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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Nov 16, 2009 6:33:39 GMT -5
Not going to lie, I would have broken this rule the second this was announced. Goddamn this is stupid.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 16, 2009 6:51:18 GMT -5
Try being a parent, then say the same thing. As asasine and worthless as that rule is, it's still a rule. And if they told them they would be suspended if they said it, then they deserve it for being stupid enough to do it. The rule should be dropped, but the students don't need to be breaking them I have the exact opposite approach. I think people have a duty of sorts to break stupid rules and laws. I don't want to go into too much detail, because it can get pretty political, but whenever I have this debate with someone I point to Rosa Parks. Then you should be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. And this is hardly a Rosa Parks argument, because nobody is being discriminated against for their race. They're just being punished for being a bunch of irritiating little kids.
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Post by stealthamo on Nov 16, 2009 7:12:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I saw this on an episode of the cartoon show Recess. lol "Man this whomps!!!" Stuff like this are the reasons I have given up on society having any common sense. Seriously, as a whole we are morons.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 16, 2009 7:14:48 GMT -5
Stupid meeping school, I oughta meep meep and meep them up and meep all over their meepen meep, meep so help meeeeeeep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sorry i had to get that out. whew.
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Post by biafra on Nov 16, 2009 7:23:43 GMT -5
I have the exact opposite approach. I think people have a duty of sorts to break stupid rules and laws. I don't want to go into too much detail, because it can get pretty political, but whenever I have this debate with someone I point to Rosa Parks. I agree and I am a parent btw. We used to have stupid totally worthless rules in our school and we rebelled against them. I would be something totally different if this was about an offensive word but MEEP? Seriously. IMO if you teach your kid to obey every rule by your school or any superior no matter how stupid, you teach them to stop critical thinking at an early age and that's dangerous. I'll stop now. I agree.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Nov 16, 2009 7:25:27 GMT -5
Looks like I'll be sending my kids to a private school (whenever I have kids, that is).
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Post by Madman Szalinski on Nov 16, 2009 7:26:04 GMT -5
I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL PISTOL WHIP THE NEXT ONE OF YOU THAT SAYS MEEP!!!
And this was the student's reaction...
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Post by biafra on Nov 16, 2009 7:26:21 GMT -5
Looks like I'll be sending my kids to a private school (whenever I have kids, that is). Most of the times they are even more strict and have even more stupid rules.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Nov 16, 2009 7:27:04 GMT -5
I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL PISTOL WHIP THE NEXT ONE OF YOU THAT SAYS MEEP!!!
And this was the student's reaction... "Hey Farva, what did the Road Runner always say?" Looks like I'll be sending my kids to a private school (whenever I have kids, that is). Most of the times they are even more strict and have even more stupid rules. Good point.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 16, 2009 7:50:08 GMT -5
I can see both sides, but if, as the article stated, a single teacher felt "threatened" by the use of the word "meep" then that speaks volumes. A school needs to have rules and, agree or not, they need to be followed, but if the reason for setting said rule is to appease one person out of the entire population, that's an issue.
If a student, for the sake of argument let's say a special needs student with mental disabilities, became terrified when someone said "pencil" would it make sense for the school to ban the use of the word pencil by the student body since, kids being kids, some would go out of there way to say it just to drive the kid crazy?
If you bend to one, you have to do it in all cases, and that's a very slippery slope. Some students will, at some point, go after a similar word and be turned down, which will lead to a lawsuit. I just have that feeling.
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Post by Munkie91087 on Nov 16, 2009 8:23:35 GMT -5
Well, I can never send my son, Meep to this school.
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Post by thesam07 on Nov 16, 2009 8:31:35 GMT -5
I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL PISTOL WHIP THE NEXT ONE OF YOU THAT SAYS MEEP!!!
And this was the student's reaction... "Hey Farva, what did the Road Runner always say?" Most of the times they are even more strict and have even more stupid rules. Good point.[/quote] Meep?.....he said Meep, right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2009 8:48:21 GMT -5
Damn. I was hoping the word would be Ni. Then we can call the kids who say Ni knights!
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 16, 2009 8:48:45 GMT -5
it's not up to people what rules they pick to obey, no matter how ludicrous it may seem. There are better ways of airing grievance than just breaking them. Agreed. Kids need to be taught that there *are* rules and than there are *consiquence* to your actions if you choose not to follow. As it is, we live in a "my kid is special" society, where alot of parents think their kids are beyond the rules
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Post by ani on Nov 16, 2009 8:54:22 GMT -5
They are now no longer the kids who say meep, they are the kids who say icky icky patang zooom....
