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Post by B.B.M on Jun 26, 2009 9:57:17 GMT -5
Reading other forums, makes me want to destory internet servers. These idiots, can hide behind their computer screens, and type all the crap they won't. But if they decide to do the joke on someplace like Twitter, they will be knocked down by everyone.
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Post by Dangery Scubba on Jun 26, 2009 9:58:24 GMT -5
Reading other forums, makes me want to destory internet servers. Same. That's why I've not ventured from here if I want to discuss MJ.
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 26, 2009 10:06:27 GMT -5
The BBC are showing footage of Jacko leaving a hospital a few days ago.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 26, 2009 10:12:21 GMT -5
Reading other forums, makes me want to destory internet servers. These idiots, can hide behind their computer screens, and type all the crap they won't. But if they decide to do the joke on someplace like Twitter, they will be knocked down by everyone. I think a lot of people don't see the point in sugarcoating the guy's (highly controversial) life and pretending he was perfect. He wasn't. I don't think he was guilty of what he was accused of, but, undoubtedly, the guy behaved oddly in his life, which is putting it midly and in recent years that overshadowed everything else. Come on, everyone sigs...it's all stuff from the eighties or early nineties. Most people want to gloss over the last few years of his life. The man was, quite frankly, seriously mentally ill in my opinion.
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 26, 2009 10:18:32 GMT -5
Reading other forums, makes me want to destory internet servers. These idiots, can hide behind their computer screens, and type all the crap they won't. But if they decide to do the joke on someplace like Twitter, they will be knocked down by everyone. I think a lot of people don't see the point in sugarcoating the guy's (highly controversial) life and pretending he was perfect. He wasn't. I don't think he was guilty of what he was accused of, but, undoubtedly, the guy behaved oddly in his life, which is putting it midly and in recent years that overshadowed everything else. Come on, everyone sigs...it's all stuff from the eighties or early nineties. Most people want to gloss over the last few years of his life. The man was, quite frankly, seriously mentally ill in my opinion. Look at LA, New York, Indiana, Twitter, even here. Nobody cares about his accusions, or what barmy stuff he did in life. We care about his influence on Music. That's why we're paying tribute. We are trying to think of the good times, we don't need reminders of his accusions. Do you think these accusions were going through people's minds when we bought tickets to see him live at the O2, and sold out the show? We knew he wasn't perfect, but he did alot of great things in his life. people are showing respect.
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 26, 2009 10:24:13 GMT -5
I think a lot of people don't see the point in sugarcoating the guy's (highly controversial) life and pretending he was perfect. He wasn't. I don't think he was guilty of what he was accused of, but, undoubtedly, the guy behaved oddly in his life, which is putting it midly and in recent years that overshadowed everything else. Come on, everyone sigs...it's all stuff from the eighties or early nineties. Most people want to gloss over the last few years of his life. The man was, quite frankly, seriously mentally ill in my opinion. Look at LA, New York, Indiana, Twitter, even here. Nobody cares about his accusions, or what barmy stuff he did in life. We care about his influence on Music. That's why we're paying tribute. You can't deny that the guy had taken a dive in popularity in recent years, because many people couldn't quite see him the same way. He was past his prime, mainly because of all the wacky going's on in his personal life that no-one could ignore anymore. I agree there should be focus on his music, but to pretend that all the other stuff (his changing, and mutiliated face, the accusations of child abuse, and unwillingness to even act like an adult, and his eccentric behaviour in general) doesn't matter at all is crazy. It is a lot to look past, frankly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 10:25:40 GMT -5
Guys, I was just down there, I live just a couple blocks from the coroners office (You can mapquest it if you want, I live in City Terrace)
It's just sad, it's a mood I can't describe.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jun 26, 2009 10:26:46 GMT -5
I've always been fascinated with celebs, and I don't take issue with what should be their private lives. I don't pay attention to it. i've always appreciated Michael for being an entertainer, the rest-the rumours and such, I never got into.
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Post by B.B.M on Jun 26, 2009 10:26:52 GMT -5
Look at LA, New York, Indiana, Twitter, even here. Nobody cares about his accusions, or what barmy stuff he did in life. We care about his influence on Music. That's why we're paying tribute. You can't deny that the guy had taken a dive in popularity in recent years, because many people couldn't quite see him the same way. He was past his prime, mainly because of all the wacky going's on in his personal life that no-one could look past. I agree there should be focus on his music, but to pretend that all the other stuff (his changing, and mutiliated face, the accusations of child abuse, and unwillingness to even act like an adult, and his eccentric behaviour in general) doesn't matter at all is crazy. It is a lot to look past, frankly. People ain't pretending, they're just not thinking about it. People want to pay tribute and respect. for example, people keep on saying the picture in my sig, is like 2003, when he dangled the baby from a balcony, but that wasn't going through my head when I selected it. The picture is from, when he was performing "The Earth Song"
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Post by CrazySting on Jun 26, 2009 10:31:34 GMT -5
I've always been fascinated with celebs, and I don't take issue with what should be their private lives. I don't pay attention to it. i've always appreciated Michael for being an entertainer, the rest-the rumours and such, I never got into. I think a lot of it went beyond rumours. Him being a cosmetic surgery addict wasn't a rumour. We all saw his face. He did have some sort of body issue. And a lot of the crazier stuff he admitted himself (mainly about wanting to be Peter Pan and having kids in his bedroom.) I feel bad for him because he never got to live a normal life, and didn't really know how to be normal. Most people would go crazy under those circumstances.
