Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Oct 11, 2008 15:59:02 GMT -5
Sadly Nigel wouldn't be able to put the belt over as no one outside of the ROH fan base has heard of the guy. CM Punk's done pretty well for himself in WWE. Not to Mention Joe's whole TNA run was because of his ROH run so... However I'd make it a Hardcore Title. Like have Mick Foley announce the tournament to Crown a new King of Hardcore. With Abyss, Rhino, Buh Buh, D-von, Morgan, Storm, Roode, Hernandez, Homicide...and SABU as the guys in the tournament. For another title to work in TNA it has to be a belt that defines a division. PRomotes a different style of wrestling, and be a type of title people would want to see matches of. Most matches Rhyno and Abyss fight in turn into hardcore matches anyways so why not? |
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Post by Marky Mark...Mark on Oct 12, 2008 12:50:33 GMT -5
Why not use the X title? Wasn't the whole selling point "It's not about weight limits! It's about no limits!". I think I remember Tenay and West screaming that every week back when TNA was entertaining.
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The Doctor
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 12, 2008 13:04:12 GMT -5
Me: Did you know that 3 years ago an X-Division title shot main evented a PPV and is considered TNA's greatest match of all time? 12 year old mark: ROFL! Which match is that? Sorry. I'm a 21 year old WWE mark. |
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Post by Michael Coello on Oct 12, 2008 13:23:13 GMT -5
Me: Did you know that 3 years ago an X-Division title shot main evented a PPV and is considered TNA's greatest match of all time? 12 year old mark: ROFL! Which match is that? Sorry. I'm a 21 year old WWE mark. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe from 2005 or 06. And honestly, that was the only reason they got the main event. Those 3 guys were big people. They were the division. Everyone was going "Smurf Chris Sabin." "Smurf Alex Shelley." "Smurf Austin Aries". AJ was Mr. TNA, Daniels was Mr. Charisma, and Joe was the Immovable Object. I don't think you'd get the same reaction from Consequences Creed vs Petey Williams vs. Sheik Abdul Bashir. |
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Post by The Doctor on Oct 12, 2008 14:08:53 GMT -5
Which match is that? Sorry. I'm a 21 year old WWE mark. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe from 2005 or 06. And honestly, that was the only reason they got the main event. Those 3 guys were big people. They were the division. Everyone was going "Smurf Chris Sabin." "Smurf Alex Shelley." "Smurf Austin Aries". AJ was Mr. TNA, Daniels was Mr. Charisma, and Joe was the Immovable Object. I don't think you'd get the same reaction from Consequences Creed vs Petey Williams vs. Sheik Abdul Bashir. I'm going to have to search for that match and watch it then. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 12, 2008 14:12:36 GMT -5
Which match is that? Sorry. I'm a 21 year old WWE mark. AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe from 2005 or 06. The Unbreakable (of all the PPV names to drop, why this one?) 2005 match is the one most people tag that with. |
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Post by comahan on Oct 12, 2008 14:37:42 GMT -5
Yea, Unbreakble 05. Tremendous match.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 12, 2008 21:09:58 GMT -5
Why not use the X title? Wasn't the whole selling point "It's not about weight limits! It's about no limits!". I think I remember Tenay and West screaming that every week back when TNA was entertaining. because most guys limit themselves. Maybe if they gave it to a grabage wrestler who used all sort of hardcore stuff in his matches. And if the ref tried to stop him he'd yell "are you trying to limit me?" But they need a singles belt for guys like Roode, Storm, Morgan |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 12, 2008 21:40:01 GMT -5
Woo, TNA finally thought of a good idea! Seriously though, another title is really smart. There really are a LOT of people in TNA who need something to do, and this should help a lot. Until it's created and quickly given to (insert the next WWE guy to make a move to TNA here) |
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Post by New Age Outlaw on Oct 13, 2008 1:49:21 GMT -5
The idea of the X-Division having no weight limits just wont work anymore. Too many of the cruiserweights will be brushed aside, as there's no way someone like a Sonjay Dutt or a Petey Williams is going anywhere in a division filled with guys like Matt Morgan and Rhino. It's a much better idea to separate the two and give both groups something to work with.
This would be fine with me....
MAIN EVENT (TNA World)
Kurt Angle
Booker T
A.J. Styles
Sting
Samoa Joe
Jeff Jarrett
Christian Cage
UPPER MIDCARD (TNA ??)
