Grendel
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
But ... why is all the rum gone?
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Post by Grendel on Nov 18, 2009 21:57:07 GMT -5
After having watched Star Trek earlier today (again), I'm torn on the whole Khan concept. On one hand, it's a great villain. On the other hand, what is his motivation going to be? They've already done revenge with the first film, they have to come up with something else for the second.
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Nov 18, 2009 21:58:26 GMT -5
No, no Klingons. Name one thing that hasn't been explored in a through manner with Klingons? Look, if you are going to reboot Star Trek, please don't do what was already done to death. That's like saying, they should do an episode with the Borg, or explore Bajorian Religious Beliefs. But, those things are borings; and the Klingons are not. So, BRING ON THE KLINGONS!!!!
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Nov 18, 2009 22:15:31 GMT -5
I'm not a Star Trek fan. Honestly, most of it bores me.
But, I liked the new movie. So... whatever they intend to do for this next one, be it Kahn or otherwise... I think I'll give it a shot.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 18, 2009 23:28:13 GMT -5
After having watched Star Trek earlier today (again), I'm torn on the whole Khan concept. On one hand, it's a great villain. On the other hand, what is his motivation going to be? They've already done revenge with the first film, they have to come up with something else for the second. You ever saw the Space Seed episode? I mean the revenge stuff isn't necessarily the only plotting necessary to make it work.
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Post by hmbnimbus on Nov 18, 2009 23:43:25 GMT -5
Yeah, as a massive fan, I'd take a Khan film.
I mean, the plot should write itself:
Eugenics wars still took place (seeing as the timeline only changed long after these events).... Botany Bay sent into space... either it is discovered by Enterprise on patrol on routine mission OR another ship discovers it and sucumbs to Khan and his fellow travellers once they realise where and when they are... chaos ensues... perhaps even with the loss of Vulcan, the Federation is sufficiently weakened and paranoid that we'll get more of a shoot first / ask questions later approach in their policy to outsiders and terrorists?
Hopefully, we'll get some ship to ship combat (more than the first film), tying in the original second movie's plot with elements of "Space Seed"... plus, will a more vengeful Kirk be so kind to set the Eugenics on Ceti Alpha 5?
Anyhow, just some random thoughts on the potential this film could have. Even if the storyline is different to the one I envisage, I'll still be first in line to watch any Star Trek sequel!
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 18, 2009 23:49:59 GMT -5
IG: Mask - Yeah pretty much.
Just less SW homaging/rip-off is all I ask for the sequel.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Nov 18, 2009 23:53:36 GMT -5
I don't see anything wrong with bringing Kahn in as a villain as long as it's done well.
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Post by hmbnimbus on Nov 18, 2009 23:54:13 GMT -5
IG: Mask - Yeah pretty much. Just less SW homaging/rip-off is all I ask for the sequel. I just pray that Khan brutally murders that stupid little creature that Scotty is dragging around with him. And also, no more waterpipe rides in engineering. Or, as you say, less SW, more SRS...
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 19, 2009 0:03:03 GMT -5
IG: Mask - Yeah pretty much. Just less SW homaging/rip-off is all I ask for the sequel. I just pray that Khan brutally murders that stupid little creature that Scotty is dragging around with him. And also, no more waterpipe rides in engineering. Or, as you say, less SW, more SRS... As much as I enjoyed the movie, that SW stuff (lack of imagination) really did bug me. I always thought of SW and ST as sci-fi, but two completely different flavors. Tomato and Brocoli Cheese soup. You don't want that green stuff in your tomato can. I mean from opening on a "big" ship to reveal an even BIGGER ship to Alderan or Vulcan (can't remember the correct name) blowing up by the baddie to the hero alone trapped on a frozen planet and stuck in a cave in conflict with a indigenous monster... Then again I guess this is the current geek generation. To them, SW is everything before and after in pop culture. No sense of sci-fi context before 1977. The people back in the day, they recognized what SW was greatly emulating: 30s/40s adventure serials, comic books, Flash Gordon, Errol Flynn, etc. They know the ingredients, and loved this nice recipe. Or at least alot of them did. Of course what I just said could be applied to the first Trek movie, how for a low budget cardboard playdough TV show adapted into a super big budget/super FX blockbuster. All because of SW, and its true. Though outside of needing Doug Trumbull to try to out-SW SW with the special effects...what other direct SW influences were there in TMP? Sorry I rambled.
