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Post by Long Live the Stream on Oct 22, 2009 5:07:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there was some sort of interference involved. I'm vague on this, didn't they have a cage match at a Cyber Sunday or something with Flair winning clean (well, escaping the cage while Hunter was flat)? Seem to remember it being a very good match too. Yeah, Flair beat him clean in the cage match at Taboo Tuesday in 2005. But, I was saying during the retirement angle in December 2007 when Vince made Triple H face Flair, did Flair beat him clean? Now that I've thought about it, I'm pretty sure Regal interfered and cost Triple H the match. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 22, 2009 5:59:43 GMT -5
Last time he truly put anyone over big was 2005 if that tells you anything...and I was surprised and shocked then. To be fair, I'd say he put over Jeff. It's not like Undertaker isn't 110% guilty of the same thing, to be fair. |
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Post by spagett on Oct 22, 2009 6:06:34 GMT -5
Last time he truly put anyone over big was 2005 if that tells you anything...and I was surprised and shocked then. To be fair, I'd say he put over Jeff. It's not like Undertaker isn't 110% guilty of the same thing, to be fair. Undertaker isn't great at losing matches but even so over the last few years he has still been better than Triple H. Since his return at Summerslam 2007 he has lost about 3 or 4 times and most of those were handicap matches. When you ask how many he has lost one on one you get an even smaller number and when you ask how many has he lost cleanly you get a big fat zero. When even Cena and The Undertaker have lost cleanly within the last year then you have to be able to realise Triple H's stroke gives him such a strong booking it is incredible. He is the only babyface in the company who is impossible to beat. |
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Post by destrucity on Oct 22, 2009 6:15:44 GMT -5
He lost a 3 Stages of Hell Match to Orton at the Bash. It was clean since the rules of the match weren't broken by Legacy.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 22, 2009 6:43:10 GMT -5
Last time he truly put anyone over big was 2005 if that tells you anything...and I was surprised and shocked then. To be fair, I'd say he put over Jeff. Oh he put over Jeff in a big way. And anyone that says he (and Shawn) didnt put over Rhodes/Dibiase huge is kidding themselves |
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on Oct 22, 2009 7:16:33 GMT -5
NEVER! BECAUSE TRIPLE H IS THE DEVIL  Come now, I'm not saying trips puts over a lot of people, because he doesn't. But neither does da undatakuh playa. |
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Post by angryfan on Oct 22, 2009 7:26:02 GMT -5
There's a difference between putting someone over and losing clean. You can get "made" while still doing the job, as long as the guy you're working and the announcers make sure to emphasize (one throguh actions, the others through words) how huge the moment is.
The fact that Trips doesn't lose clean, or without "teh oddz" overcoming him, is not about not putting people over, as the mention of the Legacy angle states. It's about "protecting the charaacter", which is, at this point, the most unnecessary move anyone could make.
If you're the "best", if you're established as being a badass and can always be put in a ME with zero build and have it accepted by the casual fans, then you do NOT need protected. If anything, you can show more weakness since, no matter what happens, the crowds will pop and pay money to see you.
Flair knew this. He was established, he was credible, so he could afford to put people over left and right and, though some would say it damaged his legacy, he still got reactions and to the casual fans, seeing him fighting for a title even after a loss made perfect sense because he was Ric God Damn Flair.
It's almos tas if they're worried about Trips somehow magically losing his credibility with the crowd if he takes a clean pinfall with no shenanigans and doesn't immediately get his win back. It won't happen, of course, but that seems to be the worry.
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Post by spagett on Oct 22, 2009 7:31:31 GMT -5
He lost a 3 Stages of Hell Match to Orton at the Bash. It was clean since the rules of the match weren't broken by Legacy. Was that the match where he lost the first fall by DQ, pinned Orton in the 2nd fall and then lost the third fall after being attacked by 3 men and then rolled over a line? Only to then recover destroy Legacy and end the show arms aloft with his music playing? Yep that sounds like a Triple H loss there in so much that he didn't really lose. The Hulk Hogan Kidman school of putting someone over. |
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Post by Hugh Mungus on Oct 22, 2009 8:38:45 GMT -5
What it is to Wrestlecrappers as Guy Gardner's "One Punch!" was to Green Lantern fans, amirite? |
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Oct 22, 2009 8:45:49 GMT -5
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Post by skiller on Oct 22, 2009 9:25:09 GMT -5
World around is that Steph pins him on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 10:22:27 GMT -5
To be fair, I'd say he put over Jeff. It's not like Undertaker isn't 110% guilty of the same thing, to be fair. Undertaker isn't great at losing matches but even so over the last few years he has still been better than Triple H. Since his return at Summerslam 2007 he has lost about 3 or 4 times and most of those were handicap matches. When you ask how many he has lost one on one you get an even smaller number and when you ask how many has he lost cleanly you get a big fat zero. When even Cena and The Undertaker have lost cleanly within the last year then you have to be able to realise Triple H's stroke gives him such a strong booking it is incredible. He is the only babyface in the company who is impossible to beat. Taker actually did lose cleanly in that buildup to "Who will face Taker at mania?" storyline. Kozlov faced Undertaker in a one on one match and beat him cleanly when Taker went for an old school, Kozlov caught him and powerslammed him for a clean pin. No distractions/interference or anything, was actually really weird. =P HBK then proceeded to beat Kozlov cleanly later on (and break Kozlov's streak of never being pinned/submitted in one on one matches). |
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Post by Dub H on Oct 22, 2009 11:12:51 GMT -5
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Post by spagett on Oct 22, 2009 12:56:19 GMT -5
Undertaker isn't great at losing matches but even so over the last few years he has still been better than Triple H. Since his return at Summerslam 2007 he has lost about 3 or 4 times and most of those were handicap matches. When you ask how many he has lost one on one you get an even smaller number and when you ask how many has he lost cleanly you get a big fat zero. When even Cena and The Undertaker have lost cleanly within the last year then you have to be able to realise Triple H's stroke gives him such a strong booking it is incredible. He is the only babyface in the company who is impossible to beat. Taker actually did lose cleanly in that buildup to "Who will face Taker at mania?" storyline. Kozlov faced Undertaker in a one on one match and beat him cleanly when Taker went for an old school, Kozlov caught him and powerslammed him for a clean pin. No distractions/interference or anything, was actually really weird. =P HBK then proceeded to beat Kozlov cleanly later on (and break Kozlov's streak of never being pinned/submitted in one on one matches). Yeah that was what I was thinking of when I said Undertaker had done the job cleanly within the last year. Cena lost clean twice to Big Show and Orton in the Cell. HBK always loses clean. |
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Post by calibancalhoun on Oct 22, 2009 13:06:50 GMT -5
Taker also lost cleanly to Big Show a few times.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2009 22:38:47 GMT -5
Taker also lost cleanly to Big Show a few times. and to Hardy in a hardcore match before he won the title for the first time i believe |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Oct 23, 2009 0:37:34 GMT -5
lol at the fact that when i typed orton down, i got 12 down |
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Post by Mecca on Oct 23, 2009 1:12:06 GMT -5
Basically Triple H is the strongest booked character of the past decade and is still protected, I'd love for someone to tell me what kind of sense that makes.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 23, 2009 1:16:23 GMT -5
And people like to downplay his stroke on here. What is his win loss record of the last 3 years? 500/3? In other words, he's the live-action Kenshiro? YOUR PUSH IS ALREADY DEAD. |
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Post by ghettooverlord on Oct 23, 2009 1:42:56 GMT -5
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