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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 14, 2009 22:15:47 GMT -5
Bryant Reeves somehow going 6th overall, I mean, what the hell.
Although, that draft pretty much sucked anyway. The likes of Ed O'Bannon, Shawn Respert, and Cherokee Parks (!) were lottery picks.
And the Celtics taking Joe Forte over Tony Parker and Gilbert Arenas.
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Nov 14, 2009 22:34:18 GMT -5
And just think, the genius who drafted Harrington is now an "expert" analysis on ESPN pre-game and broadcasting for the NFL network. I don't even understand how he and Mike Milburry (former Islanders GM) are analyst right now (Milburry is in CBC). Milbury got let go from Hockey Night in Canada. That only leaves him doing NBC and NESN (Bruins games). But yea, he's a horrible judge of talent and a horrible coach. When they go to him during the intermission of NBC games I just boo him. I don't care if he can or can't hear me. I'd get arrested and plead guilty if I could get close enough to punch him in the face. He's easily worse then Millen. Why? Because Millen never had any talent and the Lions once Sanders left were going to suck no matter what. But the Laundry List of Mike Milbury stupidity amazes me #1 Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha. Luongo had been drafted just two years earlier, but the a Boston born and breed Goalie being rated #1 goalie was too much for Milbury to pass up. Luongo is going to be a HOF and Jokinen is a solid player. Parrish and Kvasha can't hold a torch to either. #2 Bryan Berard for Felix Potvin. Berard was easily a cornerstone piece of the Isles future and a former Calder trophy winner. Every time Potvin had started that season he HURT his trade value. So a rising star for damaged goods, and not only that but Potvin only played 33 games for the Isles across 2 seasons. #3 JP Dumont for Dimitri Nabokov. Nabokov had five seconds of looking good in the NHL. Dumont was the 3rd overall selection in the 96 draft. Nabokov played a handfull of games for the Isles before returning to Russia. Dumont is still playing today and has been an Alternate or Captain a few times. #4 Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and a 3rd Rounder For Trevor Linden. Bertuzzi and McCabe although young and with a ton of potential were eternally in the doghouse. Milbury decided to fix the lack of a vetrean captain by bringing in Linden. Linden proceeded to disappear of the face of the planet and the Isles seasons seemed to become the sign that his time had come and gone. Bertuzzi and McCabe both went on to be stars for other teams. #5 Bill Muckalt, Zdeno Chara and a 1st Rounder (Jason Spezza) For Yashin. This gets on a lot of lists for being one of the worst all time trades. You see, Zdeno Chara is not just any defensemen but a SIX FOOT NINE monster of a human being. Somehow he was in Milbury's doghouse and he never worked out. Yashin is part of the reason the Islanders are cash strapped, as they are paying his buyout till 2012. This is without considering how bad Milbury was at Drafts. Almost 90% of his picks from Round 3 on were busts. None of his first round picks ever did anything for the Islanders. One year he refused to sign his first round pick. So give me Millen anyday over Milbury. |
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Post by Insomniac on Nov 14, 2009 22:37:09 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2009 23:28:37 GMT -5
I don't even understand how he and Mike Milburry (former Islanders GM) are analyst right now (Milburry is in CBC). Milbury got let go from Hockey Night in Canada. That only leaves him doing NBC and NESN (Bruins games). But yea, he's a horrible judge of talent and a horrible coach. When they go to him during the intermission of NBC games I just boo him. I don't care if he can or can't hear me. I'd get arrested and plead guilty if I could get close enough to punch him in the face. He's easily worse then Millen. Why? Because Millen never had any talent and the Lions once Sanders left were going to suck no matter what. But the Laundry List of Mike Milbury stupidity amazes me #1 Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha. Luongo had been drafted just two years earlier, but the a Boston born and breed Goalie being rated #1 goalie was too much for Milbury to pass up. Luongo is going to be a HOF and Jokinen is a solid player. Parrish and Kvasha can't hold a torch to either. #2 Bryan Berard for Felix Potvin. Berard was easily a cornerstone piece of the Isles future and a former Calder trophy winner. Every time Potvin had started that season he HURT his trade value. So a rising star for damaged goods, and not only that but Potvin only played 33 games for the Isles across 2 seasons. #3 JP Dumont for Dimitri Nabokov. Nabokov had five seconds of looking good in the NHL. Dumont was the 3rd overall selection in the 96 draft. Nabokov played a handfull of games for the Isles before returning to Russia. Dumont is still playing today and has been an Alternate or Captain a few times. #4 Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and a 3rd Rounder For Trevor Linden. Bertuzzi and McCabe although young and with a ton of potential were eternally in the doghouse. Milbury decided to fix the lack of a vetrean captain by bringing in Linden. Linden proceeded to disappear of the face of the planet and the Isles seasons seemed to become the sign that his time had come and gone. Bertuzzi and McCabe both went on to be stars for other teams. #5 Bill Muckalt, Zdeno Chara and a 1st Rounder (Jason Spezza) For Yashin. This gets on a lot of lists for being one of the worst all time trades. You see, Zdeno Chara is not just any defensemen but a SIX FOOT NINE monster of a human being. Somehow he was in Milbury's doghouse and he never worked out. Yashin is part of the reason the Islanders are cash strapped, as they are paying his buyout till 2012. This is without considering how bad Milbury was at Drafts. Almost 90% of his picks from Round 3 on were busts. None of his first round picks ever did anything for the Islanders. One year he refused to sign his first round pick. So give me Millen anyday over Milbury. So, CBC made the right decision. And that Yashin contract is the worse signing of this decade. The fact that it wasn't him who sign Rick DiPietro for 15 years surprise me. |
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Post by Joie De Vivre on Nov 14, 2009 23:36:36 GMT -5
Darko Milicic (or however it's spelled).