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Post by hmbnimbus on Nov 19, 2009 0:23:03 GMT -5
I just pray that Khan brutally murders that stupid little creature that Scotty is dragging around with him. And also, no more waterpipe rides in engineering. Or, as you say, less SW, more SRS... As much as I enjoyed the movie, that SW stuff (lack of imagination) really did bug me. I always thought of SW and ST as sci-fi, but two completely different flavors. Tomato and Brocoli Cheese soup. You don't want that green stuff in your tomato can. I mean from opening on a "big" ship to reveal an even BIGGER ship to Alderan or Vulcan (can't remember the correct name) blowing up by the baddie to the hero alone trapped on a frozen planet and stuck in a cave in conflict with a indigenous monster... Then again I guess this is the current geek generation. To them, SW is everything before and after in pop culture. No sense of sci-fi context before 1977. The people back in the day, they recognized what SW was greatly emulating: 30s/40s adventure serials, comic books, Flash Gordon, Errol Flynn, etc. They know the ingredients, and loved this nice recipe. Or at least alot of them did. Of course what I just said could be applied to the first Trek movie, how for a low budget cardboard playdough TV show adapted into a super big budget/super FX blockbuster. All because of SW, and its true. Though outside of needing Doug Trumbull to try to out-SW SW with the special effects...what other direct SW influences were there in TMP? Sorry I rambled. Yeah, I've pretty much come to the same conclusion. Star Wars has it's own strengths - and I do enjoy it, in a very different way to Star Trek. I like both occupying different niches in sci-fi but Star Trek had to change if it was survive as a mainstream success. As for TMP, thank god that the whole V'Ger incident is still far ahead in the alternate timeline... I always thought it was the worst of the franchise and that TWOK brought a more serious tone to future trek. I sorta hope any sequel does the same, without losing the marketability of the reboot.
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Post by bibboid on Nov 19, 2009 0:24:28 GMT -5
Since Future-Spock knows what things are floating around in space (Khan, the Doomsday Machine, etc,) he can tell the present-Enterprise crew what to look for and how to deal with it.
It would be easy for them to go out and meet Khan again/for the first time. But maybe this time they can actually cast a middle easterner to play the Persian prince.
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Post by darbus alan on Nov 19, 2009 0:28:10 GMT -5
It's a seperate timeline. That still happened in that time line and the films are based on the new timeline and so they can do things differently with this one. Asides from the destruction of Alderaan, err I mean Vulcan, the only other major significant change really in continuity was supposedly that crew getting together a few years earlier than they did on TOS. Right? I wonder if in these new Trek pictures, they'll bother with the theme planets. Nazi Planet, Gangster Planet, Roman planet... Technology also advanced a bit faster than in the main timeline due to the encounter with the Narada by the USS Kelvin (which is the in-fiction reason why the NCC-1701 looks more like the refitted Enterprise/1701-A than the original ship in TOS), but that's the only other major change I can think of. Well, and Jim's dad wasn't KIA, either. And Spock's mom lived long after the time of TOS, but that has to do with Vulcan's destruction. And I'd welcome a Khan plot. Space Seed with the AU twist could make for a damn good movie.
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Post by toddpolt on Nov 19, 2009 0:35:13 GMT -5
Since Future-Spock knows what things are floating around in space (Khan, the Doomsday Machine, etc,) he can tell the present-Enterprise crew what to look for and how to deal with it. It would be easy for them to go out and meet Khan again/for the first time. But he won't because he's such a prick. Imagine this scene: *Ring* Old Spock: Hello? New Spock: Hey future me, listen we found this dude Kahn and- Old Spock: Sorry can't help ya. Time Space continum, can't interfere with the timelines. New Spock: But you all violated that stupid rule whenever it was convenient! Old Spock: Sorry, our reception is breaking up. Gotta go. *Click* But maybe this time they can actually cast a middle easterner to play the Persian prince. Considering how "progressive" Hollywood is...they won't. But I'm for it. Then again, Ricardo Montalban was Mexican, from Spanish parents, gave a tint of that Moorish influence. I know its not much, but its something.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Nov 19, 2009 1:10:34 GMT -5
And I'd welcome a Khan plot. Space Seed with the AU twist could make for a damn good movie. I'd be all for it.
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