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 16, 2009 8:55:50 GMT -5
I can see both sides, but if, as the article stated, a single teacher felt "threatened" by the use of the word "meep" then that speaks volumes. A school needs to have rules and, agree or not, they need to be followed, but if the reason for setting said rule is to appease one person out of the entire population, that's an issue. If a student, for the sake of argument let's say a special needs student with mental disabilities, became terrified when someone said "pencil" would it make sense for the school to ban the use of the word pencil by the student body since, kids being kids, some would go out of there way to say it just to drive the kid crazy? If you bend to one, you have to do it in all cases, and that's a very slippery slope. Some students will, at some point, go after a similar word and be turned down, which will lead to a lawsuit. I just have that feeling. Well, it was also a student that said the teacher felt threatened, not the teacher. Jounalistic integrity at its finest. Give the students a free microphone, but don't bother talking to the teachers.
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Post by Pervy Stone Cold on Nov 16, 2009 9:29:24 GMT -5
See, the parents aren't upset about the ban. They had fair warning, I mean some rules like the "no-touching rule" are worth being worried about. It is so ridiculously easy to avoid saying the word meep that a student actually has to try to get suspended.
That said, the word meep doesn't deserve a ban, but a ban on the word doesn't affect anything really unless you are daring to get in trouble.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 16, 2009 9:35:33 GMT -5
I can see both sides, but if, as the article stated, a single teacher felt "threatened" by the use of the word "meep" then that speaks volumes. A school needs to have rules and, agree or not, they need to be followed, but if the reason for setting said rule is to appease one person out of the entire population, that's an issue. If a student, for the sake of argument let's say a special needs student with mental disabilities, became terrified when someone said "pencil" would it make sense for the school to ban the use of the word pencil by the student body since, kids being kids, some would go out of there way to say it just to drive the kid crazy? If you bend to one, you have to do it in all cases, and that's a very slippery slope. Some students will, at some point, go after a similar word and be turned down, which will lead to a lawsuit. I just have that feeling. Well, it was also a student that said the teacher felt threatened, not the teacher. Jounalistic integrity at its finest. Give the students a free microphone, but don't bother talking to the teachers. I agree that that's a major flaw, given that they didn't get a word from the person who was supposedly offended by the heavy meeping, but the point would remain regardless who the individual was as long as only one person felt there was an issue and that lead to action being taken. If it stays with this instance, and no one decides to "up the anty" and start lodging similar complaints, a bullet can be dodged, but consider the "what if". What if a student decides to file a similar complaint? Will the school put a similar "no tolerance" policy in effect? What happens if they don't? If you start the ball rolling with "word bans", then, to keep yourself covered legally, you've got to treat all complaints with the same level of seriousness. Problem is, many will try to exploit this situation and go overboard with it. As a result, the school may say, "sorry, but this is frivilous, we won't suspend someone for saying crayon". They're right, it IS frivilous, but if the student (or more specifically their lawyer) counters with "how is it less threatening than a nonsense word that has no meaning at all?" the argument the school will be making is, "we get to decide what words are negative, and decisions are arbitrary based upon the validity we give to the individuals making the complaint". A teacher's issue with a word that, to the best of my knowledge, has no meaning whatsoever, is not the same as offensive language such as an ethnic slur or obscenity. It's just a noise. It amy be annoying as all hell, and stupid to boot, but it is still an action that carries zero meaning. To add some weight to it, to make it a punishable offense, is saying "we have determined that there IS a negative meaning to this noise, because someone feels that it is being directed at them even though it is used in situations where they are not present in person or in thought." All I argue is that this same complaint can be leveled at any time, for any reason, and, though the complaint will be no less mind-bogglingly stupid, it will, by the school's actions in this case, force a similar response to other nonsensical complaints.
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Post by YellowJacketY2J on Nov 16, 2009 9:40:08 GMT -5
Whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me?"
Also, on the topic of the kids suffering the consequences, I agree that they knew ahead of time and should get in trouble (even over something so frivolous). I do believe, however, that the kids are doing what I would be doing in this situation: rebelling against a stupid rule to prove a point.
My tenth grade history teacher told our class once, "If you feel like rebelling, go right ahead and do it. Just accept the consequences that come along with it and don't whine like a bunch of babies. Make a stand against the rule to prove its asinine."
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Post by Shane Leroy Matthews on Nov 16, 2009 9:41:40 GMT -5
Well, I can't add much to this because it's impossible without getting really political but I will say this one thing to underline my last point:
DON'T TEACH YOUR KIDS TO STOP CRITICAL THINKING AND OBEY EVERYTHING BECAUSE SOMEONE SAID SO!
Kids should have enough imagination to stop the meeping and start the freeping the next morning ;-)
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