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Post by wildojinx on Oct 13, 2009 21:21:12 GMT -5
Does anyone think that joining the nWo in 1997 was better for Randy Savage's career? I mean, if he hadnt joined he would have just ended up feuding with the nWo AGAIN and jobbing, but by joining the nwo he was able to revitalize himself with his feud with ddp (which also gave ddp credibility). Plus, he was awesome as a heel in his role, too bad his 1999 heel run was kind of lame (that had more to do with him being ridiculously pumped up though).
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Oct 13, 2009 21:37:50 GMT -5
Eh, prolonged it maybe. I consider Savage in WCW the same way as Michael Jordon as a Washington Wizard. He was there but it just wasn't the same. Although I do have to hand it to him. It takes a pair of brass ones to come out with 3 valets.
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Post by jfpierce on Oct 13, 2009 21:39:36 GMT -5
It gave us the feud with DDP, which I would put up against anything he did in the WWF, so sure.
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Post by lildude8218 on Oct 13, 2009 21:56:48 GMT -5
I think he's the main thing that caused it to explode. If you look at the nWo history, he's what caused them to break up, then once he was gone, they got back together.
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Post by tarheelfan on Oct 13, 2009 22:12:34 GMT -5
Eh, prolonged it maybe. I consider Savage in WCW the same way as Michael Jordon as a Washington Wizard. He was there but it just wasn't the same. Although I do have to hand it to him. It takes a pair of brass ones to come out with 3 valets. I totally agree. Savage was a main event type wrestler by default in WCW but everyone knew that he would never carry the ball for a very lengthy amount of time. |
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Post by ICBM on Oct 13, 2009 22:49:34 GMT -5
He got a couple of second chance career boosts over there in Atlanta. Fued w/Flair did big biz, NWO, Wolfpack formation w/Nash, then his Buff come back in summer 99. He did alright over there. But he was stagnate until the nwo picked him up sure
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Post by romafan87 on Oct 14, 2009 1:38:56 GMT -5
He got a couple of second chance career boosts over there in Atlanta. Fued w/Flair did big biz, NWO, Wolfpack formation w/Nash, then his Buff come back in summer 99. He did alright over there. But he was stagnate until the nwo picked him up sure Actually, his feud with Flair tanked and cost the company a lot of money. Starcade 95 did significantly worse than 94, which was headlined by Butcher v. Hogan. |
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Post by celticjobber on Oct 14, 2009 2:31:33 GMT -5
I never really liked him in WCW, for whatever reason he just never seemed the same after leaving the WWF.
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Post by BxB on Oct 14, 2009 3:02:30 GMT -5
He got a couple of second chance career boosts over there in Atlanta. Fued w/Flair did big biz, NWO, Wolfpack formation w/Nash, then his Buff come back in summer 99. He did alright over there. But he was stagnate until the nwo picked him up sure Actually, his feud with Flair tanked and cost the company a lot of money. Starcade 95 did significantly worse than 94, which was headlined by Butcher v. Hogan. Where have you read that? I read in the death of WCW book that the Flair-Savage feud is what kept the house show gates strong. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 14, 2009 5:15:17 GMT -5
I would say so.
Ditto for Hogan. He was dead in the water until becoming the third man.
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Post by Brother Ike: Thread Killer on Oct 14, 2009 6:34:18 GMT -5
Actually, his feud with Flair tanked and cost the company a lot of money. Starcade 95 did significantly worse than 94, which was headlined by Butcher v. Hogan. Where have you read that? I read in the death of WCW book that the Flair-Savage feud is what kept the house show gates strong. I was about to say the same thing, I assume the buy rate dropped because of the NJPW influence. |
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Post by tarheelfan on Oct 14, 2009 12:23:28 GMT -5
I never really liked him in WCW, for whatever reason he just never seemed the same after leaving the WWF. In a way I agree. It was almost like he lost the it factor in WCW. Although he was already an established legend of sorts he just wasn't the same in WCW. The same could be said about Brett Hart. Although it never felt like Savage was out of place in WCW like it was for Hart to a huge degree IMHO. |
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Post by quantum on Oct 14, 2009 13:25:21 GMT -5
I never really liked him in WCW, for whatever reason he just never seemed the same after leaving the WWF. In a way I agree. It was almost like he lost the it factor in WCW. Although he was already an established legend of sorts he just wasn't the same in WCW. The same could be said about Brett Hart. Although it never felt like Savage was out of place in WCW like it was for Hart to a huge degree IMHO. I would agree with this also |
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 14, 2009 14:41:12 GMT -5
I think 'prolonged' is the better word, yeah. It gave him some heel credibility and a direction he needed.
As a character though, Savage was always the crazy loner type so he kinda stuck out in the group.
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 14, 2009 18:06:26 GMT -5
I feel he got lost in the NWO because they had so many times. I feel he would have stood out and done a lot better if he stayed the way he was as a face. He could had made small changes and remained face.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Oct 14, 2009 18:26:52 GMT -5
I always considered his feud with DDP to be his last hurrah
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Post by wasimperviz on Oct 14, 2009 18:30:19 GMT -5
I always considered his feud with DDP to be his last hurrah His feud with DDP which just very well done. A lot came from it. They had some of the best matches in WCW history. Very underrated feud. |
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Post by Ultimo Chocula on Oct 14, 2009 19:48:49 GMT -5
I always considered his feud with DDP to be his last hurrah I'll buy that for a dollar. |
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Post by romafan87 on Oct 14, 2009 22:28:09 GMT -5
Where have you read that? I read in the death of WCW book that the Flair-Savage feud is what kept the house show gates strong. I was about to say the same thing, I assume the buy rate dropped because of the NJPW influence. Take a look for yourselves. Starrcade 94 did a .6 whereas Starrcade 95 did a .36. Superbrawl 96, which had Flair v. Savage for the title, did a .63 compared to a .95 the year previous. Uncensored had the cage match that had the Alliance to End Hulkamania and did a .70 versus a .96 the year previous, and so on and so forth until you get to Fall Brawl. The company was rapidly losing fans and the NWO couldn't even turn around the buyrates right away. They were still giving away thousands of tickets for free to their pay per views and taping their TV in front of free audiences, so I would argue against them saving the house show gates. In fact, they only faced each other 12 times on house shows, five other times on TV and PPV, from January 1996 through July 1996, never seeing a sell out: www.thehistoryofwwe.com/wcw96.htmAnd if you look here, 100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/pages/wcw/wcwnitro.htm, you'll see that WCW ratings were steady through the feud until Hogan left and didn't pick back up until Hall started to appear. I would point to this and say that a number of things were contributing to the falling fortunes of WCW at this point, but that Flair v. Savage was definitely not helping. |
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Post by Youngie on Oct 15, 2009 6:44:13 GMT -5
To answer the original question:
I think it did. As other guys have said if he hadn't joined the nWo he would've just been wiped out by the group. What's the point in that? He didn't exactly draw in WCW as a face. So being in the nWo gave him great prominence and allowed him to be the focus of attention (just behind Hogan). But I don't know if he'd have been half as much over without Miss Liz.
But yes he was going nowhere as a face.
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