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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2009 18:30:42 GMT -5
I'm watching SS '96 on WWE Classics on Demand right now. I had taken a break from the WWF between about '95 and '97, so a lot of this stuff is new to me. I was just wondering, what's up with JR?
Was he supposed to be a heel? He doesn't have a heel bias in his commentary, he just seems to be an egotistical, grumpy version of regular JR. Was there some kind of angle to this?
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Post by Paul E. Funk on Nov 12, 2009 18:43:32 GMT -5
He turned heel when he introduced Fake Razor and Fake Diesel (Kane) in September 1996. He blasted Vince for firing him due to his Bells Palsy. Try and track down In Your House: Buried Alive, he'd kind of toned it down by Survivor Series. They actually cut him off at Buried Alive in a case of 'Technical Difficulties'. It all seemed to be resolved come Rumble 1997 when J.R finally donned the Black Resistol hat that Vince had been trying to make him wear for a while.
EDIT: found the turn:
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Post by Well, Youre Wrong on Nov 12, 2009 18:56:33 GMT -5
Iliked '96 "Heel" Jim Ross. too bad it was attached to that stupid Fake Diesel and Razor storyline. But it was Angry Jim Ross before Angry Jim Ross.
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Post by Aceorton on Nov 12, 2009 19:00:03 GMT -5
Having J.R. go heel on Vince created problems on commentary, because J.R. and Vince couldn't call matches together without constantly drawing attention to their own feud. (Check out the Buried Alive PPV mentioned above and see how awkward the first two matches are.)
They tried to fix the situation by using J.R. as a backstage interviewer who refused to ask the wrestlers "softball" questions, but that didn't last long. So they slowly brought J.R. back to "normal," but it took several weeks, and Survivor Series fell during that strange interim period where he was grouchy and still taking occasional digs at Vince.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 12, 2009 19:05:44 GMT -5
Seems like another of these rants might be overdue. Only this time aimed at Johnny Ace instead of McMahon.
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 12, 2009 19:56:15 GMT -5
"That's called a WRISTLOCK, Vince..."
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Post by Big Daddy Bad Booking on Nov 12, 2009 21:16:34 GMT -5
The crowd ate it all up, which leaves me to believe that heel JR would be a face in all the world.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 13, 2009 0:29:50 GMT -5
Didn't Heel JR punch Michael Cole and call him "pretty boy"? I seem to remember that happening.
Vintage announcer battles!
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Post by chunkylover53 on Nov 13, 2009 0:34:28 GMT -5
Didn't Heel JR punch Michael Cole and call him "pretty boy"? I seem to remember that happening. Vintage announcer battles! That was JR's second heel turn when he returned from his bells pallsy attack - 2 years later. Fans just can't hate JR for some reason. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 0:40:14 GMT -5
I liked the angle, but it was a case of:
1. JR being too likable and seeming off and uncomfortable heeling it up. Kinda like Bret Hart, but he adapted and managed to make it work where as JR really couldn't.
2. His reasons for being a dick were actually understandable and agreeable. It was like if they tried to make Austin a heel in the McMahon feud. Nobody is going to boo a guy sticking up for himself against a rich boss, especially if he has a good reason for it.
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Post by Rorschach on Nov 13, 2009 0:58:44 GMT -5
I liked the angle, but it was a case of: 1. JR being too likable and seeming off and uncomfortable heeling it up. Kinda like Bret Hart, but he adapted and managed to make it work where as JR really couldn't. 2. His reasons for being a dick were actually understandable and agreeable. It was like if they tried to make Austin a heel in the McMahon feud. Nobody is going to boo a guy sticking up for himself against a rich boss, especially if he has a good reason for it. Agreed. Did you hear the pop he got when he called the toga thing "stupid"? THAT's what makes me think a Ross explosion on today's product would go over HUGE. Especially if he were to, say....bring in a wrestler that's his idea of what the company should be built around, and what the company should embody. Could be a huge launchpad for a future talent. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 13, 2009 1:03:10 GMT -5
I liked the angle, but it was a case of: 1. JR being too likable and seeming off and uncomfortable heeling it up. Kinda like Bret Hart, but he adapted and managed to make it work where as JR really couldn't. 2. His reasons for being a dick were actually understandable and agreeable. It was like if they tried to make Austin a heel in the McMahon feud. Nobody is going to boo a guy sticking up for himself against a rich boss, especially if he has a good reason for it. Agreed. Did you hear the pop he got when he called the toga thing "stupid"? THAT's what makes me think a Ross explosion on today's product would go over HUGE. Especially if he were to, say....bring in a wrestler that's his idea of what the company should be built around, and what the company should embody. Could be a huge launchpad for a future talent. Even as a kid I remember marking out during this. It definitely didn't help that WCW was red hot at the time and WWF was pretty sucky. Only thing I really enjoyed then was the Taker vs. Mankind feud. I remember agreeing with him a bunch and then being confused that he was a heel. I guess it was the whole promising Razor and Diesel thing and then crapping on the fans hopes by bring out fakes, but that didn't work for me since I was a 12 year old mark with no internet and even I was not stupid or naive enough to think NAsh and Hall were actually going to show up. |
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Post by Mongo & Pepe: Back in Black on Nov 13, 2009 1:27:42 GMT -5
So, JR has a pattern of coming back from Bell's Palsy as a heel. Hmmmm.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Nov 13, 2009 11:33:20 GMT -5
Jim Ross shooting on Vince for his "stupid idea" of a Japanese Noh mask gimmick for Doctor Death was great. He schooled us all in Dr. Death's credentials as an amateur/collegiate wrestler and opened my eyes to Vince McMahons's absurd view of what he thinks the fans want to see.
