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Post by Jobes on Dec 29, 2008 10:05:38 GMT -5
"Yo, you dealin' with the X-Factor."
End. Thread.
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Post by Loki on Dec 29, 2008 13:43:09 GMT -5
I don't see whats so wrong about some of these guys' themes. I think this is quickly turning into a thread of "themes I personally like" rather than "themes that fit the charactor". For example, I liked Randy's Burn in my light theme, but I admit that it wasn't quite a chicken heel's theme, mabey a wishy-washy heel like Kurt Angle. As a matter of fact, Burn in my light would have been a perfect heel, milk-drinking, fall to my knees in celebration because I beat meat (the jobber), Kurt Angle theme. If Angle had that theme for his debut, there would have been an "I beat meat" campeign. Another example, TL Hoppers theme fit his charactor, and bastion booger's theme fit his charactor. Do you want to know what the real problem is? It's that the charactors, and the wrestling business itself, has fallen victim to the political correctness of what it means to embrace music in today's times. The whole point of music is to intuitively communicate and bring out feelings that aren't easily communicated with words, there's a concept behind the sounds. So, back when music was used for this purpose, wrestling was no different. Music was made for a charactor to make the listener feel certain emotions, but, it would have to be the same emotions that the charactor himself made you feel, so that there was a connection. Jake Robert's "trust me" theme made you feel fear, Jake Roberts, made you feel fear. But, things are different today. Today, music isn't really about that now, It's really about the person themself. Basically what I'm saying, is that today, music is about showing people how cool you are. It's about putting over a culture over the sounds, not about the culture being a part of the sounds. It's not about the music, it's about yourself. Today, If you watch any music video, the music is usually just "OK", but the point of the video is soley about the person selling him or herself, and people would likely not even listen to the song on the radio unless they saw the video first so the can have a visual. If It's a girl in the video, the main thing is that she has to show you how hot she is, if it's a guy in the video, the only thing that matters is that he shows you how much of a cool pimp he is. It's not even politically correct anymore to even say that you liked a band or song from the 80's better than today. Why? If it was really all about the music would it be that way? If I said I liked 80's classical better than today's classical, would that be PC? Ofcourse it would, there's no "way of like" with classical. But, If today you say you liked Journey better than 50 cent, people will actually think that you're saying that you like mullets and jeans better than bling, fast cars, and rims. That's how bad it really is. During the 80's, the greatest performers were the ugliest people you would ever see in your life. Take a look at them. If they looked good, they would find a way to make themself look as ugly as possible. They had kick ass music video's, but the music was the primary factor, not "them". As a matter of fact, in their video's, they were singing on a stage 75% of the time. Unfortunetely, Wrestling has taken the same turn. Because music used to be about comminicating feelings as 1st priority instead of 4th, some music used to not even be classified into a genure at all! One of them was called "wrestling music". The music was made to make you feel what the charactor makes you feel, and they would stop at nothing in order to do that, even if it meant the viewer not knowing what kind of music they were listening to. Now, It's different. Wrestling has fallen onto the bandwagon. As a matter of fact, they made special shoes with propellers and nitris cans on them so they can yell "hey, wait up" and run up to the band wagon and hop on in. Today It's "hey charles, did you see that *name a wrestler* is coming out to *name a popular song* made by *name a popular band*?" Don't even get me started on the ppv's. I'm a big believer in wrestling using themes that have no lyrics, as feelings get stronger when you don't have to concentrate on them (or get distracted). The only guy that should have lyrics in his theme is the flagship of the company. they should just have a "cool" overall song. The flagship isn't supposed to be special one way or another, he's supposed to be special well rounded, basically, a heightened sense of "normal". He's the guy that takes everyone else on. People say that if you're going to be a main eventer, then you have to be big. I disagree. If you want to face a main eventer, or be in the main event to get fed to the flagship, then you have better be big, or be something. Big, funny, or "this" or "that" aren't "mainstream", but the flagship is supposed