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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 4, 2009 21:20:03 GMT -5
With how far technology has gotten in the last ten years you would think this genre would be coming out with movies left and right. Only relevant ones I have seen are the Matrix movies and a few from the early 90s.
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Post by Alucard on Dec 4, 2009 21:25:36 GMT -5
You know, I've been wondering this too.
I personally don't count The Matrix. Yeah, I know it should count, and perhaps the first one does. I even liked the films, but they just don't quite have the right "feel". This is just my opinion though, they're still good movies in their own right.
Probably the best cyberpunk movie (that is live action) that there has ever been is still Blade Runner.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Dec 4, 2009 21:27:37 GMT -5
You know, I've been wondering this too. I personally don't count The Matrix. Yeah, I know it should count, and perhaps the first one does. I even liked the films, but they just don't quite have the right "feel". This is just my opinion though, they're still good movies in their own right. Probably the best cyberpunk movie (that is live action) that there has ever been is still Blade Runner. Yeah I see what you mean about The Matrix movies. The first one was very cyberpunk but the second two just kind of felt off. I guess they were just too hollywood while the first one was just different.
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Post by Alucard on Dec 4, 2009 21:35:16 GMT -5
You know, I've been wondering this too. I personally don't count The Matrix. Yeah, I know it should count, and perhaps the first one does. I even liked the films, but they just don't quite have the right "feel". This is just my opinion though, they're still good movies in their own right. Probably the best cyberpunk movie (that is live action) that there has ever been is still Blade Runner. Yeah I see what you mean about The Matrix movies. The first one was very cyberpunk but the second two just kind of felt off. I guess they were just too hollywood while the first one was just different. First one definitely had all the right themes going for it to make it a cyberpunk flick. The second did but to a lesser extent And the third just took a crazy Terminator route. There's quite a few anime properties that are great cyberpunk material, the most obvious ones being Ghost in the Shell and the later Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex series. They're both fantastic and very mature in their tone. Depending upon who you ask, Cowboy Bebop may count as well. It has a lot of elements of cyberpunk presented within it.
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Post by Young Game on Dec 4, 2009 21:39:41 GMT -5
My guess? Technology caught up to the movies.
I could be wrong, but, cyberpunk movies should have a futuristic feel to them, correct? Take into consideration that most cyberpunk movies came out in the 80s and 90s, we are in the future.
Where do we go from here?
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Post by Alucard on Dec 4, 2009 21:44:21 GMT -5
My guess? Technology caught up to the movies. I could be wrong, but, cyberpunk movies should have a futuristic feel to them, correct? Well, we are in the future as defined by my favorite cyberpunk movies. Where do we go from here? I don't know, there's still a lot of the stuff that doesn't quite exist yet. We're not all running around with crazy cybernetic implants, hoverbikes and cars, and fighting against corrupt malevolent governments. True, a lot of this stuff is slowly but surely becoming a reality, but we're still a pretty bland, vanilla world, at the moment. Like there's robots. But they're not quite Pris...
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 4, 2009 21:45:02 GMT -5
You know, I've been wondering this too. I personally don't count The Matrix. Yeah, I know it should count, and perhaps the first one does. I even liked the films, but they just don't quite have the right "feel". This is just my opinion though, they're still good movies in their own right. Probably the best cyberpunk movie (that is live action) that there has ever been is still Blade Runner. Yeah, Blade Runner is pretty damn hard to top.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 4, 2009 21:48:25 GMT -5
My guess? Technology caught up to the movies. I could be wrong, but, cyberpunk movies should have a futuristic feel to them, correct? Take into consideration that most cyberpunk movies came out in the 80s and 90s, we are in the future. Where do we go from here? You don't count SURROGATES or GAMER as cyberpunk movies? I know they weren't GOOD, but based on your description there....they ought to count.
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Post by Young Game on Dec 4, 2009 22:06:34 GMT -5
I don't know, there's still a lot of the stuff that doesn't quite exist yet. We're not all running around with crazy cybernetic implants, hoverbikes and cars, and fighting against corrupt malevolent governments. True, a lot of this stuff is slowly but surely becoming a reality, but we're still a pretty bland, vanilla world, at the moment. Like there's robots. But they're not quite Pris... You bring up a lot of good points. Hmmm....how to phrase this? Cyberpunk, at this point, just seems like a grim reminder of things to come. I mean, sure, it has it good points (neat weapons...lovebots...hover transportation...etc), but it just seems like technology is really starting to work against us. The robots are slowly taking over. Of course, I'm just one guy on the internet. What do I really know? You don't count SURROGATES or GAMER as cyberpunk movies? I know they weren't GOOD, but based on your description there....they ought to count. They should count. You're right. I still haven't seen "SURROGATES", but I did see "GAMER", and based on my criteria, yeah it should count.
