World title vs. Heavyweight title - What's the dif

[psy]

Seriously. Isn't the heavyweight title the WORLD heavyweight title since it is also defended all over the WORLD?

I don't understand the difference between these two titles other than that for one, they are different names, and two, the heavyweight title has gone to some people it back in the day normally never would have (Cena, Eddie). So the heavyweight title is ranked below the World title I guess that's a given....then what is the damn purpose of it in the first place?

It's just friggin confusing.

Edit: The purpose of it outside of giving Smackdown a champion, anyway.

[goshdangit]

world = wwf/e (the small one that use too have the eagle on it), now used, smackdown only

world heavyweght = belt "created" by bishof first given too trip's, its suppose too be the wcw/nwa title that flair won so many time's, raw only

the heavyweght title is worth more right now b/c raw is, the "a show" & sd is the "b show"...

smaller guy's have won, the world title b/c theres less hoss's w/backstage stroke on sd, and one of the guy's w/the most stroke, kurt angle, is a smaller guy

[Lance Uppercut]

well there's no difference really, just need a specific name for the titles aside from "The smackdown/Raw belt". Makes sense, Brock ran off with the Undisputed title which reverted back to WWe title and Bischoff brought back the World title since he's probably the most associated with Wcw and obviously they don't want to call it the WcW title when the company is now just a memory.

Don't want people to get confused when they have double shows and they list two guys as heavyweight or World Champion.

And it was like that when both companies were going strong. Not just the Heavyweight title, it's the WWF/E heavyweight title (so it's the World Wrestling Federation HeavyweightTitle) and Wcw refered to their belt as the World title more than WcW title at times.

[andre28bc]

See this is exactly why they need to:

1) End the craptastic brand extension

and

2) Get rid of ALL the belts except for a World Title, the IC title and the Tag titles.

[goshdangit]

Andre28BC said:

See this is exactly why they need to:

1) End the craptastic brand extension

and

2) Get rid of ALL the belts except for a World Title, the IC title and the Tag titles.

but, like we alway's say, this woud mean that hunter woud NEVER drop the strap, and guy's like angle woud be, chasing the ic strap while guys like shelton might just get totally jobbed out...also the travel schedule woud be, even worse

any way wwe make's to much money on show's for both brand's so no, there not gona combine the brand's any time soon...but if they do draft's more often (like ever 18 month's too 2 year's) that coud help keep thing's interesting...

[andre28bc]

You're right, 100% right. But it's just flustrating as a fan to have so many freakin belts. I know they are props, but damn, they have so little meaning when there are so many different ones. In a perfect world, I would also go back to 5 PPVs a year and let angles build for months on end, but I'm living in a dream world.

[jaguarshark]

there is no 'world title'

There is Smackdowns WWE Championship... the holder is the champion of the entire WWE, BUT not champion of the world!

and there is Raws World Heavyweight Championship... the holder is champion of the entire world, BUT not champion of WWE

so both titles are completely seperate, neither is more prestegious... and everything makes COMPLETE sense.


or maybe it doesnt

[morningside]

WWE Heavyweight Title = WWF, WWE, WCW, and NWA lineage, former undisputed championship, just renamed

World Heavyweight Title = HHH Vanity Belt, no lineage except for its creation (what a few years ago?), and as I see it no real worth as a main title. Now if it was won after a tournament by HHH I'd give it more credit IMO, but since it was just handed over for HHH to skeet, skeet, skeet all over with little or no fanfare its worthless IMO.

[KLRA]

On the WWE's website when you look up title histories, the WWE championship is the one Sammartino, Hogan, HBK, Hart, etc had.

The World Heavyweight one only starts it's "official" liniage at HHH.

Interesting...

[mainsupreme]

it would only make sense if they had one undisputed title.
that the one who holds the raw gold faces the smackdown champ at wrestlemania, summerslam en sur. series
that would rule

just imagine:

the champ is here!!!! the champ is he....

