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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 14, 2009 18:11:06 GMT -5
I would love to see HBK as a heel rip HHH up on the mic. Now that would be some really good stuff if you ask me.
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Post by Big L on Oct 14, 2009 20:15:20 GMT -5
Honestly I'd say I'd have to see them try it b4 I say yes or no
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 14, 2009 20:56:20 GMT -5
If Rock can turn heel in the twilight of his career, HBK can.
In fact, his heel turn would probably go exactly like the Rocks, where he is still getting a mixture of cheers and boos but managing to tow the line and stay heel.
I never understand these arguments anyways considering WWEs top star is a face that gets booed half the time. Why cant a heel turn and get cheered half the time?
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Oct 14, 2009 21:40:47 GMT -5
Unless the YouTube clips I saw were edited by the people who posted them, Michaels was booed tremendously in his feud with Hogan. I don't know what some of you were watching. He superkicked Hogan, fans booed. He tried to explain turning on Hogan on Piper's Pit, and the fans chanted Hogan's name. He superkicked Piper, and fans chanted for Hogan. He tried to "shoot" on Hogan in a promo, and fans cheered Hulk. Then Summerslam happened, and fans cheered Hogan. The next night Michaels did a crybaby shoot to justify doing the job, and fans chanted Hogan's name. Were you guys watching from a different planet? And yes, everyone can turn heel. Just give the fans a reason to boo. You do realize that half of that run was done in Canada. So that made it easy for Michaels to draw heat. Being that it was WM X8 that turned Hogan face to begin with in Canada. Yes Michaels did get booed but he was still getting noticable cheers as well. More so when the WWE returned to the states. The night after that HBK got cheered by the time the promo ended. The big long promo he did that got a ton of heat for HBK was in Canada where he kept trashing Canada and then did the Bret Hart music fake out. Even against Taker this year. Fans didn't boo him that much. As for The Rock in 03. The guy was not over as a heel. That was why after he lost to Goldberg and left. He cameback like two months later on Jericho's show and was a face right out of the shoot and The Rock did nothing to turn face. Unless you call the post match promo of Backlash it that was not aired on PPV and only seen if you brought the DVD at the time. Most of this heel run was mixed reaction. There where lower card heels more over then the Rock was as a heel as in drawing heel heat. He did get some when he ran from Austin or the Rock concerts. But that where brief loud and then got cheers. |
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 15, 2009 9:23:05 GMT -5
HBK could make a huge heel even today. I feel he is that dam good he could be the number one heel in the world all over again.
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Post by machomadness on Oct 15, 2009 10:45:08 GMT -5
"THE HEARTBREAK KID WILL GO DOWN IN A.........BLAZE.....OF....GLLLOOORRRRYYYY!!!!!"
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Post by DavidArquette on Oct 15, 2009 13:51:23 GMT -5
HBK could make a huge heel even today. I feel he is that dam good he could be the number one heel in the world all over again.  |
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Post by Hogasm on Oct 15, 2009 14:21:21 GMT -5
Have him superkick the champion in the face and then stare at him for 20 minutes straight.
Cole: NO! Not this WAY!
King: OMG! Lookidat!
HBK: *stare*
Cole: What could be going through Shawn Michael's mind?
HBK: *stare*
King: I can't believe this Cole!
HBK: *stare*
It worked for Matt Hardy when he turned on Jeff
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 15, 2009 16:02:25 GMT -5
Yes, it could work, and in my opinion NEEDS to happen sooner rather than later. I mean, I think that unless Shawn full out turns on Hunter, or at the very least goes heel by simply walking away from him, Shawn Michaels has become the weakest, stupidest, most gullible character in many, many years.
Hunter brings Shawn back, seemingly against his will, to participate in a group that directly flies in the face of Shawn's beliefs. But Hunter doesn't care....it's all about the Game, right? Why would he care about Shawn's wants, needs or desires? So Shawn gets yanked into this feud...and guess what? He ends up taking the lion's share of the abuse from Legacy, and ends up fighting the bulk of a feud that he didn't even START. It would only make sense for a smart person to see the pattern and if not get upset over it, at least question it. NOT doing that paints Shawn as Hunter's pet....a stupid little puppy that trots along at his master's heels, happy to do whatever is asked whenever it is asked of him.
