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Post by domrep on Nov 21, 2009 16:37:19 GMT -5
I think I have a small case of it. I can't sit down and read a book for an hour because I can't stand still. I feel that reading a book is a chore, so I'm constantly looking around, or getting up and going on the computer, or fixing myself something to eat, or going to the bathroom. I just can't sit there and read without my mind being fixated on something else.
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Post by laughytaffy on Nov 21, 2009 16:42:24 GMT -5
No I don't. I think they're just "disorders" made up to sell drugs.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Nov 21, 2009 16:46:55 GMT -5
it definitely exists. my cousin can barely function without his drugs.
I, on the other hand, was misdiagnosed as having ADD by some quack who just wanted some more money, and the use of ritalin left me with clinical depression and anxiety issues I still have to deal with.
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Post by H-Fist on Nov 21, 2009 17:00:46 GMT -5
No I don't. I think they're just "disorders" made up to sell drugs. How many posts on the previous three pages did you read from those of us with first-hand (people with it) and second-hand (parents/relatives/teachers of people with it) experience with ADHD? It's like saying hunger isn't real. It's just a "disorder" made up to sell food so those unscrupulous subsidized farmers can make money.
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Post by bob on Nov 21, 2009 20:07:18 GMT -5
if it doesn't my parents and I have literally paid thousands of dollars for pills that are useless
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on Nov 21, 2009 21:08:24 GMT -5
Re: Evil Drug Companies: Please. Like every other business on the planet, drug companies supply a need. If you can't understand why parents want to fix their kids problems the same way they fix their other headaches, that is, with a pill, then consider the following. HIV, unwanted pregnancy, and coronary disease are all preventable conditions though change in personal habits. People by their actions, often choose expensive and dangerous medications over change in personal habits. You can't blame the drug companies for french fries and unprotected sex, right? We live in a drug culture, you get tired, drink coffee. You get a headache, take an asprin. Heck, even useless, dangerous herbal rememedies fit into this mindset. Heck, I take a pill for my hair loss, of all things. The drug companies, are just giving us what we want.
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Post by indymadman on Nov 22, 2009 2:52:15 GMT -5
ahhhhhhhh-swineflu-chewwwwww
excuse me...
I couldn't agree more.
To get back on topic... I'm sure ADHD exists... but as most said, it's way to diagnosed.
As somebody very connected with the education profession, it's used by many parents to get special modifications (IEPs or 504's) and services provided by school districts.
Also, parents love it because it's a label and excuse for bad parenting.
Nooooo.... noooooo.... bad diets, parents fighting at home, drug/alcohol abuse, money problems.... lack of personal attention.... profanity in the household..... noooooo that's not the reason the kid is messed up or fights for attention at school.... it's becaues he has ADD.
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Post by Long A, Short A on Nov 22, 2009 4:05:56 GMT -5
Hey, hey! AIDS and Cancer aren't real either, just because I choose not to believe it. I'm glad we have so many scientists here that have dedicated their lives to studying the human mind and the way it behaves to come to such logical and desisive decisions as blunt as "It just doesn't exist"! Sorry guys, you can stick your head in the sand all day long if you choose to, but the conditions exist. Now, if you we're talking about if the conditions are falsely diagnosed often, that is a different story. Bravo,sir. I was thinking the same thing reading some of these posts. I have a cousin who is diagnosed with ADD and I have no doubt it exists. I've seen the difference in him since he was diagnosed. Yes,at times,I'm sure that it is diagnosed incorrectly but it still exists. I'm with you two. When it comes to metal health, the general public is kinda still in the dark ages and it doesn't help matters that calling BS is the new hip thing. I've herd of people calling BS on food allergies.
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Post by default on Nov 22, 2009 4:10:17 GMT -5
I definitely think it does. I knew a kid who was diagnosed with it years ago and he definitely has it. But much like bipolar-ism or alcoholism, it's a scapegoat thing in some instances. It's hard to really prove someone does or doesn't have it.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Nov 26, 2009 14:46:44 GMT -5
I definitely think it does. I knew a kid who was diagnosed with it years ago and he definitely has it. But much like bipolar-ism or alcoholism, it's a scapegoat thing in some instances. It's hard to really prove someone does or doesn't have it. This. A thousand times this. I truly believe that ADD, ADHD and other "skeptical" problems do exist (autism, aspergers), but they've been so abused by people making excuses that they're not taken seriously anymore.
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Post by Loser troll. Please ban me on Nov 26, 2009 16:12:44 GMT -5
Yes, i have it. I was diagosed when i was around 3 years old, eventually i took myself off it after i found out it has the opposite effect as you get older, but i agree it's over diagnosed nowadays.
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Post by Bobafett on Nov 26, 2009 16:56:41 GMT -5
Well I have Dyspraxia which is kinda similar to a minor aspergers..the problem is that its the oppisate, people just label people like me lazy or underachievers
mind you..in my school you had to be extreme in something before they cared
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Post by Dragonfly on Nov 27, 2009 0:13:16 GMT -5
The biggest misconception that people have about ADD/ADHD is the idea of a "wonder drug." I hate to break it to you, but your medication of choice - Ritalin, Adderall, or if you're anything like my father, pot - will not cure all that ails you. It is merely a "push over the cliff;" the one extra piece needed to make you, as my father puts it, a "real person." Take me, for example. I knew how to study. I knew how to relate to people my age. ("Adults," for the lack of a better word, were no problem for me. So-called "kids," on the other hand...) I knew how to handle pressure. There was just something in my head stopping me from doing what I needed to do. My Adderall got rid of all of that. The urge to go overboard and be paranoid or over think is still there. I can just ignore it now.