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Post by Silent Brad on Jun 26, 2009 10:34:34 GMT -5
Michael was a big part of my childhood. The first time I saw the video for Thriller has stuck with me since my childhood. I was on vacation in Vegas when I was 4 or 5 and I was at New York New York. They had this music themed store with these TVs all over the walls showing various music videos. But the one that stood out to me was Thriller. I stood there for all 14 minutes of it watching. I think it's one of the reasons I'm such a horror movie fanatic these days.
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Post by FrankGotch on Jun 26, 2009 10:40:42 GMT -5
I think a lot of people don't see the point in sugarcoating the guy's (highly controversial) life and pretending he was perfect. He wasn't. I don't think he was guilty of what he was accused of, but, undoubtedly, the guy behaved oddly in his life, which is putting it midly and in recent years that overshadowed everything else. Come on, everyone sigs...it's all stuff from the eighties or early nineties. Most people want to gloss over the last few years of his life. The man was, quite frankly, seriously mentally ill in my opinion. Look at LA, New York, Indiana, Twitter, even here. Nobody cares about his accusions, or what barmy stuff he did in life. We care about his influence on Music. That's why we're paying tribute. We are trying to think of the good times, we don't need reminders of his accusions. Do you think these accusions were going through people's minds when we bought tickets to see him live at the O2, and sold out the show? We knew he wasn't perfect, but he did alot of great things in his life. people are showing respect. Most can't think of Jackson without thinking of Thriller, and Smooth Criminal, and his awesome music. However If you have followed the news at all you also can't think of Jackson without thinking of the long list of allegations, the alleged payoffs, and the down right strange behavior. The man was what he was and if you choose to only sift out an idealized version of Jackson that you wish to remember. Then you are not being honest with yourself, or the real memory, and legacy that the man left behind. At the end of a life people reap what they have sown. The reality is that a guy like Jackson is going to get a huge mixed reaction. He sowed many seeds good, bad and weird. At the end of the day some will remember only the good, other will remember only the bad, personally I think it show far more respect to the dead to remember them for what they were.
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Post by biafra on Jun 26, 2009 11:15:22 GMT -5
Reading other forums, makes me want to destory internet servers. These idiots, can hide behind their computer screens, and type all the crap they won't. But if they decide to do the joke on someplace like Twitter, they will be knocked down by everyone. I think a lot of people don't see the point in sugarcoating the guy's (highly controversial) life and pretending he was perfect. He wasn't. I don't think he was guilty of what he was accused of, but, undoubtedly, the guy behaved oddly in his life, which is putting it midly and in recent years that overshadowed everything else. Come on, everyone sigs...it's all stuff from the eighties or early nineties. Most people want to gloss over the last few years of his life. The man was, quite frankly, seriously mentally ill in my opinion. Right, mentally ILL. Sick. If that illness had attacked any other organ but his brain than it would seem pretty crass to treat him like a leper. I've always empathized with a guy...as an outcast myself I felt this guy was the ultimate outcast in some ways...basically every problem I had a little of (esteem issues, etc) he had times a million with the whole world his bully instead of a few people in HS. Why does society not have the same kind of empathy for mental illness they do for physical? Do people think that mental illness is any more desirable to or the fault of the person than physical?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jun 26, 2009 11:22:35 GMT -5
I think a lot of people don't see the point in sugarcoating the guy's (highly controversial) life and pretending he was perfect. He wasn't. I don't think he was guilty of what he was accused of, but, undoubtedly, the guy behaved oddly in his life, which is putting it midly and in recent years that overshadowed everything else. Come on, everyone sigs...it's all stuff from the eighties or early nineties. Most people want to gloss over the last few years of his life. The man was, quite frankly, seriously mentally ill in my opinion. Right, mentally ILL. Sick. If that illness had attacked any other organ but his brain than it would seem pretty crass to treat him like a leper. I've always empathized with a guy...as an outcast myself I felt this guy was the ultimate outcast in some ways...basically every problem I had a little of (esteem issues, etc) he had times a million with the whole world his bully instead of a few people in HS. Why does society not have the same kind of empathy for mental illness they do for physical? Do people think that mental illness is any more desirable to or the fault of the person than physical? I think it's because there's no real uniform way to recognize mental illness like there is for most other diseases. There's no universal "mental illness" symptom that's the exact same for everyone. I think that's what makes it so hard for people to understand and digest.
