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Post by jagilki on Sept 5, 2009 19:04:51 GMT -5
Alive 1 Tim and AL Al Bundy 2 Daveman 3 D-lirious-2 5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan 6 TTS Does Not Endorse This 9 Real Folk Bruce 10 Ravishing One is in a locker! 12 Cena fears Miz fears Me 13 dom 14 theotherkevi Dead Jag Jagerson (Jagilki) Dead Pre-Game Ti Robbin James (AL Bundyl)Potential Mason Killed Night One Justin Stone Town Potential Mason/  Turned Vengeful Townie (grbjazzman) Lynched Day 2 Marshall Troy Dixon (Hary Lockhart) Town cop Killed night Two Timothy Stevens (RX-78-2) Town Politician Lynched Day three) Hector Dunn (Mason/) Tea and Crumpets Killed Night Three 10 Alive 6 To Lynch |
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Sept 5, 2009 19:22:00 GMT -5
Guys...I don't know why...but for some reason, I have a feeling that Bruce may be one of us.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Sept 5, 2009 19:23:44 GMT -5
Well, looks like I'll be dead by the end of the day. Well, Vote:Al Bundy. T&C brought up his suspissions to me, as Bundy was the one to lead the chase against RX, and led everyone away from the other two names on the list. He really wanted RX dead, and acted as if he had some information he didn't. This does bring up a pretty good point. For me personally, I've been wanting to make a "gut vote" and stick with it for a while now, and I think I will. Something just doesn't sit right deep down inside. Vote: Al Bundy |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2009 19:25:57 GMT -5
How many Mafia are there alltogether?
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Sept 5, 2009 19:31:06 GMT -5
We don't know TTS. That's what's killing us...no pun intended.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 5, 2009 20:07:45 GMT -5
How many Mafia are there alltogether? In a game of this size, probably three. |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 5, 2009 20:11:27 GMT -5
Wait... something here isn't clicking.
Theotherkevin claims that Bundy was leading the charge to vote for RX, but didn't Bundy have his vote on Ravishing for the longest time? He didn't switch to RX until we were dead-locked with RX and Bruce, and then urged that we do something to keep from wasting the day with a non-lynch. I don't know about the rest of you, but that doesn't exactly seem like "leading the charge" to me.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Sept 5, 2009 23:08:08 GMT -5
Wait... something here isn't clicking. Theotherkevin claims that Bundy was leading the charge to vote for RX, but didn't Bundy have his vote on Ravishing for the longest time? He didn't switch to RX until we were dead-locked with RX and Bruce, and then urged that we do something to keep from wasting the day with a non-lynch. I don't know about the rest of you, but that doesn't exactly seem like "leading the charge" to me. Yeah, but he looked to be going after RX more in his post. And he did change his vote, which he wouldn't have done if he knew RX was mafia. He is trying very hard to get attention to other people. Why it may seem he is helping, this could just be a ploy to sneek under our radar. Anyway, this is just a gut vote, because I will kill myself my the end of the day. I'm going to look at Tim and Al's previous posts to see if there is any suspisious behavior before he had to leave. |
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Sept 5, 2009 23:18:06 GMT -5
I don't know. If you find something truly suspicious, I'll definitely listen. But I think there were more than enough people going after RX yesterday that focusing on Bundy in particular seems odd. The whole "gut vote" thing just doesn't sit well with me, particularly when I see two such votes in a row.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Sept 6, 2009 0:50:19 GMT -5
What the...two votes on me? First off, I'll address theotherkevin. When I made my list of my top two likely mafia picks, they were Ravishing and RX. I voted Ravishing because I felt he was more scummy than RX but still noted a suspicion towards RX (which was shared by most of the town, including you theotherkevin, not just myself). When it seemed as though we were going to be deadlocked and going to give the mafia a non-lynch I made a decision to attempt to kill mafia and changed my vote to RX. Ravishing and dom chose to change their votes also to secure a lynch. The seven of us who voted for him did so because there was compelling evidence to believe RX was mafia. His shady actions and his poor play led us into lynching him.