**spinebuster (from hell ) demon bomb**

bah gawd, the animal is the undiputed champion!!! ;D

[The Happnin' Mojo]

JMorningside said:

Now if it was won after a tournament by HHH I'd give it more credit IMO, but since it was just handed over for HHH to skeet, skeet, skeet all over with little or no fanfare its worthless IMO.

So white people finally figured out what that meant huh?


Nah, it's just two seperate belts for two seperate brands. The original one was given to Lesnar to get him over and the other to Trips to do as he pleased.
Though it was a little odd that Bischoff just gives it to Trips with no tournament. Didn't Bischoff make that belt because Stephanie said that she bought Lesnar out and that the championship is now exclusive to SD ? That's all I remember and then the next week Bischoff gives Trips the belt......just seems a little odd.

[Two-Time Champ Darth Violence]

Let's see...you have Bischoff presiding over a company that has the Big Gold Belt as it's title belt, the announcers sit over by the entrance ramp, and people are playing backstage politics and getting nepotism pushes.

Are we sure that WCW died?

['Foretold' Joker]

Let's see...you have Bischoff presiding over a company that has the Big Gold Belt as it's title belt, the announcers sit over by the entrance ramp, and people are playing backstage politics and getting nepotism pushes.

Are we sure that WCW died?

so true . . .

I don't consider anybody who's won the raw belt a true champ . . . .cause the real one is on smackdown . .. .

[Lance Uppercut]

Would anybody be happier if they just said HHH won the belt somewhere and then gave it to him? I mean seriously, I never hear anyone say this about, and I wonder what was the reaction back then, when the Intercontinental title was just handed to Pat Patterson. It was given a good worker at the time, who was probably over, and they built the lineage from the ground up.

I was a bit saddened that they don't consider the world title the ex-wcw title anymore but then I guess they'd have go into that whole nwa thing, and that'll be confusing seeing as how TnA has the true NWA title right now, even though it was originally replaced by the big gold belt for flair.

[phentari]

I'm frankly a little surprised they DIDN'T have Trips win the title in a tournament. I mean, c'mon, it's not like there was actually a risk of him losing--if you're going to portray him as the Alpha Male Heel of Heels, why NOT add legitimacy to his shiny new title by having him plow his way through the Raw elite to claim it?

[hack1981]

The only thing that bugs me about the Raw championship is that it's the "WWE World Championship," AKA the "World Wrestling Entertainment World Championship." They use "World" twice! Didn't anyone notice that when coming up for a name for the new title? Of course, I'm sure I'm probably the only one who's annoyed by something so trivial.

Personally, I think they should just call the titles the Raw Championship and Smackdown Championship, since that's what they really are anyway. It would just make things simpler.

[Ozman]

Personally I think that the 'Big Gold Belt' has been a bit of a joke for the last fifteen years. Let's look back at the history of the 'Big Gold Belt':


-Ric Flair started wearing it in 1985, replacing the previous version of the NWA World title belt.

-In January of 1991 the belt was renamed the WCW World title, even though the NWA still reconized that belt as the NWA World title.

-In July of 1991, Ric Flair was fired from WCW. Jim Herd refused to give Flair back his twenty five thousand dollar deposit on the belt, so Flair kept the belt instead. WCW began using a different belt as it's World Title, while the NWA still recognized the 'Big Gold' as it's World Title.

-In September of 1991, Flair signed with the World Wrestling Federation. The NWA stripped Flair of it's World Title, but Flair kept the belt and debut it on WWF television as the 'Real World's Championship' (worthless title #1)

-Sometime in the fall of 1991, WCW forces the WWF to stop using the 'Big Gold' on their television programs. WCW eventually gives Flair back his deposit (with interest) and the belt is returned to the possession of WCW.

-In August of 1992, Masahiro Chono wins a tournament for the vacant NWA championship. The 'Big Gold Belt' returns to WCW television.

