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Post by The Line on Nov 25, 2009 13:13:45 GMT -5
Worst -Seattle Mariners trades OF Adam Jones(not Pacman), and Pitchers George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Kam Mickolio, and Tony Butler to Baltimore for Starter Erik Bedard. Now, at the time, Bedard was considered one of the elite in the AL(seems like such a long time ago, doesn't it?). But even a fool could tell you that this trade sucked on Seattle's end. Jones was being talked about so much in Seattle as someone who could be the cornerstone of the entire franchise in a few years, and you know Seattle would love to have young arms like Tillman and Butler now, since their back half of the rotation already is a rogue's gallery of interchangeable prospect pitchers. Adam Jones and George Sherrill went on to become All-Stars a year later, while Bedard has struggled to put up a solid year in Seattle.
-Seattle letting the Sonics go to OKC in exchange for an expansion franchise in 2013. I don't care how much the Sonics stank, they were a staple in NW sports, even during their bad years. It doesn't feel right without an NBA team after having one for so many years. And I look to the NFL, at how many times LA has been 'promised' a franchise, and I am doubtful if Seattle will truly get another team to call the Sonics.
Best -Seattle Mariners trade Ronny Cedeño and Minor League players Jeff Clement, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin, and Nathan Adcock to Pittsburgh for Jack Wilson and Ian Snell. Now, after labeling the Bedard trade as bad, this one may look suspect, but I assure you, its good. Before I talk about this trade, I must talk about a trade that happened a little before this, but made this one possible. It was when the Mariners traded Yuniesky Betancourt to the Royals for 2 minor league pitchers. What they got in return really doesn't matter, though. In 2006, Yuni was a great fielder and decent hitter, but fast forward 3 years later, and here's a guy with sub-par fielding and one of the most useless bats in the bigs, and he was making decent cash(at least enough to were it was a kinda dumb to bench him). So to get rid of him was a blessing. Cedeno did an OK job of being a stop-gap(he was actually an improvement over Yuni at that point). So with Seattle needing a true starting short stop, we went with who is, statistically, the best fielding SS of the past decade, Jack Wilson. He doesn't have the greatest bat, but his glove makes up for it. Ian Snell is a consolation prize, as he was highly touted in the minors, but has yet to turn the page and find prolonged success in the bigs. If he has a breakout year(which, after some prolonged work with our coaches, I think he can have), Seattle could have a downright great year.
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Nov 25, 2009 13:16:08 GMT -5
Cliff Lee for the Phillies' prospect scrap heap.
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Post by The Line on Nov 25, 2009 13:17:13 GMT -5
What about the Rangers dealing A-Rod? In the end, it essentially became 'A-Rod for Brad Wilkerson'. eh, they just needed to get rid of him as quickly as possible. He was financially destroying the team(not his fault, but still, his contract was way over the top), and they weren't lighting the AL West on Fire. At that point in time, the Yankees were really one of the the only teams willing to take on most of his salary(and that's the big thing about that trade. Yeah, they probably could have gotten an entire OF and half on an infield for A-Rod, but then they'd have to eat A-Rod's salary, which they couldn't do, which is why they had to trade him in the first place).
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Post by ani on Nov 25, 2009 13:22:08 GMT -5
Cliff Lee for the Phillies' prospect scrap heap. It's early but I think you'll be proven right. It's a pretty badly kept secret that the Phillies system is a bit hyped up then it should be. Speaking of trades that are too early to judge but may end up well, I think the Mets trading Ryan Church for Jeff Francoeur is going to end up being highway robbery.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2009 12:04:55 GMT -5
The "how to" guide to building a pitching staff:
12/6/06: Acquired RHP Gavin Floyd and a player to be named from Philadelphia in exchange for RHP Freddy Garcia. 12/7/06: Acquired LHP Gio Gonzalez from the Phillies as the player to be named in the Gavin Floyd-Freddy Garcia deal.
Basically put, the Sox got Gavin Floyd for nothing, as Freddy barely pitched during his time in Philly. (Freddy's now back on the South Side in the starting rotation.) Gio would be traded to Oakland in 2008 as part of the deal to get Nick Swisher. The best thing about that was Oakland getting OF Ryan Sweeney.
12/23/06: The White Sox acquired LHP John Danks, RHP Nick Masset and RHP Jacob Rasner from the Rangers in exchange for RHP Brandon McCarthy and OF David Paisano.
Basically known as the "McCarthy for Danks trade".