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 4, 2009 22:28:16 GMT -5
You know, I've been wondering this too. I personally don't count The Matrix. Yeah, I know it should count, and perhaps the first one does. I even liked the films, but they just don't quite have the right "feel". This is just my opinion though, they're still good movies in their own right. Well Matrix is cyberpunk. Hackers, anti-authority, and hell it in many elements basically ripped off (I mean artistically influenced) by the seminal works of Gibson and Stephenson. Nevermind the Japanese magna/cinema influence, which was a big thing in the 80s/cyberpunk. Remember when everyone thought Japan was gonna take over America? Well they were right. Just not what they thought it would go. Probably the best cyberpunk movie (that is live action) that there has ever been is still Blade Runner. I would also suggest Kathryn Bigelow's pretty good Strange Days. Aside from Blade Runner and Matrix, Strange Days is the only other "cyberpunk" movie that didn't come off as absolutely silly. Or suck.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 4, 2009 22:31:36 GMT -5
Not trying to say it was good, again, but EAGLE EYE could also be called "cyberpunk" due to it's tech vs. man plotline.
As could KAIRO (PULSE).
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 4, 2009 22:33:05 GMT -5
Not trying to say it was good, again, but EAGLE EYE could also be called "cyberpunk" due to it's tech vs. man plotline. As could KAIRO (PULSE). How was Eagle Eye? I never bothered to see it because of the troubling signs: (1) Shia LeBeouf (2) A friend who did see it slammed it as "Brown Eye." How original. Yet it convinced me to stay home.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 4, 2009 22:52:20 GMT -5
Not trying to say it was good, again, but EAGLE EYE could also be called "cyberpunk" due to it's tech vs. man plotline. As could KAIRO (PULSE). How was Eagle Eye? I never bothered to see it because of the troubling signs: (1) Shia LeBeouf (2) A friend who did see it slammed it as "Brown Eye." How original. Yet it convinced me to stay home. EAGLE EYE wasn't bad...if you could turn your brain off and believe the film's core conceit, which was a whopper to swallow in and of itself. Problem with that being, it was a film that was SOOO high concept that turning your brain off really wasn't an option if you wanted to follow the plot at all. See where I'm going with that? So you either sit there and accept what the film is throwing at you without protest one, or you sit there and roll your eyes at the sheer leaps of faith the plot requires you to take.
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 4, 2009 22:55:18 GMT -5
You mean like every other (bad) Michael Bay movie?
Sorry Shia, no thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2009 23:13:32 GMT -5
Neuromancer had a script for a while but nothing came out of it.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 4, 2009 23:14:27 GMT -5
Also can't forget THE CELL with Jennifer Lopez. Pretty neat little concept there.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Dec 4, 2009 23:43:31 GMT -5
1. Because Steampunk is cooler. I mean, guys in top hats with Death Rays are just so cool. 2. Because we are not afraid of computers anymore. I joke that when Skynet activates and trys to take over the world, it will be stopped by a Windows Admin Request Screen. Computers are stupid, robots are a joke, and the idea that the body and soul will be replaced by AI in a Virtual World just really isn't a threat. And the idea that an all powerful government is going to take over the world? Yeah, like the coddled lawyers we elect to high office would damage their soft hands with real work. That's a joke too. Also, increasing technology has improved the quality of life. 3. Because Cyberpunk was a creation of the 1980s. Our primary concern with science is with biology, not mechanics. Talking monkeys, or clones, or bio viruses, or perfect children are what concerns us now. 4. Nostalgia. Science has lost it's ability to inspire. The Space age was 40 years ago, The Information Age is mostly a waste of time. This decade belongs to Fantasy and Horror.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2009 0:25:51 GMT -5
1. Because Steampunk is cooler. I mean, guys in top hats with Death Rays are just so cool. 2. Because we are not afraid of computers anymore. I joke that when Skynet activates and trys to take over the world, it will be stopped by a Windows Admin Request Screen. Computers are stupid, robots are a joke, and the idea that the body and soul will be replaced by AI in a Virtual World just really isn't a threat. And the idea that an all powerful government is going to take over the world? Yeah, like the coddled lawyers we elect to high office would damage their soft hands with real work. That's a joke too. Also, increasing technology has improved the quality of life. 3. Because Cyberpunk was a creation of the 1980s. Our primary concern with science is with biology, not mechanics. Talking monkeys, or clones, or bio viruses, or perfect children are what concerns us now. 4. Nostalgia. Science has lost it's ability to inspire. The Space age was 40 years ago, The Information Age is mostly a waste of time. This decade belongs to Fantasy and Horror. Pretty much this. We are past the exciting time of the dot.com bubble burst and fear of the internet and Y2K. However I wish Cyberpunk comes back huge in live action. Not anime or manga. Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen I Robot but to the ones who have, is it cyber punk? If so then thats the last successful cyberpunk movie in recent memory me thinks.
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Post by Alucard on Dec 5, 2009 0:34:34 GMT -5
Strange Days hrm?
I'll look into it.
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Post by Young Game on Dec 5, 2009 1:14:20 GMT -5
Strange Days hrm? I'll look into it. Juliette Lewis. Nude. That being said, it really is a great movie. It also makes you think, the L.A. riots of 1992 did inspire A LOT of great art.
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