Knowing Shawn's ego....knowing that it can be appealed to and injured...him having a blow up at Hunter only makes sense. Playing the "justifiable heel actions" card here could be a way for the WWE to get a little bit more mileage out of a set of stale characters. Shawn renouncing his DX membership, and hey maybe Hunter going "recruiting" for a new DX partner could make the group interesting again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 15, 2009 18:48:13 GMT -5
He pretended to be hurt, and then later ducked and let Jericho hit his wife in the face, rather than protect her first and foremost. He's not heel yet, so what would it take?
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Post by glorydays on Oct 16, 2009 8:36:01 GMT -5
Unless the YouTube clips I saw were edited by the people who posted them, Michaels was booed tremendously in his feud with Hogan. I don't know what some of you were watching. He superkicked Hogan, fans booed. He tried to explain turning on Hogan on Piper's Pit, and the fans chanted Hogan's name. He superkicked Piper, and fans chanted for Hogan. He tried to "shoot" on Hogan in a promo, and fans cheered Hulk. Then Summerslam happened, and fans cheered Hogan. The next night Michaels did a crybaby shoot to justify doing the job, and fans chanted Hogan's name. Were you guys watching from a different planet? And yes, everyone can turn heel. Just give the fans a reason to boo. You do realize that half of that run was done in Canada. So that made it easy for Michaels to draw heat. Being that it was WM X8 that turned Hogan face to begin with in Canada. Yes Michaels did get booed but he was still getting noticable cheers as well. More so when the WWE returned to the states. The night after that HBK got cheered by the time the promo ended. Well I stopped watching wrestling in general in 2002 so again I am just going by YouTube clips that I saw years later, but it seemed to me Michaels was getting legit heel heat in his feud with Hogan. I think they only did one show in Canada during the build-up (the Montreal show). Here is a clip of the initial turn. Crowd is going crazy for the posing, then Shawn kicks Hulk and the boos and Hogan chants start to rain (about 1:00 in). I can't find the clip of Shawn's promo with Piper, but I remember Shawn getting heat when introduced and as he was explaining his actions the crowd bursting out a Hogan chant right in between (which Shawn had to improvise around). Then he kicked Piper and got booed again. I'm sure there were some cheers for him, but I don't think it was a mixed reaction. He was booed more than cheered. Shawn or anybody could turn heel and be over as a heel. They just have to give the fans a reason to boo. It might be hard for Shawn since there are no Hulk, Austin, Rock, etc, level stars for him to turn against anymore, but it shouldn't be impossible. |
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Oct 16, 2009 21:00:08 GMT -5
I've been saying the same thing as Rorscach about this d-X run. Shawn got dragged back by hunter, and has been getting his ass kicked the majority of the time for it. I'd lpve to see him finally snap on hunter. Hopefully in a tag match, Hunter is getting beaten on, Shawn is begging for the tag.. finally gets it, them WHAM, sweet chin music and walks off.
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Post by faceinyourcrowd on Oct 17, 2009 2:52:50 GMT -5
he's Shawn Micheals... give me a break the man could pull it off.