Abyss
James Storm
Robert Roode
Rhino
Matt Morgan
Hernandez
Christopher Daniels
CRUISERWEIGHTS (TNA X-Division)
Sheik Abdul Bashir
Petey Williams
Jay Lethal
Jimmy Rave
Homicide
Sonjay Dutt
Consequences Creed
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Post by mrjl on Oct 13, 2008 8:11:22 GMT -5
The idea of the X-Division having no weight limits just wont work anymore. Too many of the cruiserweights will be brushed aside, as there's no way someone like a Sonjay Dutt or a Petey Williams is going anywhere in a division filled with guys like Matt Morgan and Rhino. It's a much better idea to separate the two and give both groups something to work with. This would be fine with me.... MAIN EVENT (TNA World)Kurt Angle Booker T A.J. Styles Sting Samoa Joe Jeff Jarrett Christian Cage UPPER MIDCARD (TNA ??)Abyss James Storm Robert Roode Rhino Matt Morgan Hernandez Christopher Daniels CRUISERWEIGHTS (TNA X-Division)Sheik Abdul Bashir Petey Williams Jay Lethal Jimmy Rave Homicide Sonjay Dutt Consequences Creed Plus they can occasionally put a larger but still agile guy like Joe when he first came in in there. |
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Post by Stewie Griffin on Oct 14, 2008 12:17:18 GMT -5
The idea of the X-Division having no weight limits just wont work anymore. Too many of the cruiserweights will be brushed aside, as there's no way someone like a Sonjay Dutt or a Petey Williams is going anywhere in a division filled with guys like Matt Morgan and Rhino. It's a much better idea to separate the two and give both groups something to work with. This would be fine with me.... MAIN EVENT (TNA World)Kurt Angle Booker T A.J. Styles Sting Samoa Joe Jeff Jarrett Christian Cage UPPER MIDCARD (TNA ??)Abyss James Storm Robert Roode Rhino Matt Morgan Hernandez Christopher Daniels CRUISERWEIGHTS (TNA X-Division)Sheik Abdul Bashir Petey Williams Jay Lethal Jimmy Rave Homicide Sonjay Dutt Consequences Creed OH YAY! Smackdown '05 in a sound studio with a stale main event scene and undercard that never changes! COUNT ME IN! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2008 12:20:50 GMT -5
Sadly Nigel wouldn't be able to put the belt over as no one outside of the ROH fan base has heard of the guy. CM Punk's done pretty well for himself in WWE. Not to Mention Joe's whole TNA run was because of his ROH run so... True, but they both didn't just walk in the company and have the belt handed to them the next minute. If they built up Nigel to the TNA fan base for six months or so - I could see it happen. But not right off the bat. |
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Oct 14, 2008 13:21:01 GMT -5
I agree with what others say. A hardcore title would be a lot better. Hell I think they should just go out and start an ultraviolent division so that guys like Messiah and Necro Butcher can get signed.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 14, 2008 13:28:50 GMT -5
You guys misunderstand, it's not that kind of title.
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Post by New Age Outlaw on Oct 14, 2008 19:51:44 GMT -5
The idea of the X-Division having no weight limits just wont work anymore. Too many of the cruiserweights will be brushed aside, as there's no way someone like a Sonjay Dutt or a Petey Williams is going anywhere in a division filled with guys like Matt Morgan and Rhino. It's a much better idea to separate the two and give both groups something to work with. This would be fine with me.... MAIN EVENT (TNA World)Kurt Angle Booker T A.J. Styles Sting Samoa Joe Jeff Jarrett Christian Cage UPPER MIDCARD (TNA ??)Abyss James Storm Robert Roode Rhino Matt Morgan Hernandez Christopher Daniels CRUISERWEIGHTS (TNA X-Division)Sheik Abdul Bashir Petey Williams Jay Lethal Jimmy Rave Homicide Sonjay Dutt Consequences Creed OH YAY! Smackdown '05 in a sound studio with a stale main event scene and undercard that never changes! COUNT ME IN! The only difference between what I posted and TNA's current landscape is the addition of a new title. I'm not sure how giving the midcarders something to do while also allowing cruiserweights to keep their prize is a bad thing. Smackdown 2005 >>>>>>>>>>> WWE 2006-Current |
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Post by Stewie Griffin on Oct 14, 2008 20:16:47 GMT -5
OH YAY! Smackdown '05 in a sound studio with a stale main event scene and undercard that never changes! COUNT ME IN! The only difference between what I posted and TNA's current landscape is the addition of a new title. I'm not sure how giving the midcarders something to do while also allowing cruiserweights to keep their prize is a bad thing. Smackdown 2005 >>>>>>>>>>> WWE 2006-Current Refering to X-division guys as "cruiserweights"... that's a bad thing. Referring to the guys who are larger and typically perform WWE style as "midcarders"... that, that is a horrible thing. Why? It means that TNA is no longer becoming the alternative, but the second option... and a second option in the mind of a typical WWE fan is a waste. It's called product differentiation... the secret of all successful entrepreneurs... make your product different from what's out there and you fill a niche. Make it the same (on a smaller scale no less) and nobody will care. |
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Post by Premier Blah on Oct 14, 2008 20:26:12 GMT -5
For a minute there I thought you said they would add another HOUR and I was thinking "Dear God no!"
Also, Doc, your name seems kind of familiar to me...
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Oct 14, 2008 20:59:05 GMT -5
The only difference between what I posted and TNA's current landscape is the addition of a new title. I'm not sure how giving the midcarders something to do while also allowing cruiserweights to keep their prize is a bad thing. Smackdown 2005 >>>>>>>>>>> WWE 2006-Current Refering to X-division guys as "cruiserweights"... that's a bad thing. Referring to the guys who are larger and typically perform WWE style as "midcarders"... that, that is a horrible thing. Why? It means that TNA is no longer becoming the alternative, but the second option... and a second option in the mind of a typical WWE fan is a waste. It's called product differentiation... the secret of all successful entrepreneurs... make your product different from what's out there and you fill a niche. Make it the same (on a smaller scale no less) and nobody will care. that is the exact same thing all wrestling companies do |
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Post by New Age Outlaw on Oct 14, 2008 21:54:00 GMT -5
Refering to X-division guys as "cruiserweights"... that's a bad thing. Referring to the guys who are larger and typically perform WWE style as "midcarders"... that, that is a horrible thing. Why? It means that TNA is no longer becoming the alternative, but the second option... and a second option in the mind of a typical WWE fan is a waste. It's called product differentiation... the secret of all successful entrepreneurs... make your product different from what's out there and you fill a niche. Make it the same (on a smaller scale no less) and nobody will care. I'm not sure what your beef is. The concept of tiered championships and weight divisions goes back decades, long before Vincent Kennedy McMahon made his mark on the industry. Are you saying you would scrap this entire concept for the sake of being 'different'? |
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