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Post by greate on Dec 22, 2008 23:48:49 GMT -5
Right, cause Russo is the only person who is doing anything wrong in TNA, is is the only person who decides what' on TV. He runs everything in every division and makes sure to bury all the favorites of the fans.  ...Well as long as you admit to it...  But honestly, the whole 'Russo kills TNA' thing is a little unwarranted. There are plenty of other people who make TNA what it is today, so it's a group mentality that just so happens to provide mediocrity. Who cares, Russo is a scapegoat. It's all because of Russo period  |
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Post by donners on Dec 23, 2008 0:27:18 GMT -5
Dude, Joe/Angle didn't get buyrates cause it was "real", it got the buyrates CAUSE IT WAS F'N JOE VS ANGLE! Plus, that Gun question was such a load of Grade A BS. Except for the fact that the buyrate for every Joe/Angle match after the first one was lower than the previous one. 35,000 for Turning Point 2006 (Joe vs. Angle) 34,000 for Final Resolution 2007 (Joe vs. Angle) 26,000 for Hard Justice 2007 (Joe vs. Angle) Their usual buyrate is more in the 15,000 numbers. But when they did Joe/Angle with a serious build, all of a sudden the buyrate was doubled on that PPV. Did somewhere around 30,000 I believe. Strange how that works, isn't it? Where are those numbers from? I'm sure I've read that Lockdown 08 was over 80,000, and that normal numbers are around 40,000. Considering that they used to get around 10,000 each week in 02-04, 15,000 sounds a bit low. |
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 23, 2008 0:54:12 GMT -5
Except for the fact that the buyrate for every Joe/Angle match after the first one was lower than the previous one. 35,000 for Turning Point 2006 (Joe vs. Angle) 34,000 for Final Resolution 2007 (Joe vs. Angle) 26,000 for Hard Justice 2007 (Joe vs. Angle) Their usual buyrate is more in the 15,000 numbers. But when they did Joe/Angle with a serious build, all of a sudden the buyrate was doubled on that PPV. Did somewhere around 30,000 I believe. Strange how that works, isn't it? Where are those numbers from? I'm sure I've read that Lockdown 08 was over 80,000, and that normal numbers are around 40,000. Considering that they used to get around 10,000 each week in 02-04, 15,000 sounds a bit low. Probably on wrestlingnewsinc or something, they seem to have estimates of the buyrates. Of course, since TNA is privately owned, they don't release that info, so it's all estimates. |
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 23, 2008 1:46:49 GMT -5
Except for the fact that the buyrate for every Joe/Angle match after the first one was lower than the previous one. 35,000 for Turning Point 2006 (Joe vs. Angle) 34,000 for Final Resolution 2007 (Joe vs. Angle) 26,000 for Hard Justice 2007 (Joe vs. Angle) Their usual buyrate is more in the 15,000 numbers. But when they did Joe/Angle with a serious build, all of a sudden the buyrate was doubled on that PPV. Did somewhere around 30,000 I believe. Strange how that works, isn't it? Not really. If anything it confirms what he said - Joe vs Angle is gonna draw big regardless, in the 25,000-35,000 range. ... ...The first match ever drawing a huge buyrate was a big deal. The second match on a PPV almost immediately following; still a big deal. The rubber match between them, theoretically the most important match of the series doing almost 10,000 buys less than the first match; the bloom is off the rose. Yet with a serious build, a bunch of great promos and a concerted effort to make the fans care about that one match, they doubled the number of buys they usually do. Chalk that up to being Joe and Angle's drawing power if you want, I severely doubt you'd get the same rating on PPV if you stuck to the 'whiny bitch' Joe and 'crazy goofball' Kurt formula you usually get in the weeks before a PPV. |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 23, 2008 9:35:18 GMT -5
...Well as long as you admit to it... But honestly, the whole 'Russo kills TNA' thing is a little unwarranted. There are plenty of other people who make TNA what it is today, so it's a group mentality that just so happens to provide mediocrity. Who cares, Russo is a scapegoat. It's all because of Russo period Russo sucks. A lot. But I'm more than willing to pass the blame around the table. Hell, Jeff and Dixie already deserve plenty of blame just for entertaining the following thought "Hey, you know that guy who was on the creative end of WCW when it died? Yea, we should give him a job." You want to blame Mantell? Great! Pass that man a healthy helping of blame. Still, a simple "FIRE RUSSO!" chant is a good way for fans to let TNA know they don't like what they're seeing and want it changed right damn now. It's simple. It's effective. And even if Russo isn't the one responsible for what's on screen (after all, according to Dixie, he just hangs out backstage drinking coffee) he's more than earned a reputation for creating stupid s***. |
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Post by héad.casé on Dec 23, 2008 13:00:49 GMT -5
As far as I know, Russo takes everyone's ideas and puts them into a script, and helps guys out getting into their characters, then the talent would eventually take it and make it their own. Also heard he lingers behind the cameras to oversee the segments.