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Post by Beast Army Ass on Oct 17, 2009 13:16:19 GMT -5
Yes, it could work, and in my opinion NEEDS to happen sooner rather than later. I mean, I think that unless Shawn full out turns on Hunter, or at the very least goes heel by simply walking away from him, Shawn Michaels has become the weakest, stupidest, most gullible character in many, many years. Hunter brings Shawn back, seemingly against his will, to participate in a group that directly flies in the face of Shawn's beliefs. But Hunter doesn't care....it's all about the Game, right? Why would he care about Shawn's wants, needs or desires? So Shawn gets yanked into this feud...and guess what? He ends up taking the lion's share of the abuse from Legacy, and ends up fighting the bulk of a feud that he didn't even START. It would only make sense for a smart person to see the pattern and if not get upset over it, at least question it. NOT doing that paints Shawn as Hunter's pet....a stupid little puppy that trots along at his master's heels, happy to do whatever is asked whenever it is asked of him. Knowing Shawn's ego....knowing that it can be appealed to and injured...him having a blow up at Hunter only makes sense. Playing the "justifiable heel actions" card here could be a way for the WWE to get a little bit more mileage out of a set of stale characters. Shawn renouncing his DX membership, and hey maybe Hunter going "recruiting" for a new DX partner could make the group interesting again. Pretty much what this guy said. Given how much he didn't want to come back and HHH just kept pressuring him, it'd just make sense for him to SCM the hell out of Trips. So Shawn's pissed, he wants HHH to realize what a doucHHHe he really is, and BAM, instant feud. I guess the only problem will be that it'll be a divided crowd. Both guys could end up getting the Cena "cheer and boo at the same time" heat WWE is not a fan of. |
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Post by Rorschach on Oct 17, 2009 13:23:11 GMT -5
Yes, it could work, and in my opinion NEEDS to happen sooner rather than later. I mean, I think that unless Shawn full out turns on Hunter, or at the very least goes heel by simply walking away from him, Shawn Michaels has become the weakest, stupidest, most gullible character in many, many years. Hunter brings Shawn back, seemingly against his will, to participate in a group that directly flies in the face of Shawn's beliefs. But Hunter doesn't care....it's all about the Game, right? Why would he care about Shawn's wants, needs or desires? So Shawn gets yanked into this feud...and guess what? He ends up taking the lion's share of the abuse from Legacy, and ends up fighting the bulk of a feud that he didn't even START. It would only make sense for a smart person to see the pattern and if not get upset over it, at least question it. NOT doing that paints Shawn as Hunter's pet....a stupid little puppy that trots along at his master's heels, happy to do whatever is asked whenever it is asked of him. Knowing Shawn's ego....knowing that it can be appealed to and injured...him having a blow up at Hunter only makes sense. Playing the "justifiable heel actions" card here could be a way for the WWE to get a little bit more mileage out of a set of stale characters. Shawn renouncing his DX membership, and hey maybe Hunter going "recruiting" for a new DX partner could make the group interesting again. Pretty much what this guy said. Given how much he didn't want to come back and HHH just kept pressuring him, it'd just make sense for him to SCM the hell out of Trips. So Shawn's pissed, he wants HHH to realize what a doucHHHe he really is, and BAM, instant feud. I guess the only problem will be that it'll be a divided crowd. Both guys could end up getting the Cena "cheer and boo at the same time" heat WWE is not a fan of. This is quite true...and hey, for all the people saying HBK could rip Hunter on the mic...remember the "you dropped the ball" speech Hunter did on Shawn the night after WrestleMania? The verbal fireworks here could be AMAZING, and I'm telling you, could really pave the way for HHH to be one of the guys who brings the edginess back to RAW. |
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Oct 17, 2009 21:17:25 GMT -5
The announcers will just go on and on about how controversial they are.
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Post by Pink Lloyd on Oct 17, 2009 21:23:41 GMT -5
Umm, if you want to turn HBK heel I'd think he would just have to help Legacy screw Cena out of the title.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Oct 17, 2009 21:26:43 GMT -5
If HBK helped Legacy screw Cena, much of the crowd would be cheering.
There are no frigging faces good enough to have good heel turns anymore!! Maybe if Hardy was here, but that's gone.
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Post by Hanz Moleman on Oct 17, 2009 23:08:26 GMT -5
Just get the man a barber shop window and call it a done deal.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 17, 2009 23:25:57 GMT -5
Why do people think its so hard to turn these old guys heel?
Hogan was able to turn heel after over a decade of being the most beloved face in North America [maybe the world for that matter]. HHH was able to turn heel before just from one Pedigree to HBK [who had been a heel for most of his singles career prior to that including since his return up to that point]. Ric Flair was able to be a heel despite his beloved status just from running with a heel stable in Evolution.
I mean, people act like the crowd wouldn't boo HBK if he screwed over HHH and helped Legacy beat his ass. Then they point to situations like the Chris Jericho storyline where WWE never intended him to be a heel and say IF THE CROWD DIDNT BOO HIM THERE, THEY NEVER WILL!
Why WOULD THEY have booed him there? His faked injury? Accidentally allowing his wife to get punched by a heel? WWE never intended him to be booed, they didn't have him come out and rub it in the fans faces that they thought he was hurt then proceed to fake more injuries, they didn't have him show no concern about his wife and then laugh about it later.
If WWE gives the fans some real reasons to boo a John Cena or an HBK, you know, an ACTUAL HEEL TURN, the majority of crowds are going to follow along and boo the guys.
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