Bo Rida
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 16, 2009 9:46:36 GMT -5
I can understand punishing the kid but why a suspension, it seems more like a lunch time detention offence to me. If that's how they treat saying "meep" they must expel people for swearing and execute them for fighting.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 16, 2009 9:49:24 GMT -5
I can see both sides, but if, as the article stated, a single teacher felt "threatened" by the use of the word "meep" then that speaks volumes. A school needs to have rules and, agree or not, they need to be followed, but if the reason for setting said rule is to appease one person out of the entire population, that's an issue. If a student, for the sake of argument let's say a special needs student with mental disabilities, became terrified when someone said "pencil" would it make sense for the school to ban the use of the word pencil by the student body since, kids being kids, some would go out of there way to say it just to drive the kid crazy? If you bend to one, you have to do it in all cases, and that's a very slippery slope. Some students will, at some point, go after a similar word and be turned down, which will lead to a lawsuit. I just have that feeling. Well, it was also a student that said the teacher felt threatened, not the teacher. Jounalistic integrity at its finest. Give the students a free microphone, but don't bother talking to the teachers. Schools are tricky like that, it's likely that the school wouldn't comment specifically on why or let reporters talk to the specific teacher involved.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 16, 2009 9:49:37 GMT -5
My tenth grade history teacher told our class once, "If you feel like rebelling, go right ahead and do it. Just accept the consequences that come along with it and don't whine like a bunch of babies. Make a stand against the rule to prove its asinine." He makes a good point. Problem is that alot of people are for rebelling, but NOBODY has the heart to suffer the consequences anymore.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 16, 2009 10:03:45 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I saw this on an episode of the cartoon show Recess. lol "Man this whomps!!!" Stuff like this are the reasons I have given up on society having any common sense. Seriously, as a whole we are morons. If a school is more concerned about kids saying meep than they are about how messed up and pathetic the U.S. educational system is then I say screw'em. Without getting into politics, school systems in general are behind, US being just one of them. The world has outgrown the meager schooling that use to suffice. About the "meep" thing, it's just very stupid. I could understand maybe detention for doing it in class, but in the hallways? That is not obstructing learning if it's between periods. Even if that was the case, though, why suspension instead of detention? Why does it have the same punishment more or less as, say, taking a yearbook and throwing at the wall in the middle of class? Hell, even that would get you into less trouble.
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Post by Red Impact on Nov 16, 2009 10:04:00 GMT -5
My tenth grade history teacher told our class once, "If you feel like rebelling, go right ahead and do it. Just accept the consequences that come along with it and don't whine like a bunch of babies. Make a stand against the rule to prove its asinine." He makes a good point. Problem is that alot of people are for rebelling, but NOBODY has the heart to suffer the consequences anymore. Indeed, nobody wants to actually give up anything or risk anything to fight a rule they don't like, when that's the only way anything will ever get changed.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 16, 2009 10:06:14 GMT -5
He makes a good point. Problem is that alot of people are for rebelling, but NOBODY has the heart to suffer the consequences anymore. Indeed, nobody wants to actually give up anything or risk anything to fight a rule they don't like, when that's the only way anything will ever get changed. If it makes you feel any better, at least a couple dozen kids when I was in high school chose a day to show up out of dress code, since the school insisted they'd "crack down" on that day. The kids all sat in detention that day and nothing came of it, but at least they tried.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2009 10:15:57 GMT -5
I'd be in deep shit, that's one of my most commonly used words.
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Post by Thrillho on Nov 16, 2009 10:25:54 GMT -5
Meep will curve your spine and stop the country from winning the war.
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Post by Abadebe on Nov 16, 2009 10:38:45 GMT -5
It also comes down to how the word meep is being used.
If it's just a friendly greeting you say to someone as you pass them in the halls, then the ban is ridiculous as they're essentially stopping people from saying hello (in this odd little way).
However, if students are yelling meep to each other across the lunchroom, meeping at each other during class when the teacher is trying to teach, or some other way that causes a disturbance, then the students should be punished for it. The problem in this case is that banning this particular nonsense word does not solve the root problem, which is students continually making loud disturbances despite being told not to.
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Post by BK From WV on Nov 16, 2009 10:50:25 GMT -5
“The real issue here is that they were asked to do something to stop doing what they were doing and they disobeyed,“ said Linda Collinsworth, a parent. I cant adequately express how much I hate this attitude. Maybe if your school had of focused on actual teaching rather than the enforcement of asinine rules you would have learnt how to better construct a sentence, Linda. Try being a parent, then say the same thing. As asasine and worthless as that rule is, it's still a rule. And if they told them they would be suspended if they said it, then they deserve it for being stupid enough to do it. The rule should be dropped, but the students don't need to be breaking them I agree completely. It does seem silly to ban the word but we don't really know what context the kids are using it either as was pointed out before me. The rule is set and the kids need to follow it. If they don't follow the rules and get suspended,that's their own fault.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Nov 16, 2009 10:52:48 GMT -5
If i was in that school i'd wear a shirt with giant lettering reading MEEP!, every day
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Post by MGH on Nov 16, 2009 10:53:53 GMT -5
OK, so they ban meep. Congrats, there's only 3,233,778,235,898,432,215,789,543 new non-sense words someone could come up with to replace it. What are you going to do, ban all of them? These aren't adults we're talking about, they're kids. You tell them they can't do something as ridiculous as this, and guess what, they're just going to want to do it more. If anything, they should have embraced this and made a joke of it, and I guarantee you this little fad would have worn out faster. Now it's an official written rule, the kids can be reminded of it every single day, and it can't just go away on its own when the kids get tired of it. This school really shot themselves in the foot on this.
