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Post by motormouf on Oct 26, 2009 22:20:40 GMT -5
fter the gone on too long Cena vsOrton feud. The new direction is....................................................surprise Cena vs HHH with HBK thrown in.AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWE really isnt trying anymore. Its like theyre not doing anything fresh at all with the main event. Just the same guys over and over and over. Cena vs HBK, DONE. CENA VS HBK. DONE HHH VS HBK NOT SEEN IN A WHILE BUT DONE. Mean while tons of new guys just float around in midcard limbo. Thus us just getting annoying. Isnt this sorta stuff what helped to kill WCW?- Older Maineventers being constantly reused over and over Hogan ,Nash etc??
Thread title edited since it's not a spoiler.
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Oct 26, 2009 22:21:47 GMT -5
Well if they're at least going to show us they are trying to give slow developed builds to Kofi, Swagger and Miz it should be worth the wait.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 26, 2009 22:22:30 GMT -5
Who else is freed up?
Orton vs Kofi
Swagger and Miz feuding
Legacy in Limbo for some reason.
There really isn't anyone else to ME against Cena for a while. and like i said in the Raw thread, the 3 have a proven track record of working great against one another. i don't think it'll really be worth going ape shit over.
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Post by Robbymac on Oct 26, 2009 22:26:11 GMT -5
Hard to complain now. They did a piss poor job of building anyone really to take that spot.
You can't really hotshot someone into a World Title match at one of the big four.
They took the first steps towards getting some guys ready for that spot soon, but now really isn't the time. Plus Shawn is in there, so it should be great.
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Post by primetime110 on Oct 26, 2009 22:28:51 GMT -5
At least they changed the SD world title scene putting Show vs Taker instead of Taker vs punk again.
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Post by Tombi on Oct 26, 2009 22:31:04 GMT -5
You're really grasping if you're willing to complain about stuff like HHH vs. HBK. There's only a certain amount of freshness that can happen, and that often means stuff being repeated over the course of a few years at least. When was the last time this exact Triple Threat match happened? I'm sure it was more than a few months ago. Shawn hasn't been in the title picture in over a year now.
Main event wrestlers appear in main events. Raw's actually doing its part in building up new top tier stars; but they're not just going to be thrown on PPV main events to "become stars" overnight because, quite frankly; the crowd isn't interested. They want big names and for all intents and purposes this is a pretty good mix for my money - I love me some HBK in the title picture.
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Post by forgottensinpwf on Oct 26, 2009 22:34:09 GMT -5
You're really grasping if you're willing to complain about stuff like HHH vs. HBK. There's only a certain amount of freshness that can happen, and that often means stuff being repeated over the course of a few years at least. When was the last time this exact Triple Threat match happened? I'm sure it was more than a few months ago. Main event wrestlers appear in main events. Raw's actually doing its part in building up new top tier stars; but they're not just going to be thrown on PPV main events to "become stars" overnight because, quite frankly; the crowd isn't interested. They want big names and for all intents and purposes this is a pretty good mix for my money - I love me some HBK in the title picture. This. Swagger, Miz, and the like are great stars, but they are far from ready to be PPV Headliners. Especially one of the big 4 PPVs like Survivor Series. |
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Post by motormouf on Oct 26, 2009 22:36:25 GMT -5
fair enough, but please
NO MORE HHH VS CENA, 5 TIMES IS ENOUGH I was hoping the secret guy was Punk since his taker feud was app over
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2009 22:37:18 GMT -5
I'm thinking this is where Michaels takes the title, to set up him and Trips at Mania. Alternatively, Trips does the job to Cena (gasp!), and then Michaels takes it in a Tables match or something at TLC.
Either way, I really have no interest in this match at all. It's different, sure, but I've seen enough Cena / Trips, Cena / Michaels, and especially Trips / Michaels to last me a lifetime.
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Post by comahan on Oct 26, 2009 22:39:14 GMT -5
Honestly, the addition of Shawn makes it work for me. Havent seen Shawn/Trips in like 5 years, and havent seen Shawn/Cena in almost 3 now.
Cena/HHH matches are always 'good', but they just seem sort of boring/stale. Shawn adds a sort of flare to the match that isnt there normally.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Oct 27, 2009 1:27:41 GMT -5
Honestly, HBK vs. HHH is way better than Orton vs. Cena. At least I know I won't be bored.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 27, 2009 1:29:40 GMT -5
The only way I won't hate this match is if Michaels wins. I'm sick of him losing all his WWE and World Title matches. If Undertaker's old broken down ass can be World Champion, why the hell can't Shawn Michaels?
