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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Dec 7, 2009 4:56:55 GMT -5
I just don't give a crap about Brock. His whole stitch has never been interesting to me and out of all the characters in the show he's the one with the least growth. Now that may change in the coming episodes during the rest of the season but as of now, I could care less about the Swedish Murder Machine.
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 7, 2009 5:37:51 GMT -5
But that's what I thought at first. I've taken some time to think it over, but I don't think the Master ruined Triana/Dean OTP. I think he's creating it. If Triana and Dean went on their current paths, it'll probably end up as the Master portrayed sans exaggerations. But if they were seperated so that Triana can become a sorceress and Dean would get to focus on science, when they grow up and become masters of their fields, they'll wind up together in a team. An interesting point. I mean lets admit it, the Master always seems to be focused and on point. And he's basically right in this episode. Dean was too needy and focused on the only girl he knows of, and she...well, she needed a change of clothes and not get her mind wiped constantly. I'm betting the show ends with a look into the future with Hank, Dean, and Triana as a team of better versions of their parents. As a team who has overcome their failures. I was gonna retort of how this flies in the face of the show's central theme of failure. Everyone is a screw-up in some fashion, even Brock the murder machine having to guard a super scientist's mediocre son and his rotting tech empire for years. Yet look at season 2 and putting back together that certain relationship severed the series earlier. I think you might actually be right, and show those kids doing sometihng their parents never did. Grow up. Better yet, they leave behind for good that superhero/villainy nonsense. Be stiffs in the real world like the rest of us.
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 7, 2009 5:41:30 GMT -5
And where does that leave Brock, now that I think about it? Does HE come back and start to make up for lost time with Dermott? Or is he the lone wildcard that never settles down? I just think its interesting how despite the DNA, Hank is more Brock's son than Dermott. I mean look at how Brock hated that kid, an Anti-Brock while Hank tries (if usually fails) to emulate the Swedish Murder Machine. Poor Brock would have a stroke if he ever knows about the fruit of his loins.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 7, 2009 6:20:51 GMT -5
They never confirmed that dermott was brock's son I believe.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Dec 7, 2009 9:46:01 GMT -5
They never confirmed that dermott was brock's son I believe. You're right, they never did. But it's safe to assume I think. You know what I hate about Trianna leaving to live with her mother and become a sorceress? No more Kim return. But I think it was cool the way she and Dean "broke up".
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Dec 7, 2009 11:33:28 GMT -5
And now that I think about it, dean almost had a threesome in season 3, so he's more of a ladies man than hank by this point.
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Post by The Line on Dec 7, 2009 11:38:46 GMT -5
my VB dvds should hopefully be in today.Kinda a bad time of the year(this week is 'dead week' and next week is finals week), but I guess that'll make them 'last longer'. Then hopefully I'll get season 3 sometime after, and try and do some half-assed 'tide myself over until the new episodes come back next year' thing
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Post by Kroot bringing Justice on Dec 7, 2009 16:12:29 GMT -5
On the whole failure thing, you gotta remember when Doc and Hammer started VB they were both in a very bad place at the time, but now they are much happier, hence in these past couple of seasons it looks like everyone is in a better place than they were before.
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Post by theryno665 on Dec 7, 2009 16:29:35 GMT -5
So, Adultswim.com is doing it to me again, only letting me watch the new episode up until the first commercial break. I can't be the only one having this problem!
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Dec 7, 2009 19:50:25 GMT -5
So, Adultswim.com is doing it to me again, only letting me watch the new episode up until the first commercial break. I can't be the only one having this problem! Yeah it did that to me too. I just went where it says "Top Shows" underneath and clicked on the Venture Brothers. It should have the full episode all in small parts in "Most Recent." It gets kind of annoying coming back and forth and clicking on each part, but I'm pretty sure it's the whole episode. Just scene by scene.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 8, 2009 1:13:47 GMT -5
I like what they're doing with the show, it's one of the first animated shows where the characters are growing instead of being the same over and over again. It's actually really weird how they pulled the rug out from everyone last season, and now it seems like everyone is finding themselves: the boys can grow up now that their clones are all dead, 26 is becoming more of a man (albeit an unbalanced one, possibly a haunted one) due to his best friend dying, Brock has a new purpose in his life that may actually end up making him come closer to Doc and the Boys, Orpheus and Trianna are both learning to go on with their lives, and Monarch and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch are enjoying a life of being on top of the arching community and theirselves (even Monarch is showing more confidence, like when he told the Tim-Tim and Kevin off). In fact, the only ones who seem like nothing's really changing is Hatred and Dr. Venture.
