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Post by The Genesis of KoOS on Feb 8, 2009 3:15:14 GMT -5
Austin going in to the Hall in two months .... Jericho gets attacked by an angry (possibly drunken) mob....  REVENGE! I don't even remember that pic, when was that? I'm guessing somewhere in 2003 when I wasn't watching as regularly. Yeah, it led up to Team Austin vs. Team Bischoff at the Survivor Series. |
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Post by MGH on Feb 8, 2009 3:15:21 GMT -5
Austin going in to the Hall in two months .... Jericho gets attacked by an angry (possibly drunken) mob.... REVENGE! I don't even remember that pic, when was that? I'm guessing somewhere in 2003 when I wasn't watching as regularly. Yep, Summer/Fall of 03 when Austin was co-general manager of Raw. |
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Post by majesty on Feb 8, 2009 3:16:55 GMT -5
*hopes no one made this joke yet* That wasn't the first time he punched a woman! He's just lucky he didn't insult anyone's chaps. Jericho vs. Drunk Angry Inbred Loser at WM25! The Rourke thing was just to set him up as a manager. What does Rourke have to do with the punched girl's boyfriend? Eh, three out of four ain't bad. |
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Post by shaken on Feb 8, 2009 3:17:14 GMT -5
Jericho is a professional wrestler, paid to enact physical violence. I think he acted quite professionally.
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Post by Slim Loves Lily on Feb 8, 2009 3:20:11 GMT -5
Good for Jericho.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Feb 8, 2009 3:20:44 GMT -5
Well, to my way of viewing things, if you put your hands on someone or their property (even if it is rented, it is under their care), don't be surprised if they start swinging.
And with a mob like that, you never know what they might do. Sometimes it's best not to wait around and find out.
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Post by Jay-Jay on Feb 8, 2009 3:23:36 GMT -5
Alot of you call Jericho's professionalism into question, but the mob are getting a free pass for their lack of decorum. Jericho was being professional and it wasn't working as the mob were just egging the situation on. I don't think anyone was giving the mob a free pass. I called them morons and so did everyone else who questioned Jericho's way of handling things. My biggest problem was that some are making Jericho out to be a total victim in this. I don't get how Jericho ISN'T a victim here... he had 50 fans jumping on his car (rental car or not) and when he gets out to address them, he gets hit - not once, but TWICE. the f***ing skank deserved it. He won't lose a single penny, THEY CHASED HIM. He didn't chase them. Self defence all the way. Man or woman, she could have had anything in her hand. |
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Post by MrBRulzOK on Feb 8, 2009 3:25:15 GMT -5
Lemme ask you people blaming Jericho something. If you were assaulted by a mob from out of nowhere, would you just stand there and take it in stride while they beat the living crap out of you, possibly putting you in the hospital or perhaps even worse? Or would you rather defend yourself so that you can hopefully avoid a trip to the hospital?
Unless you're a complete pacifist, than I guarantee that you will choose option B.
Maybe Jericho did go a bit far at the end, but honestly that's not his fault. When you are being assaulted by an enraged group of people, you honestly don't have time to think about your actions before you perform them. That is, unless you want to get your lights knocked out while you're trying to think of a nonviolent solution.
And whose to say that staying in the car would have made things any better? Like people are saying, if he had done that, there's the possibility that they could have just tried and pulled the door open. And really, would you have rather had him just speed off and accidentally plow right through some unlucky fan with his vehicle? Personally, I'm in the mindset that a black eye and a few bruises are much better than a fatality.
Security is of course at fault as well, but really, like people are saying, everyone is to blame in this situation. Security for not stepping in before things escalated, the fans for being stupid enough to provoke Jericho in the first place, and yes... even Jericho for going too far after socking that girl who clearly deserved to get some sense knocked into her.
This is just my whole stance on this situation though. Feel free to think however you like.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 8, 2009 3:27:44 GMT -5
Quite frankly I see no reason Jericho shouldn't have been afraid for his life. The thing about mobs is they tend to compound upon themselves. The actions of a few soon infect the many. The small actions increase unto bigger and bigger actions. From all I've seen and read here, this is exactly what was happening.