Now, onto D-Lirious-2:
"gut vote"? What is this based on? What have I possibly done that would make me mafia? You've held a grudge against Tim and Al (and, in effect me since I took it over) since before the game even began solely based on the fact that he was mafia in a previous game and he killed you. Hell, you voted for him before the game even started! Not exactly sound reasoning for your vote against me.
I have a theory on what's going on here. The mafia is playing us like fiddles and laughing at us. Hear me out. This is gonna take a while.
I think what the mafia is doing is offing a townie that had an erroneous suspicion on another townie so that they can get two townies offed for the price of one. They did the same thing with Jazzman early on in the game. Case in point, what happened to Jazzman and I earlier. I had an FoS on Jazzman before I got offed the first night. Once I was dead, the town railed against Jazzman because of it. Jazzman got flustered and didn't adequately defend himself, therefore he got lynched. That is two problematic townies out of the way with the mafia only having the blood of one on their hands. I know some are going to say that it was actually to the town's benefit for Jazzman to go since he was probably a serial killer but there was no way for the mafia to know this. Besides, don't you think if somehow they did that they'd want him dead anyway? An SK only wins if he offs EVERYBODY, town and mafia included.
Having had this play work once before, it seems to me that they're running it again albeit slightly different. Because I am such a thorn in their side instead of offing me outright and having the town shift their suspicions on one of them, they are leaving me alive to take the brunt of the town's wrath, ensuring another town lynch. I have my suspicions on who is leading this charge but I'm going to reread the entire game just to make sure I have everything right and evidence to back up my claims.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Sept 6, 2009 1:01:29 GMT -5
*walks into the saloon and stands on the bar, where I assume all this discussion is going down, because dammit, it's the Old West, and we have to be in a saloon!*
You know what, this is going to end up killing me either way, but what the hell.
There was an envelope slid under my door this morning. When I woke and opened it, what I saw surprised me.
What's one thing that the Mafia would have more than anything?
Money.
*pulls out envelope, dropping it in front of Al Bundy*
The note attached reads "You're the only one who will listen. Found this, and much more in Bundy's room. Use it well."
That envelope is FILLED with money. Big bills. "Found this, AND MUCH MORE"? I don't care if this results in a bullet in my back while I try and sleep, but Al, to me, you have a lot of explaining to do.
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Post by psychotix5000 on Sept 6, 2009 2:03:47 GMT -5
My number one suspect for mafia right now is D-lirious 2. Here's my case against him: - Votes for Tim and Al based solely on what happened in a separate game.
- 4 days later simply pops head in to ask what an FoS is and contributes nothing to the game. We end up with a no lynch for Day 1.
- 10 days later pops in to put an FoS on Jazzman (who already has 3 votes at this point) but adds nothing to the convo of substance.
- Next day you drop the hammer on Jazzman and secure his lynch. Content of your post seems awfully bloodthirsty/scummy.
- 3 days after dropping the hammer you post stating that after Harry pointed at 3 suspects; instead of trying to determine which is scum, you sit back and wait for someone else to do it for you and add nothing to the game again.
- Here you jump down RX's throat for making the same play you did just a few posts prior (name an FoS and wait). A bit hypocritical, don't you think?
- Here you make your case for RX stating that he's "pushing forward his own agenda" against Dom to get him lynched. How can he be pushing said agenda when all he did was FoS Dom?? He hadn't posted anything else yet when you made your case against RX. Sounds like you are the one with an agenda here.
Also, in regards to jazzman's death you remark to Daveman that "we're better off without him" since he turned vig. Yeah, wouldn't want him to off mafia now would we?
- Here you name 3 people you're suspicious of; RX (citing the "evidence" against him, none of which you've provided), myself (based on Tim and Al's gameplay and I've already established that this is based on a grudge you hold against him), and Ravishing (his "gut instinct" votes when your votes haven't had any evidence behind them either). You then vote for RX based on the evidence others have compiled against him, putting him at 4 votes. Bandwagon vote anyone?