-In September of 1993, WCW withdraws from the NWA. Ric Flair is stripped of the NWA Title once again. The problem this time is WCW has several months of pre recorded television programs with Rick Rude wearing the Big Gold belt (Rude was scheduled to defeat Flair for the NWA title). WCW simply renames the belt the 'generic' World Heavyweight Championship (worthless title #2), the 'Big Gold Belt' (worthless title #3), and the WCW International World Championship (worthless title #4).

-In June of 1994, WCW World Champion Ric Flair defeats WCW International World Champ Sting to 'unify' the two titles. WCW immediately begins to use the Big Gold Belt for their World Title.

-In the August of 1996, Hollywood Hogan defeats the Giant for the WCW World title. This is his first title reign as a member of the nWo, and Hogan begin spray painting the letters 'nWo' on the Big Gold belt, which lowers the prestige of the belt a little bit IMHO.

-On January 4, 1999, the infamous 'Finger Poke Of Doom' title change took place, which made the belt even more worthless.

-In the year 2000, the WCW World title changed hands no less than 18 times, with the belt being worn by guys like David Arquette and Vince Russo, among others. Those two men alone made the WCW world title a big joke.

-On March 26 2001, Booker T defeats Scott Steiner for the WCW World Championship. Vince McMahon announces that he has purchased WCW on that same day. The WCW title became totally worthless on that day IMHO, simply because WCW ceased to exist anymore. Therefore the WCW title reigns of The Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and Booker T's fifth title reign don't really mean anything because the WCW Title was nothing more than a prop belt used in during the invasion angle.

-On November 18, 2001, Team WWF defeats The WCW/ECW Alliance, thus retiring the WCW name. The Rock's Big Gold belt is renamed the World Heavyweight Championship (worthless title # 5).

-On December 9, 2001, Chris Jericho defeats both The Rock & Steve Austin to become the first ever 'Undisputed Champion'. The Big Gold belt become a prop belt once again, mostly to support Jericho's 'Undisputed Title Reign'.

-In April of 2002, HHH is presented with the brand new 'Undisputed' World Championship belt, retiring the Big Gold belt.

On September 2, 2002 Raw GM Eric Bishoff presents HHH with the Big Gold Belt after Undisputed Champion Brock Lesnar signs exclusively to SmackDown. The Big Gold is called the 'World Heavyweight Championship'. Originally I looked at this championship as 'worthless title # 6' for the Big Gold belt, but I've come to accept this title as Raw's version of the World title.


So there you have it. The Big Gold belt has been used no less than five times for nothing more than a prop belt. Yet fans seem to love that belt for whatever reason. IMHO, that belt became nothing more than a prop the day Ric Flair showed up with it as 'The Real World Championship' in 1991. Promoters seem to view it as some kind of multi purpose belt whenever they need to create a new title.

[acsurf3]

There's quite a big difference. The World Title stands for tradition. Some of the greatest of all time(minus Duthdee)Rhodes, have held that title at one time or another,Race,Windham, Luger,Flair, Hogan, Savage, Sting. All stand for traditon for the wrestling business.

[mainsupreme]

-In the August of 1996, Hollywood Hogan defeats the Giant for the WCW World title. This is his first title reign as a member of the nWo, and Hogan begin spray painting the letters 'nWo' on the Big Gold belt, which lowers the prestige of the belt a little bit IMHO.



well at least he didn't make it spin......

[Ozman]

mainsupreme said:

-In the August of 1996, Hollywood Hogan defeats the Giant for the WCW World title. This is his first title reign as a member of the nWo, and Hogan begin spray painting the letters 'nWo' on the Big Gold belt, which lowers the prestige of the belt a little bit IMHO.



well at least he didn't make it spin......

He didn't, but in his defense, at least Cena didn't deface the actual physical belt. He had his own belt custom made (like Stone Cold did with his smoking skull belt). Hogan on the other hand took the ACTUAL belt worn by guys like Ric Flair, Rick Steamboat, and Sting, and painted graffiti on it. This somewhat made that BELT less prestigious IMHO. Had Hogan had a CUSTOM nWo belt made, maybe things would be a little different. But my comments were reffering to the actual Big Gold Belt itself, and not title lineage.