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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 22:01:41 GMT -5
I haven't seen the match yet, but it sounds like it was actually a great match. Ending sounds a bit dumb though. I am not sure how long Orton was in the STF, but with the title on the line and only a few seconds left him tapping makes no sense. Him holding on a few seconds longer would be much more logical as Cena would have had to break the hold once time ran out. Yeah, but it's Orton. Orton is suppose to be a weak, chicken s***, it wouldn't make sense for him to hold on to the WWE Universe. I get that, but its still silly to me. If he is that much of a wuss he shouldn't be winning titles anyway. You know what I mean? He can be a coward but he shouldn't be portrayed as jobber. Jobbers do things like tap out ASAP when they could hold on a few seconds. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 25, 2009 22:02:23 GMT -5
Oh God.... I just realized what's going to happen.
Ted DiBiase : WWE Champion.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 22:03:56 GMT -5
I haven't seen the match yet, but it sounds like it was actually a great match. Ending sounds a bit dumb though. I am not sure how long Orton was in the STF, but with the title on the line and only a few seconds left him tapping makes no sense. Him holding on a few seconds longer would be much more logical as Cena would have had to break the hold once time ran out. Where do you get that conclusion exactly? Nothing I've ever seen or watched suggest the hold would need to be broken. Also, the clock keeps going with the 30 second break. The clock doesn't actually stop. So that's why the bell rang with 3 seconds left since Orton could NOT win. And finally, as has been mentioned already, there is NO REMATCH CLAUSE. Uhm, the very first Iron Man Match in WWF history ended during a submission and Hart broke the Sharpshooter because the clock ran out. That has always been the rule... If the clock runs out, the match is restarted. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Oct 25, 2009 22:04:56 GMT -5
Oh God.... I just realized what's going to happen. Ted DiBiase : WWE Champion. That reign from 1988 is finally going to be deemed official? *fingers crossed that The Rockers' phantom reign gets deemed official too* |
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Post by nightmares on Oct 25, 2009 22:05:52 GMT -5
Oh God.... I just realized what's going to happen. Ted DiBiase : WWE Champion. Rather see this over super cena as champ again |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 25, 2009 22:06:05 GMT -5
Oh God.... I just realized what's going to happen. Ted DiBiase : WWE Champion. That reign from 1988 is finally going to be deemed official? *fingers crossed that The Rockers' phantom reign gets deemed official too* No, not Dear Old Dad, but The Marine II. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 22:07:57 GMT -5
I say Orton gets a rematch, based on him having the pin on Cena while the referee was down.
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 25, 2009 22:08:24 GMT -5
I say Orton gets a rematch, based on him having the pin on Cena while the referee was down. But this ended the feud! |
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Post by Robbymac on Oct 25, 2009 22:11:41 GMT -5
Orton is not getting a rematch. Calm down people
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Oct 25, 2009 22:12:38 GMT -5
I say Orton gets a rematch, based on him having the pin on Cena while the referee was down. I still am pretty sure that Cena said that Orton never gets another shot at him. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 22:14:16 GMT -5
I say Orton gets a rematch, based on him having the pin on Cena while the referee was down. I still am pretty sure that Cena said that Orton never gets another shot at him. Retcons are your friend! |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Oct 25, 2009 22:15:06 GMT -5
Good show, in my opinion.
Also, Hart Dynasty (Kidd and Smith, not Natalya) are now undefeated on PPV.
