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Post by thedavefather on Mar 8, 2009 1:15:44 GMT -5
Taker means more to ME personally he is me second fav of all time after HBK. He for sure means more to the WWE then Flair, Taker is the most loyal well respected guy ever likely in WWE. As for wrestling in general, they are both pretty meaningful but Flair has to get the nod there.
And when Taker retires it will be one of the most epic moments in the history of Raw (assuming, ya ). Has to be better and bigger then Flairs. Maybe Bret could come out, The Rock, Foley, Snuka, Jake, Kane, Paul Bearer, Million Dollar Man, Austin, Flair, Kamula. Current roaster guys, Edge, Orton, HBK, Triple H, Batista. Just EPIC!
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Post by Cactus Jack on Mar 8, 2009 6:05:09 GMT -5
What everyone else has said. Undertaker means more to the 'E. Flair means more to wrestling in general.
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Post by VINTAGE GRIDLOCK! on Mar 8, 2009 6:34:06 GMT -5
for a send-off they should have the wrestlers line up either side of the aisle like the druids have done at some wrestlemanias, give him the guard of honour. maybe have Paul Bearer lead him down.
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Post by goodomens on Mar 8, 2009 6:42:50 GMT -5
I've always had somewhat of a corny finish for his career. The aisle is lined with wrestlers, agents and past superstars on each side; Taker comes out in full gimmick; lights; the whole nine, slowly walking past each wrestler who show their gratitude. He then gets into the ring, and everyone in the aisle clap and then give him the Undertaker respect pose on one knee; Taker then returns it to the superstars; lights go out; lightning crackle; they come back on; He's gone. The end. I like this alot. The thought of the whole roster down on one knee with Taker returning the gesture would be awesome. I think, though, that there needs to be some sort of special recognition for the guys who were most involved with him in-character...I'm thinking Kane, Mankind, HBK. And, of course, they HAVE to bring back Paul Bearer.
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Post by Beans on Mar 8, 2009 7:12:49 GMT -5
Takers loyalty to WWE is over-stated. Reality is that Vince holds what makes the Undertaker so appealing - the trademark of the character itself. I doubt if anyone at WCW would have been interested in paying millions of dollars for the honor of having "Mean" Mark headlining their PPVs
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Post by cactusrob on Mar 8, 2009 7:29:45 GMT -5
Takers loyalty to WWE is over-stated. Reality is that Vince holds what makes the Undertaker so appealing - the trademark of the character itself. I doubt if anyone at WCW would have been interested in paying millions of dollars for the honor of having "Mean" Mark headlining their PPVs That's crap. Both "Diesel" and "Razor Ramon" the characters were brought back to the WWE and were crapped all over without the right people behind the gimmicks, while the people behind the gimmicks went to WCW and made it huge. Whether as an Undertaker-like character, or any other way, WCW would have loved to have him.
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Post by Beans on Mar 8, 2009 7:34:20 GMT -5
Undertaker IS his gimmick unlike any other. Flair, Hogan, Nash, Bret, Shawn - all in many ways universial or generic gimmicks. Take the name and the gimmick away from UT and you've lost 90% of who is is and 90% of his appeal which is why I don't think WCW would have been that interested in signing him even if he did want to go, cetainly I don't see how you can justify paying millions for someone who's biggest asset by far is completely unuseable.
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Post by cactusrob on Mar 8, 2009 7:51:35 GMT -5
Undertaker IS his gimmick unlike any other. Flair, Hogan, Nash, Bret, Shawn - all in many ways universial or generic gimmicks. Take the name and the gimmick away from UT and you've lost 90% of who is is and 90% of his appeal which is why I don't think WCW would have been that interested in signing him even if he did want to go, cetainly I don't see how you can justify paying millions for someone who's biggest asset by far is completely unuseable. Eric Bischoff reportedly offered him a a multi-million contract more than once.