GM Kenny Williams had a huge hard-on for Brandon. He was already penciled in as the 5th starter for the 2007 season. Rumors abound had the Yankees offering SS Alex Rodriguez for a bunch of players and Kenny said no because McCarthy was one of the players to be sent to the Yankees. And, in true Kenny Williams fashion, he trades McCarthy two weeks later. Sox fans are left screaming "WTF?" We got someone better. McCarthy has been injury-prone.
Masset was used (with 2B Danny Richar) to get Ken Griffey Jr. in July 2008.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 2, 2009 13:00:55 GMT -5
Pittsburgh Pirates trade for Matt Morris. I don't even remember who we went for him, but either way it was too much. Morris was one of the worst starters in the Major Leagues when he was with the Pirates. Two players. Minor Leaguer Stephen MacFarland (that I don't believe has ever made it out of the minors) and Rajai Davis, who is a great sleeper pick if you need SBs in Fantasy Baseball. I once did a 4-pg write-up on that debacle of a trade. Dave Littlefield said at the time of the trade: “[Morris has] been very productive and played for winners, and I think he will be effective in a rotation with a lot of young guys…a veteran, experienced guy who will help us out a great deal. ” Pirates President Frank Coonelly would later say that the trade: "did not turn out to be a sound baseball judgment.” Morris received $21 Million from the Pirates and wasn't even on the team for a full year. But if you're talking bad Pirates Trades, you have to talk about: So...horrible...so...bad. Bad....Bad. Giving up Jason Bay for Craig Hansen, Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, and Brandon Moss hasn't panned out very well either. LaRoche looks like he'll be dished before the end of the year with Pedro Alvarez being brought up. Moss is a pure bench player. Hansen and Morris...yeah. Hansen did some relief work but wasn't that impressive before being shipped down to the minors again. Morris... got suspended for unprofessionalism.~~~~ As for Good Pirates Trades, I'd say the Xavier Nady/Damaso Marte Trade that resulted in Karsten's near Perfect Game (And then he was released...), "Promising" Daniel McCutchen, "Filler" Jose Tabata, and "Boss" Ross Ohlendorf coming to the Pirates.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Dec 2, 2009 13:29:21 GMT -5
Cliff Lee for the Phillies' prospect scrap heap. The best part of that one is they gave up no one the Blue Jays wanted for Halladay. So the Indians didn't even get close to value for a reigning Cy Young. The most recent one that I can remember being bad was the Roy Williams to the Cowboys trade. Not only did Dallas give up a ton for almost nothing in return, it was a horribly kept secret that Roy wanted to play for Dallas anyway and likely would have signed there no matter what in the offseason.
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Post by tennesseetitan on Dec 2, 2009 16:02:17 GMT -5
I seen somebody already mentioned it but Mark Mulder for Dan Haren was the shittiest trade I've ever seen. Initially, I questioned it but Mulder was a bad ass in Oakland but immediately got hurt and hasn't done shit. Oh well, thank you for being you, Dave Duncan.
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Post by ani on Dec 2, 2009 18:54:37 GMT -5
Pittsburgh Pirates trade for Matt Morris. I don't even remember who we went for him, but either way it was too much. Morris was one of the worst starters in the Major Leagues when he was with the Pirates. Two players. Minor Leaguer Stephen MacFarland (that I don't believe has ever made it out of the minors) and Rajai Davis, who is a great sleeper pick if you need SBs in Fantasy Baseball. I once did a 4-pg write-up on that debacle of a trade. Dave Littlefield said at the time of the trade: “[Morris has] been very productive and played for winners, and I think he will be effective in a rotation with a lot of young guys…a veteran, experienced guy who will help us out a great deal. ” Pirates President Frank Coonelly would later say that the trade: "did not turn out to be a sound baseball judgment.” Morris received $21 Million from the Pirates and wasn't even on the team for a full year. But if you're talking bad Pirates Trades, you have to talk about: So...horrible...so...bad. Bad....Bad. Giving up Jason Bay for Craig Hansen, Andy LaRoche, Bryan Morris, and Brandon Moss hasn't panned out very well either. LaRoche looks like he'll be dished before the end of the year with Pedro Alvarez being brought up. Moss is a pure bench player. Hansen and Morris...yeah. Hansen did some relief work but wasn't that impressive before being shipped down to the minors again. Morris... got suspended for unprofessionalism.~~~~ As for Good Pirates Trades, I'd say the Xavier Nady/Damaso Marte Trade that resulted in Karsten's near Perfect Game (And then he was released...), "Promising" Daniel McCutchen, "Filler" Jose Tabata, and "Boss" Ross Ohlendorf coming to the Pirates. Actually Karstens went unclaimed after being DFA'd so he's still in the Pirates system.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 2, 2009 20:13:55 GMT -5
I'd say that the Broncos look pretty smart with the Cutler trade. They made a play for Cassel, and Cutler got upset and cried a lot about it. I think he honestly thought that they had more faith in Cassel than him, when in fact the only thing anyone knew about Cassel was that he could certainly win games when surrounded by playmakers. Signing him would have allowed them to trade Cutler for a playmaker and some draft picks as well. Granted, the thought that they thought about trading him should upset him, but the fact that he melted down as bad as he did showed a lack of maturity and poise, something direly needed at his position.