- In response to my questioning your suspicion of me you simply base it on "a feeling" or as others would say "gut instinct." So Ravishing isn't allowed to finger others based on his gut or his feelings but you are? This is so hypocritical. Your entire post seems like you're trying to confuse everyone to the point where they don't know what the hell is going on. Confusion is one of the many tools of the mafia.
- Four days since your previous post you point out to Real Folk Bruce that editing posts is a no no and follow it up with "one step closer to putting a noose around your neck for us." I think you were disguising this warning to your scum buddy. This was your way of saying "Bruce, don't do that again. You're gonna get mod-killed!" without looking suspect. I mean, since you were by and large pointing the finger at RX, why would you now want RFB dead when you've made NO CASE against him?
- Three days later you pop in to "helpfully" let the mod know that your target RX has enough votes for a lynch. Again, this is very bloodthirsty of you. Overexcited that you've offed another townie?
- Here, after numerous people have placed their suspicions on Real Folk Bruce, you suddenly vouch for him with no evidence why? This shortly after being happy that he was one step away from being mod-killed???
- Immediately after this post you vote me with a "gut instinct" (the same thing you condemned Ravishing One for).
- This here is a last ditch effort to pretend to add to the conversation and point the finger at me. Seeing as I've questioned you multiple times during the game and just took you to task for your "gut instinct" voting you pull this "evidence" out in an effort to add to the discussion and claim a power role. "I don't care if it results in a bullet in my back?" Cut the overacting. You're afraid that I'm gonna get you and your scum buddies hanged and you're deflecting attention away from yourself and onto me in order to push us closer to a lynch-or-lose situation. This is an effort to provide "proof" for your lack of contributing anything of substance the entire game. You've been an active lurker from the get go; pretending to add to the game while actually not doing a damn thing.
I think I've made my case clear. Vote: D-Lirious 2 |
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Post by Daveman on Sept 6, 2009 5:28:27 GMT -5
We're in a bad place here, but we're not as far gone as I had previously feared. Judging from the day scenes, I'm confident in saying that we only have three Mafioso (Clifton Barker/Barton, Fortune Washington, and Jessica Rustler). So, we're not in a lynch-or-lose situation. However, it looks like whoever is Ethel Hopkins will kill himself tonight. If we also have an unsuccessful doc protect, we could be down two townies going into tomorrow. Therefore, it's essential we lynch correctly today. Well, looks like I'll be dead by the end of the day. Anyway, this is just a gut vote, because I will kill myself my the end of the day. Are you claiming to be Ethel Hopkins? If so, is there any game-related information you can give us before you die? I just spent the last God knows how long re-reading the thread, only to come up with a conclusion similar to Mr. Bundy's. (A quick aside: I hereby rechristen you Tim and Al Bundy.) I don't want to agree with you so much since I found Tim and Al's lurking to be quite scummy, but dammit you make a convincing argument. I'm not going to rush into a vote yet, however. First we need to know did anybody target D-lirious-2 last night? If you did, speak up now. By my count, Untouchable has made a total of six posts this entire game. Six. In a month. 1st post. Joke votes for himself before voting for Ravishing One because, "Probably shouldn't bandwagon on the first day." ... as opposed to bandwagonning on the fifth day? A bandwagon vote is one which puts forth no new evidence. Untouchable voted for Ravishing One for being a bandwagonner after TTS accused RO of bandwagonning. Pot-kettle-black. 2nd post. Claims scum are likely picking off the previous games Mafioso. Easy way to say, "Hey, look, I'm Town," without doing anything substantial. 3rd post. Talks about what makes a good Mafioso and justifies voting jazzman. Is he giving us a look into his own play-style? 4th post. Another bandwagon vote, which I previously called into question here. 5th post. Attacking an easy target and "unconfirmed suspicions." Also notes he can't investigate. Wow. The majority of players can't investigate. 6th post. Speculates on the size of the Mafia. (Inside knowledge?) Six posts in one month, and nothing with any real substance. I've been suspicious of you for weeks. I called for you to post more here, more than two weeks ago. I'm finally going to go ahead and Vote: Untouchable. |
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Post by The Dom on Sept 6, 2009 6:23:53 GMT -5
This game has just gotten way to confusing for me. Right now there are so many people making good points against each other at the same time each of us looks equally scummy.