to be "mainstream", which requires an even balance of certain things. So, the flagship can get away with just having a cool song with lyrics, but everyone else? Forget it, I'm not a fan of that. Today, IMO Anyone other than John Cena, HHH, HBK, or evolution, had better music when they didn't have lyrics put into them, not better music per se as a fan, but better music that fit's their charactors. And definitely had better music when Jim Johnson wrote it for them before they had a popular band make a song for them when they didn't understand the charactor, all for the sake of going "with the times", whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. the songs that don't have lyrics are just generic arena rock themes that basic. So, I don't really think that many of the wrestlers have music that quite fit's their charactor like it should Well said, sir, well said! But I don't think the new trend in music/culture alone is to blame for the total suckitude of recent themes. Back when themes didn't suck major balls, the characters who got said themes were much better than most of the current ones. Jake the Snake was a great character, and his traits were recognizable and made it easier to write a fitting theme. And that goes for pretty much every Superstar back then, from Hogan to the last of the curtain jerkers. Then the Anti-Gimmick Era came around, when Superstars stopped being "Comic Book Characters" and became a bunch of "real people" just with the volume on MAX. And while the Main Eventers still kinda managed to establish themselves as "recognizable" characters, with a semi-fitting theme, the midcard started to lose personality. Hence the plethora of generic themes for generic guys. So the "cool song" given to a generic guy is a last-resort way to get a guy over. Or at least to have the crowd know who's coming out. On a side note, there's ONE thing worse than generic themes/cool songs... The name of a Superstar at the beginning of a generic theme. Now that's saying "we know you have no clue about who's walking to the ring now, so we tell you beforehand".
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Post by Throwback on Dec 29, 2008 14:45:49 GMT -5
I give the entire show Raw this title. "I just wanna be wanna be loved"? yeah when i hear that I immediately think of wrestling.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 29, 2008 14:56:34 GMT -5
The name of a Superstar at the beginning of a generic theme. Now that's saying "we know you have no clue about who's walking to the ring now, so we tell you beforehand". *cocks head to the left*
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on Dec 29, 2008 15:17:52 GMT -5
Paul Orndorff "Can't Touch This" in UWF
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Post by The Tank on Dec 29, 2008 15:31:53 GMT -5
I think Finlay should go back to his old theme and stop using Hornswoggles Yeah, that really is an awful theme for him. I like Hornswoggle's theme, but only FOR Hornswoggle. Exactly. Finlay should've just kept this theme: It fits the "I'm gonna come out here all smiles with a midget and be silly, and then when the bell rings I'm gonna BEAT THE S*** OUT OF YOU." mentality that they basically want for him now.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Dec 29, 2008 20:00:29 GMT -5
The name of a Superstar at the beginning of a generic theme. Now that's saying "we know you have no clue about who's walking to the ring now, so we tell you beforehand". *cocks head to the left* (stands on stage with hands on hips)
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Post by Loki on Dec 29, 2008 20:31:59 GMT -5
(stands on stage with hands on hips) I assume that's about "if you smell..." No, it Rock saying his name wasn't the sort of "name calling" I was speaking of. That was part of his super egotistical gimmick. Same goes, to a much lesser extent, for Mr. Kennedy [who could just stick to the self-announcing in the ring, with no need for the entrance one). I take Rock's line as a riff, kinda like Edge's "you think you know me" or M$M's evil laughter. But Snitsky "it wasn't my fault" or "Gregory Helms!" were ridiculous and not fitting with the theme or anything.
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Post by Strotha on Dec 29, 2008 22:28:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that really is an awful theme for him. I like Hornswoggle's theme, but only FOR Hornswoggle. Exactly. Finlay should've just kept this theme: It fits the "I'm gonna come out here all smiles with a midget and be silly, and then when the bell rings I'm gonna BEAT THE S*** OUT OF YOU." mentality that they basically want for him now. I love that song.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Dec 29, 2008 22:50:00 GMT -5
I have to say these never fit IMO.
Limp Bizkit "Rollin" for the Undertaker: I get Rolling because he came to the ring on a bike. The rapping just doesn't go with the Undertaker. Nothing else in that song fit.
