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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 19, 2009 5:39:14 GMT -5
Honestly I don't see too much proof that it does. I know some people think that other people only believe it doesn't exist because it get's misdiagnosed a lot but honestly I don't see how you can truly diagnose something like this as a condition or disorder.
Example- My brother was diagnosed with ADD at about 8 or 9 by a child therapist. Of course this was in 1992-1993(kind of the beginning of the add/adhd ritalin craze) but I see little evidence that he has anything similar to ADD. He knows how to concentrate and is very mechanical with electronic type of stuff(even when he was young he could tear stuff apart and put it together.) He was taken to a child therapist because he wasn't doing very good in school.
When I got to about the same age I was taken to a child therapist and they prescribed me with Ritalin. I don't remember if they told me that I had ADD. I don't remember doing any type of test for it so I'm guessig they just figured I had it since my brother "had" it. I took Ritalin till about 12 years old and I admit that it helped me concentrate better but I think that it would make just about anyone concentrate better. I know some people don't react well to it but overall it is designed to do the same thing to anyone.
Remember that South Park episode where they give all the kids Ritalin and none of the kids talk in class at all because they pretty much can't? That is exactly what ritalin did to me. It didn't just help me concentrate better as in like a medication that helps bipolar disorder, it forced me to not even want to talk or anything like that physiologically.
Now this is just my opinion but from what I have researched there just isn't any real medical proof that I can see that ADD/ADHD actually exist. I think it has way more to do with how below average our educational system has become and they are just trying to find a reason why kids aren't able to learn as well as they use to. I hate how as a society we can't take responsibility for this type of social crap that we just find an excuse for.
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Post by -Lithium- on Nov 19, 2009 5:42:57 GMT -5
I dont think your experiences are so much evidence that ADD/ADHD exists or not, but just that doctors really dont pay enough individual attention to the patients. Like you said it was the start of the craze and they would give it out to anyone. The people in "charge" are just lazy...
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Post by Brother Coyote on Nov 19, 2009 6:04:02 GMT -5
I think there are probably a metric f*** ton of childhood things like ADD/ADHD and Auspergers that get over diagnosed because they're chic and new.
I know that sounds stupid but when there's a new THING out there to be diagnosed it seems to show up everywhere and suddenly this new thing that no one has every heard of is an epidemic.
My sister's kid would probably be diagnosed with ADD or ADHD if she didn't run her kids lives with an iron fist. Not that she hits her kids in fact she doesn't ever.
All my experiences with psychiatrists and psychologists have led me to believe that people in that field are all f***ing children. Its really a group that I think should be listened to as little as possible. Psychology is NEAT but its hardly a real science.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Nov 19, 2009 6:06:06 GMT -5
It's an easy way for lazy parents to get away with not keeping there spaztastic kids in check. Hop them up on meds at an early age, that'll do um some good.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Nov 19, 2009 6:06:35 GMT -5
Yes it does exist but its has been grossly over diagnosed. It also doesn't help that there are a lot of stupid parents who believe that Ritalin is a magic pill that solves everything.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 19, 2009 6:08:32 GMT -5
I dont think your experiences are so much evidence that ADD/ADHD exists or not, but just that doctors really dont pay enough individual attention to the patients. Like you said it was the start of the craze and they would give it out to anyone. The people in "charge" are just lazy... Okay you make a good point here. I just want to clarify that I'm not completely saying that ADHD does not exist. I think it is possible but my big problem with it is that I just don't see any real way you can diagnose it. I mean how do you tell a regular hyper kid from a kid with ADHD? It is extremely overdiagnosed and gives a lot of people(especially around my age and a little older since the 90s is when it basically peaked) and excuse and something to say they have that holds them back from succeeding at things. I also left out something else very important. While I was taking Ritalin at first I was taking a small dose. I could feel the difference but I wasn't getting much better at school work. So they gave me a bigger dose. Something like two pills in the morning and two at noon. Then they had me take Paxil at night. For those of you that don't know Paxil was a drug and is still a drug used widely that is an antidepressant. It caused children and adults to commit suicide in the late 90s. When I was a kid I even remember taking it and seeing commercials for it saying that it wasn't for people under 18 years old which I thought was extremely weird and didn't realize why until years later when I found out about the suicides. I guess my big thing here is that we depend way way too much on medication as a society and it isn't getting any better from what I can tell.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 19, 2009 6:14:28 GMT -5
I think there are probably a metric f*** ton of childhood things like ADD/ADHD and Auspergers that get over diagnosed because they're chic and new. I know that sounds stupid but when there's a new THING out there to be diagnosed it seems to show up everywhere and suddenly this new thing that no one has every heard of is an epidemic. My sister's kid would probably be diagnosed with ADD or ADHD if she didn't run her kids lives with an iron fist. Not that she hits her kids in fact she doesn't ever. All my experiences with psychiatrists and psychologists have led me to believe that people in that field are all f***ing children. Its really a group that I think should be listened to as little as possible. Psychology is NEAT but its hardly a real science. Aspergers I think is a bit different from ADHD. I don't think it is nearly as overdiagnosed as ADHD is. Autism which is also still new for the most part(no one had hardly ever heard of it before the movie Rain Man) is obviously real and can be diagnosed. In fact Aspergers is actually an off shoot of Austism.