You have to think. These are people willing to get in the way of a car. Something that could run them right over. If they are willing to risk that much injury upon themselves, there is no telling what they are capable of. Once they start pushing, slamming doors, slamming the car, yelling, Jericho doesn't know what's going to happen. You have to protect yourself. Jericho doesn't know if one of them has a knife or a gun. He doesn't know if the whole mob is about to go berzerk (and don't tell me there was no indication they were, as I repeat, swarming a car is not a sane action) or not. The situation was literally getting worse by the second it seems and he had to protect himself before it could have been to late. If he waited until he was held down by someone, or until someone pulled out a weapon then it would have been to late. Jericho did what he had to do by controling the situation as best as he could before the situation controlled him. His only other choise would have been to run people over, and then he likely would have killed someone.
Let's not talk with a moral superiority by saying we are better than him and never would have done that. Fear and adreniline are mighty things, and they are called self defense mechanisms for a reason. B Natural put it greatly in that once you are that far, once your self preservation mode has kicked in, you don't have time to stop and analyze each and every threat level from each person.
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Post by majesty on Feb 8, 2009 3:29:30 GMT -5
Quite frankly I see no reason Jericho shouldn't have been afraid for his life. The thing about mobs is they tend to compound upon themselves. The actions of a few soon infect the many. The small actions increase unto bigger and bigger actions. From all I've seen and read here, this is exactly what was happening. You have to think. These are people willing to get in the way of a car. Something that could run them right over. If they are willing to risk that much injury upon themselves, there is no telling what they are capable of. Once they start pushing, slamming doors, slamming the car, yelling, Jericho doesn't know what's going to happen. You have to protect yourself. Jericho doesn't know if one of them has a knife or a gun. He doesn't know if the whole mob is about to go berzerk (and don't tell me there was no indication they were, as I repeat, swarming a car is not a sane action) or not. The situation was literally getting worse by the second it seems and he had to protect himself before it could have been to late. If he waited until he was held down by someone, or until someone pulled out a weapon then it would have been to late. Let's not talk with a moral superiority by saying we are better than him and never would have done that. Fear and adreniline are mighty things, and they are called self defense mechanisms for a reason. Yep. That's why I don't really blame the mob either, even if I call them stupid (which isn't a blanket statement for all fans, by the way). Security exists to prevent mobs, and to me they're the first people on the chain of miscommunication. |
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 8, 2009 3:31:24 GMT -5
Quite frankly I see no reason Jericho shouldn't have been afraid for his life. The thing about mobs is they tend to compound upon themselves. The actions of a few soon infect the many. The small actions increase unto bigger and bigger actions. From all I've seen and read here, this is exactly what was happening. You have to think. These are people willing to get in the way of a car. Something that could run them right over. If they are willing to risk that much injury upon themselves, there is no telling what they are capable of. Once they start pushing, slamming doors, slamming the car, yelling, Jericho doesn't know what's going to happen. You have to protect yourself. Jericho doesn't know if one of them has a knife or a gun. He doesn't know if the whole mob is about to go berzerk (and don't tell me there was no indication they were, as I repeat, swarming a car is not a sane action) or not. The situation was literally getting worse by the second it seems and he had to protect himself before it could have been to late. If he waited until he was held down by someone, or until someone pulled out a weapon then it would have been to late. Let's not talk with a moral superiority by saying we are better than him and never would have done that. Fear and adreniline are mighty things, and they are called self defense mechanisms for a reason. Yep. That's why I don't really blame the mob either, even if I call them stupid (which isn't a blanket statement for all fans, by the way). Security exists to prevent mobs, and to me they're the first people on the chain of miscommunication. While security did not do their job in the least, you still have to blame the mob for their own actions. Security does not choose the actions of people and hold no accountability for their actions. They are only supposed to stop the actions of those that choose to do the wrong things. To say that the mob should not be held accountable for their actions, and should be allowed to do as they please, because security was lackluster is a very flawed train of logic. That would be like saying murderers are not to be blamed for their actions because the police weren't good enough to stop them. The mob basically backed Jericho into a corner. In the intrest of self preservation he basically had to options: Fight or Run. |
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Post by majesty on Feb 8, 2009 3:34:21 GMT -5