Conversely, the Bears look like idiots for giving up so much to get him.
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Post by Drink Up Me Cider on Dec 2, 2009 20:45:10 GMT -5
^Anyone else hoping for an NFL films dvd called 'The Self Destruction of Jay Cutler?' including some one from the Broncos saying 'I couldn't wait to fire him.'
I'll include a soccer/football one here, Andriy Shevchenko to Chelsea for 30 million pounds. He scored 22 goals in two seasons before being sent back to the place they bought him from, AC Milan.
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Post by The Charismatic Enabeler on Dec 3, 2009 0:43:15 GMT -5
I'd have to say trading Iverson for Billups worked out pretty well for Denver. Not so much for Detroit.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 3, 2009 16:23:16 GMT -5
2003: Red Sox send IF Freddy Sanchez to the Pirates for P Jeff Suppan.
Sanchez goes on to become a 3x All Star and batting champion.
Suppan was so bad for the Sox down the stretch that he was left of the playoff roster.
However Suppan would finally help the Sox a year later by forgetting how to run to home. ;D
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Post by The Blue Blazer on Dec 3, 2009 17:39:15 GMT -5
I would've put down Pierzynski for Liriano, Nathan and Bonser, but Liriano has been painfully average since the elbow surgery, Bonser has dropped off the map and Nathan has proven to be a great regular season closer while blowing games at a Jose Mesa clip in the postseason. Boof got hurt before spring training. He should be back next season along with Pat Neshek.
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Post by default on Dec 3, 2009 18:56:48 GMT -5
I'd say that the Broncos look pretty smart with the Cutler trade. They made a play for Cassel, and Cutler got upset and cried a lot about it. I think he honestly thought that they had more faith in Cassel than him, when in fact the only thing anyone knew about Cassel was that he could certainly win games when surrounded by playmakers. Signing him would have allowed them to trade Cutler for a playmaker and some draft picks as well. Granted, the thought that they thought about trading him should upset him, but the fact that he melted down as bad as he did showed a lack of maturity and poise, something direly needed at his position. Conversely, the Bears look like idiots for giving up so much to get him. Yeah. I'm really waiting to see who the Broncos draft and if Cutler improves... or even if the Bears can build up around him. Still, the Bears look pretty dumb for the trade. Stats aside, I don't think Cutler was worth even one first round draft pick for the Bears in addition with Orton.
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Post by The Line on Dec 3, 2009 22:18:06 GMT -5
I'd say that the Broncos look pretty smart with the Cutler trade. They made a play for Cassel, and Cutler got upset and cried a lot about it. I think he honestly thought that they had more faith in Cassel than him, when in fact the only thing anyone knew about Cassel was that he could certainly win games when surrounded by playmakers. Signing him would have allowed them to trade Cutler for a playmaker and some draft picks as well. Granted, the thought that they thought about trading him should upset him, but the fact that he melted down as bad as he did showed a lack of maturity and poise, something direly needed at his position. Conversely, the Bears look like idiots for giving up so much to get him. Yeah. I'm really waiting to see who the Broncos draft and if Cutler improves... or even if the Bears can build up around him. Still, the Bears look pretty dumb for the trade. Stats aside, I don't think Cutler was worth even one first round draft pick for the Bears in addition with Orton. Not just one 1st round pick, but TWO(and a third round). Ridiculous trade on the Chicago's part. Usually its the team in Denver's spot that gets screwed(a team trying hard to dump a known unhappy player), but not only did they get rid of the problem, they also made out with a king's ransom(A starting QB, 2 1st round picks(09's and 10's) and one third round pick in exchange for a starting QB and a 5th round pick). There aren't that many players in the league that I would trade away for my first round picks for the next two years' first round picks, and Jay Cutler, even before this season, is nowhere near that list.
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