Then again, if a team ever lets him play more than 20 minutes, he might be capable of something.
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Post by DamnYankee on Nov 15, 2009 0:03:49 GMT -5
Brandon Jennings
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 0:44:15 GMT -5
OK, other than drafting Majerle, Nash, Shawn Marion and even Stoudemire, the Suns have done some rather stupid draft-day moves...
2000 - Iakovos Tsakalidis taken at #25 (a future all-star named Michael Redd was taken mid-2nd round!)
2003 - Žarko Čabarkapa taken at #17 (a future all-star named David West was taken just a pick later)
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Post by H-Fist on Nov 15, 2009 1:00:18 GMT -5
I don't think anyone thought that Devin Hester would be as good as he has turned out to be. One of the best kick returners the league has ever seen over his first few seasons, and this year is on pace to be the Bears' first 1,000 receiver since Marty Booker in 2002 (with Jim Miller and Chris *oops there goes my brain again* Chandler under center).
Cortland Finnegan and Antoine Bethea are Pro Bowlers who were both taken after #200 overall. Ahmad Bradshaw was #250 and Pierre Thomas wasn't drafted in 2007. #9 pick in 2007 Ted Ginn, Jr. has been a good return man, but he has no hands as a wideout. Josh Cribbs, Nate Washington, Lance Moore, and Chris Kluwe were all undrafted in 2005.
Robert Gallery is the only non-Pro Bowler of the top 8 in the 2004 draft (Manning, Fitzgerald, Rivers, Taylor, Winslow, Williams, Hall). Same year Jared Allen and Nathan Vasher came out of the 3rd round; Northern Illinois' Michael Turner in the 4th; Wes Welker and Willie Parker undrafted.
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The NBA is pretty easy.
1984: Sam Bowie. Everyone knew that Bowie had talent, but big men with foot problems don't get better. At the time, Jordan and Olajuwon were equal bets. Jordan was special, but big men won titles, and The Dream was something special, too. Hakeem was probably the "right" pick, even if Jordan turned out to be the greatest.
1995: Joe Smith was a decent player at #1; perfect name for generic big man role player. No one knew how good KG was going to be, and Michael Finley was taken down at 21.
1996: Kobe, Peja, Nash and Jermaine O'Neal were all mid-1st rounders, while Ilgauskas and Derek Fisher were taken in the 20s.
1997: Tony Battie, Antonio Daniels, Ron Mercer, Tim Thomas and Adonal Foyle went consecutively in the top 10, and the rest of the lottery also had Abdul-Wahad and Croshere. Crazy Stephen Jackson was #42 overall.
1998: Cuttino Mobley, Ruben Patterson, Rashard Lewis, and Rafer Alston were second rounders. Olowokandi sucked, but everybody already knew that. Al Harrington and Ricky Davis were late first rounders.
1999: Jon Bender was a huge hit-or-miss prospect. Miss! Kirilenko and Ginobili were good finds.
2000: Michael Redd from the second round is by far the best player in this craptacular draft.
2001: Mehmet Okur and Gilbert Arenas were second rounders
2002: Jay Williams had potential, but couldn't stay off the damn motorcycles. Scola and Boozer were in the second round, but the top 10 was Yao, Jay Will, Dunleavy, Gooden, Tskitishvili, Dejuan Wagner (BUST), Nene, Wilcox, Amare, Caron Butler.