I'm not saying he doesn't have ideas or throw them into the show, but from what i've heard, from Dixie herself is that the stuff that the crowd has chanted "Fire Russo" at, has been written by Dutch Mantell.
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Post by blef on Dec 23, 2008 14:46:29 GMT -5
Q: Why does TNA Frontline have double the amount of members that the Main Event Mafia has? Is this to further illustrate how inferior they are? A: As far as I can figure it does, yah. This is exactly how it was with the nWo. They only had a dozen or so people at a time, while WCW was a rampaging force of over 100 (including int'l superstars like High Energy, the Renegade, Jimmy Powers and Lizmark Jr.) Yet the nWo always got the better of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2008 14:53:53 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea of the MEM getting the better of NA despite having so few members. The Horsemen did it for years; the problem I have is, using the Horsemen model, an elite heel group must have at least one face that goes to war with them. The Horsemen had Dusty, Nikita, Magnum T.A., Sting, Luger, Road Warriors, and any combination of those as the people that they could never truly beat. That's what TNA lacks right now and that's what I'm hoping they develop. Eventually, some one's going to have to stand up against them and be at their level, otherwise they'll win all the time and they'll become the faces in the storyline (if they aren't already). Heels are there to eventually lose to the faces; I hope they build up the MEM as they have been doing but eventually, they're going to have to lose or it won't work.
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Post by Michael Coello on Dec 23, 2008 16:33:55 GMT -5
Still, a simple "FIRE RUSSO!" chant is a good way for fans to let TNA know they don't like what they're seeing and want it changed right damn now. It's simple. It's effective. And even if Russo isn't the one responsible for what's on screen (after all, according to Dixie, he just hangs out backstage drinking coffee) he's more than earned a reputation for creating stupid s***. I think it's hurt the reasoning, not helping. I mean, if you're complaining about something that has nothing to do with the person you're complaining about, you don't exactly have much of an impact on it. You can pretty much imagine Russo going "I didn't do anything!" with his arms up backstage, as Dutch rubs his hands menacingly and goes "Good...Good...." |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 23, 2008 20:20:21 GMT -5
Still, a simple "FIRE RUSSO!" chant is a good way for fans to let TNA know they don't like what they're seeing and want it changed right damn now. It's simple. It's effective. And even if Russo isn't the one responsible for what's on screen (after all, according to Dixie, he just hangs out backstage drinking coffee) he's more than earned a reputation for creating stupid s***. I think it's hurt the reasoning, not helping. I mean, if you're complaining about something that has nothing to do with the person you're complaining about, you don't exactly have much of an impact on it. You can pretty much imagine Russo going "I didn't do anything!" with his arms up backstage, as Dutch rubs his hands menacingly and goes "Good...Good...." I disagree. At this point, it's almost just the traditional way of saying "This is stupid!" Since I'm sure TNA doesn't want it chanted, no matter who's really responsible, they should take it as a hint to not do that again. Plus, anything that makes Russo sad is only a good thing. |
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Post by King of Fighters on Dec 23, 2008 20:49:31 GMT -5