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Nov 27, 2009 0:17:37 GMT -5
Since me and my girlfriend were both diagnosed with it, I'm inclined to say yes. Although the fact that we underwent a s***load of examinations before being diagnosed lends it some credibility. None of that "unable to remember small details in 'Tuesdays with Morey'" stuff from South Park.
FWIW, I've been off Ritalin for years, although I still take Celexia for anxiety. My girlfriend continues to take Ritalin, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2009 0:20:38 GMT -5
Heck, even useless, dangerous herbal rememedies fit into this mindset. I don't doubt some herbal rememdies are dangerous and useless, but I must say that St. John's wort has helped control my depression more than any prescription drug ever did.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 27, 2009 7:30:11 GMT -5
Re: Evil Drug Companies: Please. Like every other business on the planet, drug companies supply a need. If you can't understand why parents want to fix their kids problems the same way they fix their other headaches, that is, with a pill, then consider the following. HIV, unwanted pregnancy, and coronary disease are all preventable conditions though change in personal habits. People by their actions, often choose expensive and dangerous medications over change in personal habits. You can't blame the drug companies for french fries and unprotected sex, right? We live in a drug culture, you get tired, drink coffee. You get a headache, take an asprin. Heck, even useless, dangerous herbal rememedies fit into this mindset. Heck, I take a pill for my hair loss, of all things. The drug companies, are just giving us what we want. I completely agree. I'm tired of people trying to blame companies, big business, small business, and capitalism in general for personal responsibilities that people need to take for themselves.
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Post by biafra on Nov 27, 2009 7:48:23 GMT -5
Re: Evil Drug Companies: Please. Like every other business on the planet, drug companies supply a need. If you can't understand why parents want to fix their kids problems the same way they fix their other headaches, that is, with a pill, then consider the following. HIV, unwanted pregnancy, and coronary disease are all preventable conditions though change in personal habits. People by their actions, often choose expensive and dangerous medications over change in personal habits. You can't blame the drug companies for french fries and unprotected sex, right? We live in a drug culture, you get tired, drink coffee. You get a headache, take an asprin. Heck, even useless, dangerous herbal rememedies fit into this mindset. Heck, I take a pill for my hair loss, of all things. The drug companies, are just giving us what we want. I completely agree. I'm tired of people trying to blame companies, big business, small business, and capitalism in general for personal responsibilities that people need to take for themselves. Agreed. Like with the people who sell crack and heroin etc..it's not their fault. They are simply providing something there is a market for. People who sell/profit from dangerous or useless substance should bear no responsibility. It should all be on the consumer.
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 27, 2009 8:09:40 GMT -5
I completely agree. I'm tired of people trying to blame companies, big business, small business, and capitalism in general for personal responsibilities that people need to take for themselves. Agreed. Like with the people who sell crack and heroin etc..it's not their fault. They are simply providing something there is a market for. People who sell/profit from dangerous or useless substance should bear no responsibility. It should all be on the consumer. There is some dispute over that but overall that is how I see it. I mean we are much more aware of addiction now and how it works and if people don't go get treated for it it is on them. The shows that are done by Dr. Drew on VH1 go into this a little but I have heard him talk on his radio show a lot about it.
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Post by sryans on Nov 27, 2009 8:41:56 GMT -5
Agreed. Like with the people who sell crack and heroin etc..it's not their fault. They are simply providing something there is a market for. People who sell/profit from dangerous or useless substance should bear no responsibility. It should all be on the consumer. There is some dispute over that but overall that is how I see it. I mean we are much more aware of addiction now and how it works and if people don't go get treated for it it is on them. The shows that are done by Dr. Drew on VH1 go into this a little but I have heard him talk on his radio show a lot about it. You do know that Game was joking right?
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Post by Dave at the Movies on Nov 27, 2009 8:54:01 GMT -5
There is some dispute over that but overall that is how I see it. I mean we are much more aware of addiction now and how it works and if people don't go get treated for it it is on them. The shows that are done by Dr. Drew on VH1 go into this a little but I have heard him talk on his radio show a lot about it. You do know that Game was joking right? Yeah. That is why I said there is some dispute over it. The thing is with that is that we always go after people and places like McDonalds becasue they don't sell healthy things. McDonalds can sell whatever food they want. If people enjoy what they eat there then great. Everyone knows it is unhealthy. We don't need people being politically correct and whining about it. the same goes for drug dealers although they do have to share the blame considering they are illegal subtances. I don't agree with selling drugs but people who ruin their lives from doing drugs and then try to put it all on the drug dealers and say it isn't their fault because they have a disease are just making excuses for their bad habits. If someone has the addiction gene/disease it is treatable and has been for a long time now. It does not good trying to blame others for their choices. How long will it be before we start treating people who eat fast food the same way we treat smokers?
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