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Post by biafra on Jun 26, 2009 11:27:24 GMT -5
Right, mentally ILL. Sick. If that illness had attacked any other organ but his brain than it would seem pretty crass to treat him like a leper. I've always empathized with a guy...as an outcast myself I felt this guy was the ultimate outcast in some ways...basically every problem I had a little of (esteem issues, etc) he had times a million with the whole world his bully instead of a few people in HS. Why does society not have the same kind of empathy for mental illness they do for physical? Do people think that mental illness is any more desirable to or the fault of the person than physical? I think it's because there's no real uniform way to recognize mental illness like there is for most other diseases. There's no universal "mental illness" symptom that's the exact same for everyone. I think that's what makes it so hard for people to understand and digest. But people who freely identify the man as being mentally ill themselves act in a way towards it they would not do if it were say..cancer. To me, pointing out someone is mentally ill and all the eccentric and abnormal behaviors that result in any sort of judgmental or demeaning way is about the same as seeing a guy with cancer and talking about him being bald and too skinny. People should have as much compassion towards the effects and manifestations of mental illness as they do with physical.
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Post by deadmanlfc on Jun 26, 2009 11:29:16 GMT -5
Yeah, poor Jacko. I had a blast playing Beat It with my wife on Guitar Hero World Tour just the other day, and literally yesterday morning I was flamed to bits on another message board for suggesting Moonwalker would be a great addition to Xbox Live Arcade. I was and still am, a big fan. RIP.
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Post by Bobafett on Jun 26, 2009 11:32:01 GMT -5
to be honest, yes its tragic, but the hyperbole machine is running high, some woman on the rdio said it flt like her world just came to an end and someone else said hes last of the entertainers..
its a bit much,
i never liked his big hits (Thriller the song was pretty meh.. it was the video that made it what it was and Bad.. hmm just never liked it ) IMO Smooth Criminal was his best song ever
but some people really loose perspective, I mean music-wise he was last relevant in the mid 90's, personality wise he was troubled, disturbed and generally a mess and there will always be was he aquitted in those trials cos of who he was, and he did buyoff a few of these kids too
but if you bring this up to people you get shot down now
btw the Sun newspaper basicly compared Fara Fawcett to Jade Goody.. yeah
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Post by biafra on Jun 26, 2009 11:40:16 GMT -5
to be honest, yes its tragic, but the hyperbole machine is running high, some woman on the rdio said it flt like her world just came to an end and someone else said hes last of the entertainers.. its a bit much, i never liked his big hits (Thriller the song was pretty meh.. it was the video that made it what it was and Bad.. hmm just never liked it ) IMO Smooth Criminal was his best song ever but some people really loose perspective, I mean music-wise he was last relevant in the mid 90's, personality wise he was troubled, disturbed and generally a mess and there will always be was he aquitted in those trials cos of who he was, and he did buyoff a few of these kids too but if you bring this up to people you get shot down now btw the Sun newspaper basicly compared Fara Fawcett to Jade Goody.. yeah For one thing people with that much influence are never irrelevant. Even if he didn't put out anything there were hundreds of people who were either influenced by him or pretty much became discount versions of him. Second, I never bought the abuse charges; although if people did then I understand why that would influence their opinion of him after death..and frankly it should. I'd much rather see people judge him the same now as when he was alive rather than doing 180's and getting selective amnesia. The fact is though not everyone believes those allegations...and since you're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty in this country that have justifiable reason IMO. I don't think there is anything wrong with judging the man the same as you would when he was living. On the contrary..I respect the fact that a whole lot more people and media haven't turned anywhere near as hypocrite as I thought they would. As for peoples reaction to his death and taking it so personally..this guy was a big part of a lot of peoples childhoods. yeah..it seems kind of weird to care that much about a person you've never met...but it's natural I think to feel loss when it was someone who irregardless of personal contact had influence on your life.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jun 26, 2009 11:42:03 GMT -5
Is it so much to give alittle respect to a guy that JUST died?
You can bring up all this shit in a week.
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Post by SickFlipPiledriver on Jun 26, 2009 11:43:16 GMT -5
It's true though, about him being one of the last entertainers.
There aren't really any outrageous, flamboyant "characters" in pop music anymore. You have some generic guy with a guitar, or a woman with a backup band all singing about the same stuff. The closest would be someone like Justin Timberlake but honestly I don't follow his career and don't know if he even still makes music.
People like Michael Jackson or Madonna... those are entertainers.
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