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Post by Soultastic on Oct 25, 2009 22:15:48 GMT -5
I say Orton gets a rematch, based on him having the pin on Cena while the referee was down. I still am pretty sure that Cena said that Orton never gets another shot at him. Hopefully but I wouldn't be surprised if this were to happen: HHH takes the belt away from Cena tomorrow night. Cena and Orton feud again. |
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Post by mrjl on Oct 25, 2009 22:16:33 GMT -5
Where do you get that conclusion exactly? Nothing I've ever seen or watched suggest the hold would need to be broken. Also, the clock keeps going with the 30 second break. The clock doesn't actually stop. So that's why the bell rang with 3 seconds left since Orton could NOT win. And finally, as has been mentioned already, there is NO REMATCH CLAUSE. Uhm, the very first Iron Man Match in WWF history ended during a submission and Hart broke the Sharpshooter because the clock ran out. That has always been the rule... If the clock runs out, the match is restarted. yeah, but this is an anything goes Iron Man match. No DQ's to threaten Cena with is he doesn't break the hold. And Orton's buddies who might run in and break it up are STILL being chased by Kofi with that chair. |
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Post by Beebs is the Final Girl on Oct 25, 2009 22:19:58 GMT -5
Oh God.... I just realized what's going to happen. Ted DiBiase : WWE Champion. hell f'n yes!!! |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 22:26:30 GMT -5
Uhm, the very first Iron Man Match in WWF history ended during a submission and Hart broke the Sharpshooter because the clock ran out. That has always been the rule... If the clock runs out, the match is restarted. yeah, but this is an anything goes Iron Man match. No DQ's to threaten Cena with is he doesn't break the hold. And Orton's buddies who might run in and break it up are STILL being chased by Kofi with that chair. Cena wouldn't have been DQed. The match just would have been over. Thats how Iron Man matches work. Once time runs out the match is restarted into overtime. So anything that happens between the time limit expiring and the match being restarted doesn't count. That is how they have always worked, regardless of stipulations. Now, if the rules had somehow been changed due to the No DQ nature of the match, perhaps the announcers should have clarified. I haven't seen the match but I imagine the announcers were probably making a big deal about the time running out while Orton was in the STF. If Orton tapping after the bell would have still meant he lost, why would the announcers do that? If they didn't then I stand corrected, but even having not seen the match yet I am sure they probably did. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Oct 25, 2009 22:28:08 GMT -5
Yeah, but it's Orton. Orton is suppose to be a weak, chicken s***, it wouldn't make sense for him to hold on to the WWE Universe. I get that, but its still silly to me. If he is that much of a wuss he shouldn't be winning titles anyway. You know what I mean? He can be a coward but he shouldn't be portrayed as jobber. Jobbers do things like tap out ASAP when they could hold on a few seconds. Yeah, it's stupid to me too. But hey, that's the current WWE logic, what exactly can we do about it? |
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Post by mrjl on Oct 25, 2009 22:31:33 GMT -5
yeah, but this is an anything goes Iron Man match. No DQ's to threaten Cena with is he doesn't break the hold. And Orton's buddies who might run in and break it up are STILL being chased by Kofi with that chair. Cena wouldn't have been DQed. The match just would have been over. Thats how Iron Man matches work. Once time runs out the match is restarted into overtime. So anything that happens between the time limit expiring and the match being restarted doesn't count. That is how they have always worked, regardless of stipulations. Now, if the rules had somehow been changed due to the No DQ nature of the match, perhaps the announcers should have clarified. I haven't seen the match but I imagine the announcers were probably making a big deal about the time running out while Orton was in the STF. If Orton tapping after the bell would have still meant he lost, why would the announcers do that? If they didn't then I stand corrected, but even having not seen the match yet I am sure they probably did. they specifically said that there would be overtime if it was a draw. If Cena knew there would be overtime why would he have any reason to undo it? Either the refs give up and say ring the bell to restart it with the STF still on or Orton passes out before he lets go and then he pins him when it restarts. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 25, 2009 22:34:39 GMT -5
Cena wouldn't have been DQed. The match just would have been over. Thats how Iron Man matches work. Once time runs out the match is restarted into overtime. So anything that happens between the time limit expiring and the match being restarted doesn't count. That is how they have always worked, regardless of stipulations. Now, if the rules had somehow been changed due to the No DQ nature of the match, perhaps the announcers should have clarified. I haven't seen the match but I imagine the announcers were probably making a big deal about the time running out while Orton was in the STF. If Orton tapping after the bell would have still meant he lost, why would the announcers do that? If they didn't then I stand corrected, but even having not seen the match yet I am sure they probably did. they specifically said that there would be overtime if it was a draw. If Cena knew there would be overtime why would he have any reason to undo it? Either the refs give up and say ring the bell to restart it with the STF still on or Orton passes out before he lets go and then he pins him when it restarts. Did you see the match? I didn't so I cannot talk about specifics. If you did, what were the announcers saying while Orton was in the STF and the clock was ticking down? Were they talking about Orton trying to hold on until time ran out? I am assuming they were stressing the drama of the situation. If Orton passing out or tapping out after time runs out still means he loses...no drama. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2009 22:38:14 GMT -5
they specifically said that there would be overtime if it was a draw. If Cena knew there would be overtime why would he have any reason to undo it? Either the refs give up and say ring the bell to restart it with the STF still on or Orton passes out before he lets go and then he pins him when it restarts. Did you see the match? I didn't so I cannot talk about specifics. If you did, what were the announcers saying while Orton was in the STF and the clock was ticking down? Were they talking about Orton trying to hold on until time ran out? I am assuming they were stressing the drama of the situation. If Orton passing out or tapping out after time runs out still means he loses...no drama. They talked about him trying to hold on and squirming to try and get some relief. I was hoping they would have him not tap until the bell rang and, throw some controversy in it. |
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