Title? He was absolutely boring and his insults to Shelton Benjamin were lame. I never ever thought I would write that about Y2J. How true....all of his insutls for the past year or so have been lame...and hes been in my top 3 favs ever....um forever.
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Post by Rorschach on May 12, 2005 0:51:24 GMT -5
How true....all of his insutls for the past year or so have been lame...and hes been in my top 3 favs ever....um forever. Yeah, Jericho IS stale, but at least his schtick varies from opponent to opponent..... Unlike someone else I could name, whose bellicose roaring starts off every RAW no matter what. Talk about stale, stale, stale! "I am the Game" this, and "10X World Champ" that.... What a waste of Tv time THAT guy is.....
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Post by foghornleghorn on May 12, 2005 2:07:25 GMT -5
You know, I think Benoit could use a manager, like...Ric Flair, since HHH doesn't really need anyone to do his talking for him but Benoit really does, and they could use the WCW connection or something. However, I don't see how they could solve the problem of him not being able to adapt to WWE type wrestling other than relaxing the safe style a bit.
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Post by The Happnin' Mojo on May 12, 2005 9:46:57 GMT -5
He's not really beloved. People just pop when they seem him execute his allegedly enthralling Paint-By-Numbers GeneriMatch live. Oh, and RVD could easily turn heel with something similar to Foley's ECW gimmick of refusing to do anything high-risk or violent at all and go for headlocks constantly. LEt him promo with a few "I'm too good for you, you don't deserve to see my amazing arsenal of moves on free TV blah blah blah" promos and it's not hard for him to become hated. Gee, that was hard. There's one idea. There's plenty of others. That's all well and good but it's not really your idea, is it Jeannie Bomb........
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Post by jennie on May 12, 2005 10:22:50 GMT -5
That's all well and good but it's not really your idea, is it Jeannie Bomb........ You mean Jennie. And I didn't claim it was my idea. I said it was an idea. Big difference.
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Post by The Happnin' Mojo on May 12, 2005 10:26:46 GMT -5
You mean Jennie. And I didn't claim it was my idea. I said it was an idea. Big difference. Relax Jeannie, was a Simpsons joke........
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Post by theshriekingshiek on May 12, 2005 11:16:04 GMT -5
Maybe Stone Cold should make an appearance & call Benoit boring leading to a whole host of hilarious stituations.
I say Triple H for obvious reasons, but he can easily fix that by altering his character a bit.
Why hasn't anybody said Taker is stale or when he came back for a while, Hogan. Like RVD they get the pops for their spots, Taker should reitre & maybe wrestle on appearances like Hogan.
I don't think RVD's stale & he could turn heel, if he savagedly beat a big babyface on his return or something.
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Post by Schemer on May 12, 2005 11:28:39 GMT -5
Sadly, Benoit needs a character overhaul.
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Post by bigdangerousdan on May 12, 2005 11:29:41 GMT -5
The Undertaker.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 12, 2005 15:19:16 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler . . . . no one is more stale . . . period!
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Post by tripleh on May 12, 2005 15:21:07 GMT -5
Jerry Lawler . . . . no one is more stale . . . period! True they need to get a new annoucer for RAW. Lawler NEVER makes me laugh. His humor is dated. His outfits are gay. There is NOTHING entertaining about Lawler.
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Post by The Happnin' Mojo on May 12, 2005 15:23:41 GMT -5
True they need to get a new annoucer for RAW. Lawler NEVER makes me laugh. His humor is dated. His outfits are gay. There is NOTHING entertaining about Lawler. Well he did make me laugh when he pointed out that the only American in a La Resistance vs Tajiri/Regal was Conway....but it would be better if he became more heelish and lightened up on the puppies crap.
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Post by tripleh on May 12, 2005 15:26:25 GMT -5
Well he did make me laugh when he pointed out that the only American in a La Resistance vs Tajiri/Regal was Conway....but it would be better if he became more heelish and lightened up on the puppies crap. Yeah, his whole pervert schtick is creepy. They really need to find somebody who can be REAL HEELISH. I just have no fun listening to 2 babyface annoucers. Heenan and Monsoon was perfect.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on May 12, 2005 17:38:03 GMT -5
You know, I think Benoit could use a manager, like...Ric Flair, since HHH doesn't really need anyone to do his talking for him but Benoit really does, and they could use the WCW connection or something. However, I don't see how they could solve the problem of him not being able to adapt to WWE type wrestling other than relaxing the safe style a bit. Yeah, Benoit's not going to improve mic wise. He has had his chances, and everytime he's flopped on the mic. Ric Flair would be a great choice. Flair can't really wrestle like he used to, but his mic skills and charisma are still huge.
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Post by jennie on May 12, 2005 17:46:27 GMT -5
The thing about Benoit is that he has charisma, but he's no orator. When used in a way that maximises his strengths whilst minimising his deficiencies, he's actually pretty entertaining out of the ring.
Benoit in the ring with a mic = Bad.
Benoit backstage participating in a short segment = Good.
It ain't rocket science, people.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on May 12, 2005 17:53:34 GMT -5
I agree about the stale commentary on RAW.... I thought the tandem of JR and Paul Heyman was gold. JR was the straight-laced play by play man, Heyman was the obnoxious windbag who added color and flavor to the team.
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Post by 'Foretold' Joker on May 12, 2005 18:02:17 GMT -5
I'd rather Tazz was on raw . . . or they tried someone fresh on raw . . . they have Dibiase they could use him .. . .
Heyman was just an obnoxious windbag . . . he had no flavour or colour . . .
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Post by Hollywood Cthulhu on May 12, 2005 18:52:59 GMT -5
Yeah, if only there was some ready made money making angle, that could involve both Flair and Benoit... Y'know, like they had some sort of past association in some sort of wrestling stable that was realy crazy over with the fans...
Then they could do some kind of super intense gimmick match where a heel stable could go up against a face group, and the winner gets to eat graham crackers and marshmellows dipped in chocolate...
They could call it Smore Games!!
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Post by Rorschach on May 12, 2005 19:00:04 GMT -5
Lawler/JR REALLY needs to go.....I mean, they were the color team of the 90's, and now it's time for the color team for the 00's.
I say The Coach and Joey Styles....eventually. First just get the frig rid of Lawler and his creepy come ons, and bring in Joey Styles to learn at the feet of ol JR. Then, you bring in the Coach to finally update the color tandem, and add the heelish part of the equation.
Either way, hearing Lawler make suggestive comments to girls who are young enough to be his daughter is damn creepy, and not a bit funny, IMHO.
Even better, they could fire Lawler and bring in Piper on color. THAT would rule!
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