BTW, have I ever mentioned how much I love this show? ;D
So, is this the official season finale coming up, or just them breaking the episode run in two? Because the season seems wicked short if it's the former.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Dec 8, 2009 7:02:00 GMT -5
I like what they're doing with the show, it's one of the first animated shows where the characters are growing instead of being the same over and over again. It's actually really weird how they pulled the rug out from everyone last season, and now it seems like everyone is finding themselves: the boys can grow up now that their clones are all dead, 26 is becoming more of a man (albeit an unbalanced one, possibly a haunted one) due to his best friend dying, Brock has a new purpose in his life that may actually end up making him come closer to Doc and the Boys, Orpheus and Trianna are both learning to go on with their lives, and Monarch and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch are enjoying a life of being on top of the arching community and theirselves (even Monarch is showing more confidence, like when he told the Tim-Tim and Kevin off). In fact, the only ones who seem like nothing's really changing is Hatred and Dr. Venture. BTW, have I ever mentioned how much I love this show? ;D So, is this the official season finale coming up, or just them breaking the episode run in two? Because the season seems wicked short if it's the former. They're doing two mini-seasons of 8 episodes each, instead of a full season of 12. The other half of the season will air in the Spring probably.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 8, 2009 14:05:59 GMT -5
I like what they're doing with the show, it's one of the first animated shows where the characters are growing instead of being the same over and over again. It's actually really weird how they pulled the rug out from everyone last season, and now it seems like everyone is finding themselves: the boys can grow up now that their clones are all dead, 26 is becoming more of a man (albeit an unbalanced one, possibly a haunted one) due to his best friend dying, Brock has a new purpose in his life that may actually end up making him come closer to Doc and the Boys, Orpheus and Trianna are both learning to go on with their lives, and Monarch and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch are enjoying a life of being on top of the arching community and theirselves (even Monarch is showing more confidence, like when he told the Tim-Tim and Kevin off). In fact, the only ones who seem like nothing's really changing is Hatred and Dr. Venture. BTW, have I ever mentioned how much I love this show? ;D So, is this the official season finale coming up, or just them breaking the episode run in two? Because the season seems wicked short if it's the former. They're doing two mini-seasons of 8 episodes each, instead of a full season of 12. The other half of the season will air in the Spring probably. I can live with that.
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 8, 2009 19:56:03 GMT -5
In fact, the only ones who seem like nothing's really changing is Hatred and Dr. Venture. See I disagree. Hatred went from a pedophile supervillain who at one point last season had Monarch in his palm, to now divorced, unemployed and having to become a bodyguard, and of course fighting that whole molesting problem like a drug junkie. I mean remember him locking himself in the panic room after he runs out of that medicine? Before he finally gives in, the guy was desperately trying to keep himself from falling off the wagon. Not exactly his old self, so that must mean something. As for Dr. Venture, this has been said earlier, but he's trying to a degree to be a real parent. Not necesarily a good one, but him trying to encourage Dean and bonding over that Prog Rock...better than letting Brock do the job. Now the real question is, what's the fall out from the next episode? I mean in all VB season finales, surely even a mid-season break like this, something big or consequential seems to occur. The boys get killed, the clones destroyed, Monarch gets married and a secret (WHAT?!?!), Brock Quits, #24 gets killed, etc. I have this nagging feeling what will happen next week. OK two of them, and I wonder if Hammer/Publick will go there.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 8, 2009 19:59:27 GMT -5
In fact, the only ones who seem like nothing's really changing is Hatred and Dr. Venture. See I disagree. Hatred went from a pedophile supervillain who at one point last season had Monarch in his palm, to now divorced, unemployed and having to become a bodyguard, and of course fighting that whole molesting problem like a drug junkie. I mean remember him locking himself in the panic room after he runs out of that medicine? Before he finally gives in, the guy was desperately trying to keep himself from falling off the wagon. Not exactly his old self, so that must mean something. As for Dr. Venture, this has been said earlier, but he's trying to a degree to be a real parent. Not necesarily a good one, but him trying to encourage Dean and bonding over that Prog Rock...better than letting Brock do the job. Now the real question is, what's the fall out from the next episode? I mean in all VB season finales, surely even a mid-season break like this, something big or consequential seems to occur. The boys get killed, the clones destroyed, Monarch gets married and a secret (WHAT?!?!), Brock Quits, #24 gets killed, etc. I have this nagging feeling what will happen next week. OK two of them, and I wonder if Hammer/Publick will go there. And what would those be? Nothing like a sudden death, or pregnancy announcement to shock viewers, I say. ;D
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 8, 2009 20:08:32 GMT -5
Or a divorce. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Actually, this was something that came to mind: {Spoiler}What if #24 was murdered not by OSI or the Venture family but.....the woman of his dreams?
Or not.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 8, 2009 20:57:21 GMT -5
Something tells me that the whole thing with 24's skull apparently moving in the one episode may have something to do with what may be the big ending of the season. But I've speculated on a lot of stuff last year that just didn't come true (like my big idea that the entire season would have them time travelling and dimension hopping just from the teaser trailer...didn't happen).
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Post by Sajoa Moe on Dec 8, 2009 21:12:03 GMT -5
This just occurred to me:
This week we saw Billy for the first time since his unfortunate encounter with Sgt. Hatred, and he didn't seem the least bit fazed by it. I figured he'd spend at least the rest of the season living with the horrible memories of whatever happened that night.
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Post by Rorschach on Dec 8, 2009 21:12:48 GMT -5
This just occurred to me: This week we saw Billy for the first time since his unfortunate encounter with Sgt. Hatred, and he didn't seem the least bit fazed by it. I figured he'd spend at least the rest of the season living with the horrible memories of whatever happened that night. Mindwipe? Maybe?
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Post by toddpolt on Dec 8, 2009 21:58:45 GMT -5
Something tells me that the whole thing with 24's skull apparently moving in the one episode may have something to do with what may be the big ending of the season. But I've speculated on a lot of stuff last year that just didn't come true (like my big idea that the entire season would have them time travelling and dimension hopping just from the teaser trailer...didn't happen). Perhaps? I mean that next episodes definately sets it up where #21 goes after Brock because he thinks the Swedish Murder Machine killed #24. And we know that isn't true, so I just wonder where the swerve is on that whole front. Or once again, Publick/Hammer are screwing our expectations. They sure have a knack for constantly pulling that on us. to poor Billy, it's better to be left unsaid. Imagine if Pete White found out. Billy would never hear the end of it.
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