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Post by dh03grad on Oct 27, 2009 1:50:14 GMT -5
You're really grasping if you're willing to complain about stuff like HHH vs. HBK. There's only a certain amount of freshness that can happen, and that often means stuff being repeated over the course of a few years at least. When was the last time this exact Triple Threat match happened? I'm sure it was more than a few months ago. Shawn hasn't been in the title picture in over a year now. Main event wrestlers appear in main events. Raw's actually doing its part in building up new top tier stars; but they're not just going to be thrown on PPV main events to "become stars" overnight because, quite frankly; the crowd isn't interested. They want big names and for all intents and purposes this is a pretty good mix for my money - I love me some HBK in the title picture. Was Shawn Michaels and John Cena cemented main eventers when they had their first PPV title shots? Big Show won the title his first match. Guys cant get elevated unless they are put in those situations, even if jobbing. With the brand split and having two world title matches on PPV, they could easily have had Cena defend against Swagger in the mid card and had Taker main event. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 3:38:53 GMT -5
You're really grasping if you're willing to complain about stuff like HHH vs. HBK. There's only a certain amount of freshness that can happen, and that often means stuff being repeated over the course of a few years at least. When was the last time this exact Triple Threat match happened? I'm sure it was more than a few months ago. Shawn hasn't been in the title picture in over a year now. Main event wrestlers appear in main events. Raw's actually doing its part in building up new top tier stars; but they're not just going to be thrown on PPV main events to "become stars" overnight because, quite frankly; the crowd isn't interested. They want big names and for all intents and purposes this is a pretty good mix for my money - I love me some HBK in the title picture. Was Shawn Michaels and John Cena cemented main eventers when they had their first PPV title shots? Big Show won the title his first match. Guys cant get elevated unless they are put in those situations, even if jobbing. With the brand split and having two world title matches on PPV, they could easily have had Cena defend against Swagger in the mid card and had Taker main event. Exactly. Plus for those bringing up that this is one of the "big four"... hate to inform you, but the Survivor Series is a worthless filler PPV. It has been for years. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 27, 2009 3:46:37 GMT -5
Any apologists here are just ingrained to mediocrity. Point blank.
Well, its a worthless filler PPV and these are the only stars WWE has been able to make. All those other guys who have been around two years or more just arent ready yet.
Yawn. Guess I shouldn't buy this worthless filler PPV. Good business sense on the part of WWE.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Oct 27, 2009 3:50:42 GMT -5
Any apologists here are just ingrained to mediocrity. Point blank. Well, its a worthless filler PPV and these are the only stars WWE has been able to make. All those other guys who have been around two years or more just arent ready yet. Yawn. Guess I shouldn't buy this worthless filler PPV. Good business sense on the part of WWE. More people in the WWE universe will pay to see Cena/HHH/HBK than a Cena/Swagger, Cena/Miz, Cena/MVP, etc. match right now. The WWE hasn't done enough to build any of those guys up...so even though most of the IWC wants to see something new, if they went ahead and did it at this PPV...it would end up falling flat and nobody would care.(in the core WWE audience that is) They gotta go with what makes money if they aren't going to try and hotshot guys(which isn't good to do anyway) and sadly for us who like fresh things, Cena/HHH/HBK MAKE MONEY. |
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Post by Schattenjager on Oct 27, 2009 4:48:13 GMT -5
Honestly, the addition of Shawn makes it work for me. Havent seen Shawn/Trips in like 5 years, and havent seen Shawn/Cena in almost 3 now. Cena/HHH matches are always 'good', but they just seem sort of boring/stale. Shawn adds a sort of flare to the match that isnt there normally. The last time we saw HBK vs. Cena was earlier this year, actually. It was in the middle of the JBL employment storyline. |
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Oct 27, 2009 6:57:00 GMT -5
People just need to read HHH's interview about building stars up slowly. It makes total sense, is correct and is best for business.
Anyway, despite the fact that these guys aren't 'fresh' main eventers, the storyline is fresh. Since when have DX had to go against each other for the title, while being friends? I'm going to love to see what happens when Cena gets thrown out of the ring at Survivor Series and how they play it off. Also how they do the build up - will there be comedy? Will they be a more serious version of DX?
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Post by angryfan on Oct 27, 2009 7:02:07 GMT -5
I prefer a slow build for stars, as it builds anticipation. I have zero issue with them doing the "slow burn" on guys, because, in the end, the crowd will want it more.
My issue is this, they seem to wait until they are out of options, or until they have rehashed a matchup five times before they even begin to build new stars, and then become impatient when the new guy doesn't catch fire like they might want him to.
Just because you've got a program, and it's going well, doesn't mean you can't build someone in the undercard with a "slow build" at the same time, so that when the top feud ends, you have someone who is peaking and ready to step up.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Oct 27, 2009 7:13:49 GMT -5
I prefer a slow build for stars, as it builds anticipation. I have zero issue with them doing the "slow burn" on guys, because, in the end, the crowd will want it more. My issue is this, they seem to wait until they are out of options, or until they have rehashed a matchup five times before they even begin to build new stars, and then become impatient when the new guy doesn't catch fire like they might want him to. Just because you've got a program, and it's going well, doesn't mean you can't build someone in the undercard with a "slow build" at the same time, so that when the top feud ends, you have someone who is peaking and ready to step up. Well, on the much maligned Raw, we have Kofi now being elevated, with Miz and Swagger experiencing a slow build while Cena and Orton finished off their feud. Where's the problem? It's not waiting until you are out of options, it's milking as much money from your money guys as possible. The internet may be sick of Cena/Orton, but the crowd still enjoys it. See when Orton chucked Kofi off the stage, they were chanting for Cena to make the save. So as long as a story has legs in the eyes of the audience, they may as well do the matches for them. It would be a bit strange if they done one Cena/Orton match, then gave Kofi a title shot, then went back to Cena/Orton, then gave Swagger a shot, then went back to Cena/Orton etc. They wouldn't have appeared to be as big a rivals as they did. |
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