I'll just start from top to bottom based on who is still alive.
1.Al Bundy- Most obvious thing here is the fact that Delirious is putting him out there as scum based off of his "findings" which is still up in there air until we here from everyone. Has made some really great points against Delirious as well as actually defended himself, something a lot of the people we lynched have failed to do.
2 Daveman- Just like Bundy, you have made a lot of great points throughout this whole game and really did a great job of analyzing people. Unfortunately, you've been wrong every time. I'm not doubting that your a good player, but there is still a chance you are mafia and leading the town along like a bunch of sheep.
3 D-lirious-2- You haven't offered a whole lot to this game since it began and are just now coming out with information. Either you don't understand the clues you were given or you stole from every person that was NK. Cause honestly if you had stolen from someone we lynched you could have been able to stop it based on what you had.
5 Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan_ I can't get a damn read on you at all. It's almost like you're here contributing but nothing really stands out as either scummy or beneficial.
6 TTS Does Not Endorse This- Same as above
9 Real Folk Bruce- Extremely inactive until you were called out and even than you have yet to offer anything of substance. When I speculated on your play style and suggested that you were really bad at this, you quickly agreed. Now it's still either yes you are bad or you are trying to fend us off without messing up.
10 Ravishing One is in a locker!- The whole gut instinct vote 2 days in a row makes me really weary of you.
12 Cena fears Miz fears Me- Same as Bruce pretty much, you're way to quiet and really haven't offered much of a defense or help to the town.
13 dom- Yes I am including myself in this. I'm not quiet as active as people like Bundy and Dave, yet I am still one of the more vocal ones. I really am a wildcard in this whole thing due to the fact that I have never played a game of mafia with any of you, thereby making my playstyle extremely difficult to lead. I have been a part of both lynches as well as doing what most consider a scum tell by advocating a no lynch on the day phase.
14 theotherkevi- You I got nothing to say about since we already know you are town, thereby clearing you.
With all that said I'm going back to what I should have stayed with the last phase.
Vote: Real Folk Bruce
Like I said you have done nothing to really defend yourself and I think it is just you trying to sneak under the radar.
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Post by TOK Is the Target Demo on Sept 6, 2009 15:15:02 GMT -5
Are you claiming to be Ethel Hopkins? If so, is there any game-related information you can give us before you die? Just that me and T&C were masons, and lovers. That is all I got, sorry. Al, you are looking too far into D-lerious' non-posts. If he is who he claims to be, then he did not want to track attention to himself. As did everyone else's posts. We all wanted a lynch, and Jazzman was the most apparent to everyone at the time. Not what happened. D-lerious was being safe. RX was being sneaky and pointing fingers at someone who was not on the list being discussed at the time. It made no sense to anyone. Everyone had already posted the information about RX, including you, so there was no need to clog up the thread with an unnecessarily long post. If he does have information about you, he wouldn't want to say it out-and-out for fear of being targeted. Also, your being paranoid about this "grudge", which from what I can see is playful teasing and nothing more. Also, Ravishing's other bizarre voting patterns are cause for an FoS on him, too. Why would he say "Hey guys, I'm a cop. I have info that tells me who is who. *Insert name* is mafia. Please don't kill me." He's doing the same thing Lockhart did, which was drop subtle hints to everyone. Wouldn't he just send a PM then, and not attract suspicion? If he's lieing, we'll find out soon enough, no? I'm inclined to believe he's telling the truth. |
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Post by psychotix5000 on Sept 6, 2009 15:55:00 GMT -5
