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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 11, 2009 19:31:05 GMT -5
Warrior I feel in 1996 could have still been a big time player with the correct storyline.
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Post by brackus on Oct 11, 2009 23:10:50 GMT -5
Blah, Blah, destructivity, blah, blah, quasi-objectvist nonsense, blah warriyah! His real-life/outside the ring persona does not affect his in-ring character and his legacy IMO. Yeah, he is an a$$ in real life, but as long as he doesn´t/didn´t talk about that crap in wrestling-promos I don´t care. I guess alot of people here weren´t around in the early 90´s and don´t know about the popularity of the Warrior. |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Oct 11, 2009 23:32:37 GMT -5
Blah, Blah, destructivity, blah, blah, quasi-objectvist nonsense, blah warriyah! His real-life/outside the ring persona does not affect his in-ring character and his legacy IMO. Yeah, he is an a$$ in real life, but as long as he doesn´t/didn´t talk about that crap in wrestling-promos I don´t care. I guess alot of people here weren´t around in the early 90´s and don´t know about the popularity of the Warrior. Actually, I was refering to his persona. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Oct 12, 2009 5:48:41 GMT -5
Warrior I feel in 1996 could have still been a big time player with the correct storyline. I thought his feud with Goldust could've been executed much better. Had a good start IMO. |
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Post by brackus on Oct 12, 2009 13:27:33 GMT -5
Actually, I was refering to his persona. Yeah, and that proves my point in that post. Vince McMahon is a right-wing supporter who pushed th republican party during elections, gave us such controverial angles like Sgt. SLaughter the turncoat or gave us the "tribute to the troops" events. That makes me question his persona ... but I still watch WWE because it´s just great. Just because an a$$hole created something (Mc Mahon the WWF or Hellwig thr Warrior-character) doesn´t mean that yopu have to dislike that creation! Heck, the Nazi´s invented the Autoahn/Highways in Germany and everyone loves them (the Autobahn, not the Nazis of course). Well lets see: -money robbing douche: He asked for a raise because he was a main-event player like Hogan. What´s the big deal. Every worker can expect to have a raise in his career, especially if he deserved it. If you actually get it is another thing. McMahon and Bishoff stated that they wanted to bring the Warrior back because he was a popular wrestler and they wanted boost in ratings. 5 minutes later on the DVD they say they did not want to pay him the amount he wanted because "he is not a big moneymaker/big draw/he is not worth the money". That doesn´t make sense .. . in fact, it makes McMahon and Bishoff look like douches! -the "beyond conceited mindset": Bobby Heenan out of all people is the one guy on the DVD who bashed the Warrior most about his persona. He goes on with stuff like "he behaved like a primadonna. He has no family/history in wrestling, wasn´t raised in the business and behaved like he knew everything yadda yadda". Excuse me, but the people loved him! He was way over so he has every right to have his head raised high. You don´t have to be Afa´s third grandchildren, a Hart-family member or McMahon´s son-in law to get over with the fans. You need to have a great gimmick, a great in-ring perosnality and great chemistry with the fan. Warriors had those´s. Heenan continues abouth the Andre the giant-incident (the incidents where he Warrior was to fast for Andre and Andre just held up his fist to slow him down). Excuse me, but how is the physical state of Andre the fault of the Warrior? Does the Warrior have to perform a closeline in "slow-motion" in order for the "immovable object" to "get it"? - About injuring people: Heenan mentions the WMV incident where he landed on his head after the gorilla-press. How was that the Warrior´s fault?. It´s not like that the gorilla-press wasn´t supossed to happen. Did he expect the Warrior to put him back on his feet after he pressed him to the air? Yeah, he is a non-wrestler .. .but heenan should have been smart enough to ask how he should block the fall BEFORE the match (or ask for a different move if he was too stupid to take a press-slam). British Bulldog injured himself on the Warrior´s trap-door in WCW .. .that was the fault of the ring-crew or whoever thought that a trap-door in the ring was a good and secure idea. I don´t know about any other incidents where the Warrior supposedly injured people. Heck, even if he did: A guy like RVD injured more people! - about no-showing: Warrior´s dad died when he no-showed in 1996. Vince stated it on the DVD and said that he didn´t believe that he was close to his father. What a load of bull. Hellwig might not have a close bond to his father, but a father is a father and it´s totally understandable that he needed time to cope with this (not just the time for the burial of his father). Instead of making Hellwig look back on the DVD the WWE just made itself look like idiots. Yes, Hellwig is a right-wing nutjob ... but so are other wrestlers (JBL, McMahon himself ) ... but as long as the politics are kept out of the ring I don´t care. |
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Oct 12, 2009 17:28:20 GMT -5
Warrior I feel in 1996 could have still been a big time player with the correct storyline. I thought his feud with Goldust could've been executed much better. Had a good start IMO. Did Warrior change character halfway through that Goldust promo? |
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 12, 2009 17:57:21 GMT -5
Warrior I feel in 1996 could have still been a big time player with the correct storyline. I thought his feud with Goldust could've been executed much better. Had a good start IMO. His feud with Goldust in my view was awful. This was because these two superstars just did not go together at all if you ask me. |
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Post by chunkylover53 on Oct 12, 2009 18:34:14 GMT -5
I thought his feud with Goldust could've been executed much better. Had a good start IMO. His feud with Goldust in my view was awful. This was because these two superstars just did not go together at all if you ask me. It was poorly executed I agree. But you have two supernatural characters that are completely different from each other. If done right, it could've been an awesome feud. |
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Post by BD Punk AKA SUSPENDED! on Oct 12, 2009 21:14:37 GMT -5
Warrior was not as bad as some make out. I mean he still had a interesting career if you ask me and still made a success. He pinned Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania during the peak of Hulkamania for the WWE title. That fact alone makes Warrior a success in wrestling. |
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Oct 12, 2009 21:24:51 GMT -5
Re: Jim Warrior versus Ultimate Warrior
I don't dislike either the man or the persona. Jim Helwig has done pretty well for himself, entertained a lot of people, and lived life on his own terms. I think he tends to take his conclusions a little too far, and could use a lesson in compassion, but his arguments are persuasive overall. And I really don't care about his so-called controversal statements. However, his promos were "Blah, Blah, destructivity, blah, blah, quasi-objectvist nonsense, blah warriyah!"
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 13, 2009 9:14:55 GMT -5
Warrior was not as bad as some make out. I mean he still had a interesting career if you ask me and still made a success. He pinned Hulk Hogan at Wrestlemania during the peak of Hulkamania for the WWE title. That fact alone makes Warrior a success in wrestling. I agree that alone made Warrior a success. I mean beating the biggest star for the world title on the biggest stage man anyone would wish for that. |
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