2003: David West, Barbosa, Josh Howard, Korver, Mo Williams, Steve Blake, Jason Kapono were all good finds.
2004: Shaun Livingston, Bassy Telfair, Josh Childress vs. Kevin Martin at #26
2005: David Lee, Monta Ellis and Ryan Gomes were solid late finds.
2007: A LOT more was expected out of Acie Law, Julian Wright and Brandan Wright. Wilson Chandler was a joke on draft night, but he's turned out to be pretty alright.
2008: Can't tell for sure yet, but Mario Chalmers, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and Chris Douglas-Roberts sure look like they should have been taken before the second round.
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Post by saintturgeon on Nov 15, 2009 9:31:51 GMT -5
I don't even understand how he and Mike Milburry (former Islanders GM) are analyst right now (Milburry is in CBC). Milbury got let go from Hockey Night in Canada. That only leaves him doing NBC and NESN (Bruins games). But yea, he's a horrible judge of talent and a horrible coach. When they go to him during the intermission of NBC games I just boo him. I don't care if he can or can't hear me. I'd get arrested and plead guilty if I could get close enough to punch him in the face. He's easily worse then Millen. Why? Because Millen never had any talent and the Lions once Sanders left were going to suck no matter what. But the Laundry List of Mike Milbury stupidity amazes me #1 Olli Jokinen and Roberto Luongo for Mark Parrish and Oleg Kvasha. Luongo had been drafted just two years earlier, but the a Boston born and breed Goalie being rated #1 goalie was too much for Milbury to pass up. Luongo is going to be a HOF and Jokinen is a solid player. Parrish and Kvasha can't hold a torch to either. #2 Bryan Berard for Felix Potvin. Berard was easily a cornerstone piece of the Isles future and a former Calder trophy winner. Every time Potvin had started that season he HURT his trade value. So a rising star for damaged goods, and not only that but Potvin only played 33 games for the Isles across 2 seasons. #3 JP Dumont for Dimitri Nabokov. Nabokov had five seconds of looking good in the NHL. Dumont was the 3rd overall selection in the 96 draft. Nabokov played a handfull of games for the Isles before returning to Russia. Dumont is still playing today and has been an Alternate or Captain a few times. #4 Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan McCabe and a 3rd Rounder For Trevor Linden. Bertuzzi and McCabe although young and with a ton of potential were eternally in the doghouse. Milbury decided to fix the lack of a vetrean captain by bringing in Linden. Linden proceeded to disappear of the face of the planet and the Isles seasons seemed to become the sign that his time had come and gone. Bertuzzi and McCabe both went on to be stars for other teams. #5 Bill Muckalt, Zdeno Chara and a 1st Rounder (Jason Spezza) For Yashin. This gets on a lot of lists for being one of the worst all time trades. You see, Zdeno Chara is not just any defensemen but a SIX FOOT NINE monster of a human being. Somehow he was in Milbury's doghouse and he never worked out. Yashin is part of the reason the Islanders are cash strapped, as they are paying his buyout till 2012. This is without considering how bad Milbury was at Drafts. Almost 90% of his picks from Round 3 on were busts. None of his first round picks ever did anything for the Islanders. One year he refused to sign his first round pick. So give me Millen anyday over Milbury. For the sake of discussion, I will defend some of Milbury's moves, (even though I think giving this man control of an NHL franchise should be a crime, preferably murder) Olli Jokinen is pretty good goal scoring center now, but back in 2000 he scored 11 goals over 82 games, and 35 over 4 seasons, he really didn't start to produce until 2003, while Kvasha had 36 in his first 3 years as an Islander, and Marc Parrish, who at the time of the trade was a 2 time 20 goal scorer and scored 70 goals in his first 3 years with the Islanders. And as seen in Florida, Luongo can't win games by himself, so even if Luongo wasn't traded whose to say the Islanders would be a Dynasty. So in the long run, the deal looks bad, but short term the Islanders benefited from this deal. If it wasn't for that enormous contract Alexei Yashin wouldn't be that bad, he was coming off of 2 incredible seasons (out of 3 years) 94, and 88 points respectfully, and because of Yashin and Peca, the Islanders made the playoffs for the first time in 6 years. So in the long run Mike Milbury can destroy a team's future, but if your looking for a win right now team, which Charles Wang was looking for. He made some pretty good moves, in the short term, But one can't help but think how good the Islanders could've been had they stayed patient, and if those players would've stayed. |
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Post by saintturgeon on Nov 15, 2009 11:27:49 GMT -5
The New Jersey Devils all time leading scorer, the 51st pick in the 1994 NHL entry draft, "The Underrated Superstar" PATRIK ELIAS!!!!