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Post by Beans on Mar 8, 2009 10:55:39 GMT -5
Undertaker IS his gimmick unlike any other. Flair, Hogan, Nash, Bret, Shawn - all in many ways universial or generic gimmicks. Take the name and the gimmick away from UT and you've lost 90% of who is is and 90% of his appeal which is why I don't think WCW would have been that interested in signing him even if he did want to go, cetainly I don't see how you can justify paying millions for someone who's biggest asset by far is completely unuseable. Eric Bischoff reportedly offered him a a multi-million contract more than once. Oh well,there you go, Rajah proof
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Post by sage on Mar 8, 2009 11:51:24 GMT -5
Takers loyalty to WWE is over-stated. Reality is that Vince holds what makes the Undertaker so appealing - the trademark of the character itself. I doubt if anyone at WCW would have been interested in paying millions of dollars for the honor of having "Mean" Mark headlining their PPVs Undertaker IS his gimmick unlike any other. Flair, Hogan, Nash, Bret, Shawn - all in many ways universial or generic gimmicks. Take the name and the gimmick away from UT and you've lost 90% of who is is and 90% of his appeal which is why I don't think WCW would have been that interested in signing him even if he did want to go, cetainly I don't see how you can justify paying millions for someone who's biggest asset by far is completely unuseable. Eric Bischoff reportedly offered him a a multi-million contract more than once. If any other wrestler tried to play the part of the Undertaker, would it have worked? Probably not... The whole imposter thing didn't go over well... And I doubt there are very many men who can match Mark Calaway's intensity. Just a close up of his eyes during a good long fight tells you this man is more than his Gimmic. He has great presence. So I'm not suprised Bischoff would make such an offer, as Mark Calaway could probably come up with another good gimmic that is as powerful as the Undertaker. A lot of the psychology behind Taker's intimidation techniques seems to be from Mark's own genius, not just part of the storylines. That aside, takeing Mark away from WWE would have been a good way for WCW to take down their competition a few notches. I remember all the kids in school wearing Undertaker t-shirts when I was kid... and he remained popular while other big sellers would only be popular for a year or two. Besides the publick persona, Mark Calaway plays a big role behind the scenes... We've heard in interviews about how he helps newer stars get over and how he keeps the superstars in line.... theoreticly without him WWE may have become stagnant at times, with superstars refuseing to loose to new up and comeing stars. With him, the WCW would have had a new advantage.
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Post by romafan87 on Mar 8, 2009 12:13:41 GMT -5
Kane should retire him. After the match, Kane should take off his ring gear, burn it all in a metal trash can, then give him a suit. After that he'll absorb The Undertaker's powers. That idea sounds strangely familiar...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 14:52:27 GMT -5
Eric Bischoff reportedly offered him a a multi-million contract more than once. Oh well,there you go, Rajah proof how about the proof that WCW was signing anyone and everyone to million dollar contracts at the time. if Taker wanted to leave the WWF and go to WCW he would have easily. there is no way WCW wouldn't've taken him if they had the chance.
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Post by Joekishi on Mar 8, 2009 15:47:20 GMT -5
Of course, literally built his entire legacy in WWE. Hell he represented WWE when he wrestled in AAA and in Michinoku Pro.
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Post by Cap'n Crud on Mar 8, 2009 19:11:15 GMT -5
Yes because Undertaker has spent the majority of his career including the peak of his popularity in WWF/WWE. Ric Flair had already made his fame elsewhere.
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Post by Vizier on Mar 8, 2009 19:11:45 GMT -5
When taker retires, he should have his druids strip off his wrestling trunks (he'd have underwear underneath), and then put them in a oil drum, then drop their torches in it to set them on fire, then hand him a business suit and have him walk out. The Druids absorb the power of The Undertaker, and Taker becomes Mark Calloway.
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Post by thesingularity on Mar 8, 2009 19:46:18 GMT -5
Taker always strikes me as the most kayfabe character.
As this is also about Flair, case and point was when he came out to pay his respects after Raw had gone off air.
What I find sad for Calloway, is due to the death connotations of his character, he is never (at least I have never seen him) appear on any WWE tribute programme to any wrestler that passed, which must be hard from his as the avowed 'locker room leader'.
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Post by wrestlesmarks on Mar 8, 2009 19:51:37 GMT -5
I'd say Undertaker meant more to WWE and wrestling as a whole, because WWE is american wrestling. Flair made his name wrestling in the 2nd tier companies while the Undertaker has always been main event at the big show. (not paul wight)
The list of importance should be.......
1.Hulk Hogan
2.Stone Cold and the Rock
3.Undertaker
4.Flair
*The distance between names represents the difference in popularity and marketablity.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 8, 2009 20:05:59 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Royal Rumble finish. All the heels...I mean ALL the HEELS, beat him down, lock him in a coffin. Jumbotron, shows "taker and he gives the " I will now rest in peace". His eyes close and its over. They could always have him locked in a casket and then led off by a gang of heels. A camera could show The Undertaker inside the casket, and he could give a farewell message before rising into the rafters and out of sight. So in other words, just do Royal Rumble '94 all over again? Why Not it's not like Marty Jannetty is doing anything
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Post by Hypnotix on Mar 8, 2009 20:29:39 GMT -5
In my opinion, Undertaker means more to Professional Wrestling than Ric Flair does. I never found Flair as entertaining as Flair. And the UT is a WWE icon. He's never left.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Mar 8, 2009 23:00:42 GMT -5
I agree with Undertaker meaning more to the WWE, but Ric Flair meaning more to wrestling as a whole.
I may be a bit biased about how I would like Taker to leave the WWE. I think somehow he should retire with the belt, and just dissapear. Then there could be a tournament to crown a new champion or something.
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