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Post by PaperStreetBrigade on Nov 19, 2009 6:27:00 GMT -5
I've known a good chunk of friend's younger brothers who were diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. Yet they could sit down and play a video game for hours at a time without losing concentration or getting bored.
What was happening a lot is that teachers/school nurses claimed kids that were trouble makers had ADD or ADHD. Then the school could refuse to allow the kid to return to school until he was medicated.
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Post by sryans on Nov 19, 2009 7:01:21 GMT -5
ADD/ADHD are both quite real. Over-diagnosed? Yes, but real nonetheless.
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Post by biafra on Nov 19, 2009 7:05:36 GMT -5
Real but over diagnosed. Same with Aspergers.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 19, 2009 7:08:23 GMT -5
Real but over diagnosed. Same with Aspergers. This. ADD/ADHD are both criminally over diagnosed.
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Post by Dirty Hazy on Nov 19, 2009 7:23:58 GMT -5
over diagnosed. Anyone ever think the dang kids just DON'T WANT to pay attention?
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 19, 2009 7:26:23 GMT -5
ADD/ADHD are both quite real. Over-diagnosed? Yes, but real nonetheless. Totally agreed; I teach plenty of kids with these conditions. I hope the age of over-diagnosis is finally coming closer to an end. The most striking part is how much these conditions seem to affect boys more than girls.
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Post by EvilMasterBetty, Esq. on Nov 19, 2009 7:50:40 GMT -5
My GF's nephew definitely has ADD/ADHD (not sure which). Trust me, if you're around someone who truly has it, you can tell. However, it is extremely overdiagnosed. Teachers even tried to say I had ADD. Turns out, I was just bored with school
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Post by Brother Coyote on Nov 19, 2009 8:07:35 GMT -5
I always saw it like this, take all the nutty chicks you've known in your life who said "Yea, I'm bi-polar" and the number of them who were actually bi-polar is probably about the same as children of parents who say "yea he's got ADD" probably none.
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Post by Push R Truth on Nov 19, 2009 8:17:16 GMT -5
I think it's exists, but it's WAY overblown.
There are people that need legit help, I'll never deny that.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Nov 19, 2009 8:47:06 GMT -5
When I was in the fourth grade, I was falsely diagnosed with ADD and was put on Ritalin- but more than likely I was just bored, as I remember doing the best in classes with teachers I actually liked. They talked to the students about the lessons/homework, rather than just blandly reading out of the textbook.
However, I knew some very hyper classmates, and some younger cousins that in retrospect probably did have it, so it's quite real. They could not concentrate on anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 9:36:29 GMT -5
Overdiagnosed? Yeah.
I was misdiagnosed with it and OCD back in 2002 and put on Ritalin and Paxil. Then years later I find out I really have Asperger's and bipolar disorder.
Real? Yeah.
My dad's friend's youngest boy has ADHD.
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Nov 19, 2009 10:24:14 GMT -5
I don't know if I was misdiagnosed or not all those years ago, but I went off meds in the 6th grade (~'97) and just learned to cope with it.
I have a friend who IMO uses it as a crutch, whether or not he actually has it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Nov 19, 2009 10:42:54 GMT -5
Yes it does exist but its has been grossly over diagnosed. It also doesn't help that there are a lot of stupid parents who believe that Ritalin is a magic pill that solves everything. This. A million times this
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