I think it's hurt the reasoning, not helping. I mean, if you're complaining about something that has nothing to do with the person you're complaining about, you don't exactly have much of an impact on it. You can pretty much imagine Russo going "I didn't do anything!" with his arms up backstage, as Dutch rubs his hands menacingly and goes "Good...Good...." I disagree. At this point, it's almost just the traditional way of saying "This is stupid!" Since I'm sure TNA doesn't want it chanted, no matter who's really responsible, they should take it as a hint to not do that again. Plus, anything that makes Russo sad is only a good thing. Do you know how f***ing dumb and petty that makes you sound? |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 23, 2008 23:25:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Russo sucks, but so does Dusty Rhodes and he keeps getting work.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Dec 23, 2008 23:35:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Russo sucks, but so does Dusty Rhodes and he keeps getting work. Two things: 1. Dusty's actually got knowledge and experience from working in the business. 2. Dusty's entertaining. Two strikes against Russo. |
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 23, 2008 23:38:16 GMT -5
Yeah, Russo sucks, but so does Dusty Rhodes and he keeps getting work. Two things: 1. Dusty's actually got knowledge and experience from working in the business. 2. Dusty's entertaining. Two strikes against Russo. Also, I'm pretty sure Dusty is more awesome in a commentary setting. |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 24, 2008 9:27:05 GMT -5
I disagree. At this point, it's almost just the traditional way of saying "This is stupid!" Since I'm sure TNA doesn't want it chanted, no matter who's really responsible, they should take it as a hint to not do that again. Plus, anything that makes Russo sad is only a good thing. Do you know how snorking dumb and petty that makes you sound? Pettiness is its own reward. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 24, 2008 10:05:37 GMT -5
Yeah, Russo sucks, but so does Dusty Rhodes and he keeps getting work. Two things: 1. Dusty's actually got knowledge and experience from working in the business. 2. Dusty's entertaining. Two strikes against Russo. Not for nothing, but Dusty's period as head booker is arguably the single worst stretch of time in TNA history. |
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Post by King of Fighters on Dec 24, 2008 11:42:06 GMT -5
Two things: 1. Dusty's actually got knowledge and experience from working in the business. 2. Dusty's entertaining. Two strikes against Russo. Not for nothing, but Dusty's period as head booker is arguably the single worst stretch of time in TNA history. But he's not Russo, if it aint Russo it aint terrible. |
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 24, 2008 12:19:17 GMT -5
Dude, Joe/Angle didn't get buyrates cause it was "real", it got the buyrates CAUSE IT WAS F'N JOE VS ANGLE! Plus, that Gun question was such a load of Grade A BS. I think that buyrate was bigger because Lockdown is their trademark PPV, and personally I thought it was TNA's best PPV this year. Joe/Angle's build was still based around Karen Angle, and all that stuff, and by then the luster had worn off, hell it wore off in the first rematch. Really I don't like the Joe/Angle series, and am pissed that they put 5 of their matches on Kurt's DVD when they put no Christian or AJ Singles matches, or even the one with Steiner that felt like a HUGE deal |
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Post by hollywood on Dec 24, 2008 16:44:01 GMT -5
Two things: 1. Dusty's actually got knowledge and experience from working in the business. 2. Dusty's entertaining. Two strikes against Russo. Not for nothing, but Dusty's period as head booker is arguably the single worst stretch of time in TNA history. I'm inclined to agree with this. Dear God, it was bad... |
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Post by joeiscool on Dec 24, 2008 17:00:02 GMT -5
Two things: 1. Dusty's actually got knowledge and experience from working in the business. 2. Dusty's entertaining. Two strikes against Russo. Not for nothing, but Dusty's period as head booker is arguably the single worst stretch of time in TNA history. I enjoyed phi delta slam |
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