Yep. That's why I don't really blame the mob either, even if I call them stupid (which isn't a blanket statement for all fans, by the way). Security exists to prevent mobs, and to me they're the first people on the chain of miscommunication. While security did not do their job in the least, you still have to blame the mob for their own actions. Security does not choose the actions of people and hold no accountability for their actions. They are only supposed to stop the actions of those that choose to do the wrong things. I don't disagree there, but things do escalate a bit with people in large groups. One dumb fan can easily pancake into an entire civilized group becoming savage. There's nothing ok about what they're doing, but it's supposed to be their job to keep them from becoming that heated. What stops the entire collective audience at house show or even a RAW/Smackdown from storming the ring? After all, they outnumber the security by a big margin. The answer is legitimate authority, and unfortunately they failed at that. So to elaborate, the people doing the initial insulting + the security. You're right, I forgot about them being at fault.  |
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Feb 8, 2009 3:35:49 GMT -5
While security did not do their job in the least, you still have to blame the mob for their own actions. Security does not choose the actions of people and hold no accountability for their actions. They are only supposed to stop the actions of those that choose to do the wrong things. I don't disagree there, but things do escalate a bit with people in large groups. One dumb fan can easily pancake into an entire civilized group becoming savage. There's nothing ok about what they're doing, but it's supposed to be their job to keep them from becoming that heated. What stops the entire collective audience at house show or even a RAW/Smackdown from storming the ring? After all, they outnumber the security by a big margin. The answer is legitimate authority, and unfortunately they failed at that. So to elaborate, the people doing the initial insulting + the security. You're right, I forgot about them being at fault. I do agree with you that security deserves a ton of heat for this. A TON. They could have stopped, or at least contained, this situation but they failed to do their jobs. In the least they should have created a possibility for Jericho to escape then dealt with it themselves. They should all lose their jobs for this quite frankly. They let a mob that was containable get to an unruly point, and they let a person get in a lot of danger in the process. |
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Feb 8, 2009 3:36:55 GMT -5
I think Jericho should have just stayed in the car, but I don't know, it's a tricky situation. Although seriously what is with those people? Show some respect, like what moron bang on someones car or stand in front of it. These are grown men and women, like WTF. Jericho might have been in the wrong, but him just kicking ass makes him that much more awesome to me and I would think the same thing even it wasn't Jericho.
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Post by funkycm on Feb 8, 2009 3:42:05 GMT -5
As for the "a fan could have been armed" argument, aren't they searched for weapons and crap at house shows (never been to one so pardon my ignorance)? Armed with soda bottles, perhaps. Some yes,some no. I went to a house show last year and never got searched. Actually,I've only seen them do that at one of the old ECW on TNN tapings I went to. Every other show(including the Cyber Sunday PPV in Cincinnati),I've never been searched. I was at the show today, but not for the post show festivities some were searched, some weren't |
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Post by shaken on Feb 8, 2009 3:42:16 GMT -5
I think possibly that the security wasn't what it should be because this happened in the street. They don't have authority on the street. Security officers and companies are sued very often and that may have been hamstringed by that. Now that being said, if they were out there then imo they already commited themselves and should have done better.
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Post by majesty on Feb 8, 2009 3:59:15 GMT -5
I think possibly that the security wasn't what it should be because this happened in the street. They don't have authority on the street. Security officers and companies are sued very often and that may have been hamstringed by that. Now that being said, if they were out there then imo they already commited themselves and should have done better. If we are going to move in a direction where security isn't allowed on the streets, there needs to be security traveling with or accompanying the wrestlers. There's no way they can expect some of these performers to go on the streets without proper safety after some of the horror stories I've heard, this not being the first. |
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Post by Kevin's Thorn on Feb 8, 2009 4:06:59 GMT -5
None of this would have happened if Ralphfus was still around. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 8, 2009 4:12:12 GMT -5
Jericho is a professional wrestler, paid to enact physical violence. I think he acted quite professionally. Huh. Good point, sir.  |
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Post by ghettooverlord on Feb 8, 2009 4:14:56 GMT -5
Jericho is a professional wrestler, paid to enact physical violence. I think he acted quite professionally. I was gonna say this. Dude's job is to be perceived as a legitimate tough guy. Curling into a ball kinda kills that perception. I mean, the business was built on standing up to people who thought wrestling was fake. |
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