Quick post before I head off to work today. Daveman, while it is true that Tim and Al was lurking I'm inclined to believe that it was simply due to the same reasons that made him pull out of the game. He couldn't be active in the game due to outside issues and asked to be replaced. Also, when you made your post about lurkers on the 1st day (I think, don't have time to go back and check for sure) Tim and Al had 2 posts and D-Lirious 2 only had 3. Both were lurking during that period. I find it rather odd that D-Lirious 2 decides to pipe up now of all times and "contribute" to the discussion of the game when he hasn't done so since the game began. @the Dom, You make a lot of good points and while Real Folk Bruce warrants lynching, I am not going to change my vote at this time because D-Lirious' newfound activity coupled with his behavior still leads me to believe that he is certainly mafia. TOK Is the Target Demo, on the non-posts issue, why are you going to support a known lurker instead of someone who has busted his hump since Day 1 trying to root out Mafia in this game. I find that rather odd. On D-Lirious' hammer vote, the content of his post leads me to believe that, as mafia, he knew Jazzman was not mafia and pounced as soon as possible to get him lynched to remove another town threat. On the case against RX, yes we all had made cases/analyzed RX but instead of looking at the facts for himself and coming to his own conclusion he simply drops a vote on RX and adds nothing of significance to the game again. With 3 votes on Jazzman, his 4th vote SCREAMS bandwagon vote. On his "gut feeling" post he previously suspects Ravishing of using "gut feelings" but it's ok for him to do so? Why the contradiction? His sole argument for Ravishing possibly being mafia was based on him being so vague as far as Ravishing's Mafia suspect was yet he adopts the same argument against me. So Ravishing does it and he's possibly Mafia but D-Lirious does it and he's not? I say he is. On not sending a PM, I already explained this. Real Folk Bruce was close to getting lynched. By posting what he did it takes suspicion off of him and warns RFB from getting himself mod-killed. It makes him seem like he's "town" when he really isn't. |
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Post by Daveman on Sept 6, 2009 17:03:34 GMT -5
2 Daveman- Just like Bundy, you have made a lot of great points throughout this whole game and really did a great job of analyzing people. Unfortunately, you've been wrong every time. I'm not doubting that your a good player, but there is still a chance you are mafia and leading the town along like a bunch of sheep. I'll admit my scumdar has been a bit off this entire game, but it's not entirely my fault. The two players against whom I led lynches both displayed scummy behavior and failed to adequately defend themselves, even when a simple role-claim could have validated them (or at least sent them on the path). From where are you getting that D-2 is a thief? My understanding of his post is that an anonymous tipster sent him the letter and that he did no sleuthing of his own. |
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Post by Daveman on Sept 6, 2009 17:20:58 GMT -5
TOK Is the Target Demo, on the non-posts issue, why are you going to support a known lurker instead of someone who has busted his hump since Day 1 trying to root out Mafia in this game. I find that rather odd. While you do make several valid points, particularly regarding D-lirious-2's bloodthirstiness, this logic just isn't going to fly. YOU ARE NOT THE SAME AL BUNDY WHO POSTED ON DAY 1. Just because that Bundy was proven to be a townie after his death does not mean that you are in the clear. You replaced a player who was lurking (for whatever reason) and now are in the same boat as the other early-game lurkers. Despite your relevant post-recaps and game analysis, you can not claim you have been doing this for the entire game. |
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Post by The Dom on Sept 6, 2009 22:34:07 GMT -5
From where are you getting that D-2 is a thief? My understanding of his post is that an anonymous tipster sent him the letter and that he did no sleuthing of his own. If that is true than I'm gonna call BS. In all the time I have played I have never seen a role that has information handed to them. The only logical things that would be able to give him information at all would be Cop (Dead already) unless we have do have another cop which I'm not to sure about, a thief which is what I'm thinking makes the most sense, or a JOAT, which would make sense but I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2009 22:42:40 GMT -5
*walks into the saloon and stands on the bar, where I assume all this discussion is going down, because dammit, it's the Old West, and we have to be in a saloon!* You know what, this is going to end up killing me either way, but what the hell. There was an envelope slid under my door this morning. When I woke and opened it, what I saw surprised me. What's one thing that the Mafia would have more than anything? Money. *pulls out envelope, dropping it in front of Al Bundy* The note attached reads "You're the only one who will listen. Found this, and much more in Bundy's room. Use it well." That envelope is FILLED with money. Big bills. "Found this, AND MUCH MORE"? I don't care if this results in a bullet in my back while I try and sleep, but Al, to me, you have a lot of explaining to do. You put an awful lot of stock on whoever gave you that being trustworthy |
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