"My Time" for Stephanie McMahon: After HHH stop using it. She still did. The song just doesn't make me think of Stephanie.
"Here comes the Money" for Shane McMahon: This rapping song about money and bling. You think some like R-Truth was coming out. Nope instead we get Shane who character was not anything close to hip hop related.
"All Grown up now" Stephanie McMahon: Face it, she never had a theme that works. How does a rap song fit her? Rap song for a business woman. May as well have a rap song to start the news.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Dec 29, 2008 23:35:43 GMT -5
So I'm watching AWA on ESPN Classic tonight and Col. DeBeers is coming out to "Welcome to the Jungle" That might be the worst choice of entrance music I've ever heard. Any other examples you can think of? On that notorious Oregon show with Tonya Harding, DeBeers (the militant racist DeBeers, mind you) teamed with Ryuma Go and a luchadore (Psychosis, maybe) and the 3 entered to KISS's "I Love It Loud"
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Post by samoanswatteam on Dec 30, 2008 9:24:36 GMT -5
MCMG's theme music right now is awful. It's just pseudo-pop punk crap that makes me think of a tv show like 7th Heaven. I have no idea how they got saddled with that.
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Strotha
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Post by Strotha on Dec 30, 2008 9:59:14 GMT -5
"Yo, you dealin' with the X-Factor." End. Thread. Oh god...
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Post by romafan87 on Dec 30, 2008 10:04:11 GMT -5
"Yo, you dealin' with the X-Factor." End. Thread. Oh god... I'm pretty sure we've found the winner.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Dec 30, 2008 13:52:55 GMT -5
"Yo, you dealin' with the X-Factor." End. Thread. I can't believe it took 3 pages for someone to remember that one. And didn't X-Factor go through 3 themes all of which were about the cheeziest, lame themes possible.
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Post by chunkylover53 on Dec 30, 2008 15:05:43 GMT -5
The first theme that comes to mine is Edge and Christian's "You Think You Know Me" after they broke away from The Brood. Don't get me wrong, it fit Edge when he debuted and had a mysterious gimmick, but when him and Christian became comedians, it just didn't go with them. And I noticed that as a 13 year old mark.
They should've came out to ska music or something.
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Post by George Harrison on Dec 30, 2008 18:35:02 GMT -5
The first theme that comes to mine is Edge and Christian's "You Think You Know Me" after they broke away from The Brood. Don't get me wrong, it fit Edge when he debuted and had a mysterious gimmick, but when him and Christian became comedians, it just didn't go with them. And I noticed that as a 13 year old mark. They should've came out to ska music or something. I think it suited them. It wasn't really credited to anything in Edges characters, so when E&C were comedic heels, they didn't need a change in theme. They were comedy outside of the ring, but inside they could be vicious as they were the heels. The these became obvious for them, I think it fitted really well. Does anyone remember when they broke up, though, and it became CHRISTIANNNN operatic, with the falling sparks? lol. I think a lot of small shows, such as indie or even early ECW, it's the same thing as not being wrestlecrap: They can choose whatever just because they can. In the big leagues they had to come up with new original, fitting music, and when they came up with dirty dirty dance techno, or stereoptypical oriental/mexican/spanish music or just a slow Metal heavy guitar instrumental or cheap immitations etc etc etc, it comes off a bit of a letdown. 2001 obviously fits Flair because he's used it forever lol, but I don't see how that was originally thought up for him?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 31, 2008 15:32:12 GMT -5
Michelle McCool, the cheery, spunky, smiling, high-fiving babyface coming out to music best suited for a bitchy heel. Nevermind that someone else already used that theme before. (I wanna say Torrie)
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Post by Z-A Sandbaggin' Son of a b!%@h on Dec 31, 2008 16:13:40 GMT -5
Nikita Koloff... "In the Air tonight" by Genesis... wtf
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Dec 31, 2008 16:25:38 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we've found the winner. I think X Factor wins every time whenever a "Worst _____ Ever" type thread comes up.
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