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Post by S-Chrome on Nov 15, 2009 12:34:52 GMT -5
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Post by ani on Nov 15, 2009 13:04:59 GMT -5
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Post by Grendel on Nov 15, 2009 13:44:34 GMT -5
Tony Mandarich was taken #2 by the Packers in 1989 ahead of Emmit Smith, Derrek Thomas and Dion Sanders. He turned out to be a total bust in every possible way after he was exposed to NFL quality defensive pass rushers. I remember being so pumped about this pick, as everyone in the NFL was poised to take him. I remember watching this draft at my bud's place and thinking that this guy would be something ... |
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Post by The Line on Nov 15, 2009 13:52:53 GMT -5
Dan Dickau. So many people wanted him to be the next John Stockton.
Adam Morrison. The Same. So many people wanted him to be great.
Ronnie Turiaf looked like he was going to be a bust do to his heart surgery, then looked to make a comeback. Then busted again. Now I don't even think he plays in the NBA anymore.
These two aren't really draft busts, but rather guys that could have been drafted, but did something to screw it up.
-Jeremy Pargo. In his junior year, by far the greatest player in the WCC, and considered one of the more well-rounded guards if he would have went pro then, and would have been a great 2nd round steal for a team. But he went against what basically everyone told him, and went back to Gonzaga for one more year, and he didn't do all that well, and now might never get to play in the NBA.
-Josh Heyvelt. A not-so-imposing center who played more like a forward(and would have played in the NBA as one), but then he got in some legal trouble(drugs), and broke his foot, and went from being a pretty sure bet as at least a 2nd rounder as a sophomore to playing in the Turkish league 3 years later. And really, no one to blame but himself.
Austin Daye, sadly, had the best shot at becoming the first Gonzaga player since Stockton to actually do something decent after college(and all the guys I listed had downright GREAT college careers), but based on the fact that he went to a team that probably won't need to start him anytime soon, I don't see it happening.
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Post by @TenaciousBe on Nov 17, 2009 4:54:58 GMT -5
Can we include Chuck Knoblauch here? Not so much a bust from the draft, but the guy goes from Rookie of the Year and a World Series champ in Minnesota, to "Fundamentally Sound," to demanding a trade (and winding up on the Yankees), to forgetting how to THROW, to forgetting how to hit, to winding up playing in obscurity in Kansas City for a handful of games before quietly retiring. Ends up living back in Houston, being named in the Mitchell Report for having used "performance enhancers" and winding up in court (and probably going to jail) for beating his soon-to-be ex-wife.
Seems like the only good thing to happen for the guy in the last 10 years is being named to the all-Metrodome team at the end of this past season (and with the domestic abuse thing, he wasn't able to be there to enjoy the one thing anyone still gives a shit about him for).
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 17, 2009 6:08:25 GMT -5
So? Tim Couch played in Cleveland.
Then again, he failed a backup gig for never-benched Brett Favre. That's worse than playing for the Browns.
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Post by RI Richmark on Nov 19, 2009 11:28:53 GMT -5
In 1956 the Rochester Royals had the #1 pick in the NBA draft. The Boston Celtics had the #2 pick and wanted the center from USF. To keep the Royals from drafting him Celtics owner Walter Brown arranged for Rochester owner Lester Harrison to get the Ice Capades for two weeks a year.
The Royals drafted Sihugo Green who played for 10 unremarkable seasons. The Celtics then drafted their man:
Bill Russell.
Do the Ice Capades count as a bust?
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Post by leapinglambert on Nov 21, 2009 9:38:36 GMT -5
I like Pavel Bure 113th overall by the Vancouver Canucks. (The Canucks thought that they had found a way that he had played enough to be able to be drafted...but still a good catch...)
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Post by leapinglambert on Nov 21, 2009 9:41:54 GMT -5
Bryant Reeves somehow going 6th overall, I mean, what the hell. Bryant "Big Country" Reeves! Who was rapidly nicknamed "Sleep Country" after the local bedding and mattress store. Great guy in real life though, if not as a basketball player....Talked to him once... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2009 13:26:13 GMT -5
1992: Phoenix Suns draft Oliver Miller at 22nd overall.
Miller, nicknamed "The Big O" (for obvious reasons) had an overall unremarkable NBA career. Of all the teams he played for, the Suns over two separate stints (1992-94 and 1999-2000) were the only one to actually let him play. He even led the Suns in blocked shots (not bad for a 330-lb. guy at only 6'8"!) once during each stint with the team.
Who knows, if he'd just kept the weight down...
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