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Post by angryfan on Nov 16, 2009 10:54:05 GMT -5
Try being a parent, then say the same thing. As asasine and worthless as that rule is, it's still a rule. And if they told them they would be suspended if they said it, then they deserve it for being stupid enough to do it. The rule should be dropped, but the students don't need to be breaking them I agree completely. It does seem silly to ban the word but we don't really know what context the kids are using it either as was pointed out before me. The rule is set and the kids need to follow it. If they don't follow the rules and get suspended,that's their own fault. Kids DO need rules, and they should be followed. Thing is, teaching kids "it doesn't matter what a rule is, you follow it even if it seems wrong to you" can also have negative effects. A teenager does not need the same structure and "cut and dry" rules that a three year old does, but this rule, it seems, doesn't recognize that.
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Post by KStrick on Nov 16, 2009 10:58:54 GMT -5
It also comes down to how the word meep is being used. If it's just a friendly greeting you say to someone as you pass them in the halls, then the ban is ridiculous as they're essentially stopping people from saying hello (in this odd little way). However, if students are yelling meep to each other across the lunchroom, meeping at each other during class when the teacher is trying to teach, or some other way that causes a disturbance, then the students should be punished for it. The problem in this case is that banning this particular nonsense word does not solve the root problem, which is students continually making loud disturbances despite being told not to. This! A million times this! While we don't know what context it was used in to make this teacher (supposedly) despise the word so much, since it is based solely off hearsay, but I wouldn't be surprised at all that if this "meaningless word" evolved from a passing issue to something annoying used in a classroom. This is a very slippery-slope issue, but if the rule was established, and the parents made aware, then kids have NO excuse for disobeying and being suspended. This is NOT a critical thinking issue, as previous posters have put it, but an issue of following a simple rule in high school for the sake of people who actually WANT to learn. Plus, don't forget about how annoying fads can be in high school.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Nov 16, 2009 11:08:57 GMT -5
I refuse to have kids to bring them into such a F'd up society we live in. It's seriously gotta suck to be a kid nowadays.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Nov 16, 2009 11:12:17 GMT -5
I would understand if it was F*** or something but really? meep? really? That is ridiculous.
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Post by Splinter on Nov 16, 2009 11:19:14 GMT -5
Isn't banning words contrary to the first ammendment? We don't have that here but if someone told me to stop saying a made up word like Horsemonkeys just because it made one person uncomfortable (maybe they visualise a more horrific flying monkey scene from Wizard of Oz) I'd tell them to sod of as it constitutes as freedom of speech.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2009 11:23:22 GMT -5
When even let your kids outside? Everything they could ever do/say could potentially bring harm to them. Life's not about experiencing things and being shaped into the person you become by the consequences of the things you do, it's about doing what someone somewhere feels is best for you. I for one support the banning of meep and anything else that anyone anywhere finds some kind of fault with.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Nov 16, 2009 11:23:58 GMT -5
Try being a parent, then say the same thing. As asasine and worthless as that rule is, it's still a rule. And if they told them they would be suspended if they said it, then they deserve it for being stupid enough to do it. The rule should be dropped, but the students don't need to be breaking them I have the exact opposite approach. I think people have a duty of sorts to break stupid rules and laws. I don't want to go into too much detail, because it can get pretty political, but whenever I have this debate with someone I point to Rosa Parks. If Rosa Parks said "Meep" to the white man who wanted her seat, then she would be my favorite historical figure ever! Meep will curve your spine and stop the country from winning the war. These are the seven words that cannot be said in Danvers High School: Meep, Meep,Meep, Meep, Meepsucker, Meepmeeper, and Meeps. By the way. The reason why this teacher is because he's Wile E. Coyote and the Meeping in the halls bring up some traumatic moments from his past. I know Nick DiPaolo is from Danvers. I wonder what he'd say about this?
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 16, 2009 11:46:55 GMT -5
Isn't banning words contrary to the first ammendment? We don't have that here but if someone told me to stop saying a made up word like Horsemonkeys just because it made one person uncomfortable (maybe they visualise a more horrific flying monkey scene from Wizard of Oz) I'd tell them to sod of as it constitutes as freedom of speech. In short, no it's not. Basically, High School is elective. You choose to be there, because you have the ability to drop out as early as your Freshman year. And since you choose to be there, you must follow rules, even if they would seem to violate the First Amendment. That, and I'm not 100% on this, but your Constitutional protections don't really kick in until you're 18. Up until that time, your parents are responsible for you.
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