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Post by 10DollarNoseBleed on May 6, 2005 16:41:06 GMT -5
Anyone know the actual time when this whole safe style started? I mean the beginning of 2003 (Angle v. Benoit/Brock) really don't fit into the current safe style of the WWE. Is it around the time of WM XIX that the wrestlers were told to tone it down? I was out of wrestling from Summerslam 2000 to about Armageddon 2002, where I became an avid follower again, so I really don't know if the whole safe style thing happened before I started watching again or after.
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Post by Amaru on May 6, 2005 16:42:14 GMT -5
I think it was right after or right before the PPV where Angle won the Title from Austin... Would be around September - November 2001
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Post by Asics Johnson on May 6, 2005 16:42:50 GMT -5
I think it started with the ban of the piledriver a couple of years back. It seems to have just spiraled from there.
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Post by havik on May 6, 2005 17:41:33 GMT -5
I think it started with the ban of the piledriver a couple of years back. It seems to have just spiraled from there. Same thing I thought. I think that after Austin got hurt with Owen's piledriver, Vince was not gonna allow that to happen anymore. Love him or hate him, Austin at the time he got hurt was WWE's biggest star. I dunno, it might also be the wrestler's own decision(Brock at 295lbs attempting a moonsault??) |
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Post by goshdangit on May 6, 2005 17:47:04 GMT -5
ya they realy, got hard core abt it in 2003-04 after kurt, rhyno, brock & baldcore got neck injury's... no more belly too belly's (except a couple from kurt on guy's who know how too sell it like eddie), no more brainbuster's, no more neck submision's, the crippler chinlock  , ect ect |
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Post by 10DollarNoseBleed on May 6, 2005 17:47:54 GMT -5
I dunno, it might also be the wrestler's own decision(Brock at 295lbs attempting a moonsault??) It was actually a SSP. I think the moonsault would have probably been better. Too bad Brock didn't hit the SSP, would have been one of the best finishes to a WM ever. |
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Post by vitamink on May 6, 2005 17:51:54 GMT -5
I actually like the "safe style." It makes the high spots and "banned" moves a lot more special.
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Post by 10DollarNoseBleed on May 6, 2005 17:58:33 GMT -5
I actually like the "safe style." Are you on drugs? |
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Post by invaderdave on May 6, 2005 18:07:28 GMT -5
I'll admit to some certain wrestlers being able to adapt to the safe style and do very well for themselves (Rey Rey, other guys...somebody...that one guy...) but for the most part, I don't like having to look all over the internet and having to pay to see a g-damn piledriver and a brainbuster.
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Post by propaganda on May 6, 2005 22:53:32 GMT -5
I think it started with the ban of the piledriver a couple of years back. It seems to have just spiraled from there. Yeah, I think you're right. After Owen botched the driver on Austin, it did tone down a bit, but I believe Undertaker still used use the Inverted (Tombstone) for a bit afterwards. |
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Post by WWE Trademarked My Name on May 6, 2005 23:02:51 GMT -5
I actually agree with the safe style is somewhat good because the fans are able to cherish those "deadly" moves when they see them. I don't like it but if you don't want the safe style don't watch the WWE. Theres TNA, ROH and plenty of Indies out there
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Post by propaganda on May 6, 2005 23:05:25 GMT -5
I actually agree with the safe style is somewhat good because the fans are able to cherish those "deadly" moves when they see them. When do they see them? How often do you see RVD doing a VanDaminator or VanTerminator? How many times did Tazz use a Release Tiger Suplex? Face it, the safe style sucks.  |
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Post by HMARK Center on May 6, 2005 23:08:06 GMT -5
It works in the sense that WWE wrestlers do have very long schedules, and are almost all signed to guranteed money contracts; hence, they want to protect their "investments".
Where it doesn't make sense is that these banned moves and whatnot NEVER seemed to be used. Ever. It doesn't make them more special if you never actually use them.
I just wish I could hear the rationale behind not allowing experienced, talented, sound ring technicians to utilize ring psychology as much as they're capable of, since I can't remember the last time I turned on WWE (granted, those instances are more rare these days) and saw any kind of a special leg, neck, arm, back, etc. submission attempt. It's all about the chinlock these days, it seems.
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Post by doubleyou on May 6, 2005 23:11:35 GMT -5
There's always been a 'WWE Style', but the safe style really hit hard in 2004 after WrestleMania XX. From around WrestleMania XIX to WrestleMania XX, the safe style was building up and becoming more strict, but after WrestleMania XX, only the ultra-talented could make good use from the safe style.
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Post by KLRA on May 6, 2005 23:13:50 GMT -5
What do you think was going through the heads of Vince backstage during the main event of WMXX? I bet he was channelling Joey Styles...
"OH MY GOD! HE'S MOONSAULTING OFF THE TOP! THAT'S NOT SAFE!"
and then...
"OH MY GOD! THAT'S A ROLLING CROSSFACE! AND IT'S NOT ON THE NECK!!!"
Why do you think Vince hates cruisers so much? They don't work "safe."
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Post by propaganda on May 6, 2005 23:17:16 GMT -5
Why do you think Vince hates cruisers so much? They don't work "safe." Then why does he keep signing the best talent and not using them? (see Dean Malenko, Ultimo Dragon). |
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Post by KLRA on May 6, 2005 23:19:32 GMT -5
So other companys can't use them, duh. |
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Post by Mr. Zombie on May 6, 2005 23:27:45 GMT -5
It started to happen when they bought out WCW I think. All of a sudden, they don't have to do high risk crazy spots because there is no competition. People are going to watch anyways, so you may as well protect your "investments". I also think injuries piling up in the hardcore division, and guys getting their necks broken all the ime led to this also. Why have guys risking their necks doing insane moves when there's no competition. Fan desensitization also led to this....lots of factors, but I think the biggest was the buyout of all the competitors, and not really needing to do huge spots anymore, so why not play it safe and keep your workers safe so they can work more matches and be of more value to the company.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 7, 2005 0:53:51 GMT -5
I just wish that, if they didn't want to work a highspot style, then at least work a psychological style.
It's been ages since I've seen a good psychological match in WWE. I'm sure there've been a few that I've missed, but they're way to far and in between. Good mat work, storytelling, submissions, flash pins, ANYTHING would be nice.
Having a five minute staredown before a match starts does not equate to psychology, either.
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Post by wingeater on May 7, 2005 1:02:25 GMT -5
It started soon after the Owen Hart piledriver. Undertaker was forced to use the Last Ride and chokeslam. Billy Gunn had to come up with the famaser, he used to use a regular piledriver. I'm sure there are many others as well.
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