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Post by Full of IT. on Nov 13, 2009 11:45:33 GMT -5
I liked the angle, but it was a case of: 1. JR being too likable and seeming off and uncomfortable heeling it up. Kinda like Bret Hart, but he adapted and managed to make it work where as JR really couldn't. 2. His reasons for being a dick were actually understandable and agreeable. It was like if they tried to make Austin a heel in the McMahon feud. Nobody is going to boo a guy sticking up for himself against a rich boss, especially if he has a good reason for it. Agreed. Did you hear the pop he got when he called the toga thing "stupid"? THAT's what makes me think a Ross explosion on today's product would go over HUGE. Especially if he were to, say....bring in a wrestler that's his idea of what the company should be built around, and what the company should embody. Could be a huge launchpad for a future talent. "and his opponent... accompanied to the ring by his manager, Jim Ross... Jack Swagger!" |
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Post by manstis1804 on Nov 13, 2009 19:43:46 GMT -5
JR would be a great manager, he'd give his wrestler instant cred.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 13, 2009 19:47:31 GMT -5
I liked the angle, but it was a case of: 1. JR being too likable and seeming off and uncomfortable heeling it up. Kinda like Bret Hart, but he adapted and managed to make it work where as JR really couldn't. 2. His reasons for being a dick were actually understandable and agreeable. It was like if they tried to make Austin a heel in the McMahon feud. Nobody is going to boo a guy sticking up for himself against a rich boss, especially if he has a good reason for it. Agreed. Did you hear the pop he got when he called the toga thing "stupid"? THAT's what makes me think a Ross explosion on today's product would go over HUGE. Especially if he were to, say....bring in a wrestler that's his idea of what the company should be built around, and what the company should embody. Could be a huge launchpad for a future talent. I guess like he did for Dr. Death, only this time we wouldn't have a Brawl For All ruining things. I could see him getting behind Swagger. He's an athlete, I am pretty sure he's from Oklahoma. Hell, he even does the Oklahoma Stampede sometimes, and a variation of the Doctor Bomb. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 13, 2009 19:48:21 GMT -5
Agreed. Did you hear the pop he got when he called the toga thing "stupid"? THAT's what makes me think a Ross explosion on today's product would go over HUGE. Especially if he were to, say....bring in a wrestler that's his idea of what the company should be built around, and what the company should embody. Could be a huge launchpad for a future talent. "and his opponent... accompanied to the ring by his manager, Jim Ross... Jack Swagger!" Damn, guess you beat me to it. |
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Post by Handsome Halfbreed on Nov 14, 2009 9:27:26 GMT -5
Jeez, I forgot all about the heel JR along w/ fake Diesel and Razor gimmick. That angle failed right from the start. At the Survivor Series PPV I recall JR making comments trying to breathe life into the the storyline by stating that the new Razor and Diesel are younger stroner and much more better looking than the originals. Both Hall and Nash were red hot and co-creaters of the nWo and they're going to tell me Isaac Yankem is better than them??? Thats what killed it for me. It also killed JR's credibility.
But if the angle was a success I remember hearing that Vampire Warrior (Gangrel) was going to be brought in as fake Mr. Perfect that is before Hennig left for wCw. Also Raven and Stevie were also going to be introduced as fake Bret Hart and fake HBK but they too went to wCw.
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Post by saintturgeon on Nov 14, 2009 15:23:29 GMT -5
does anyone know how fake Diesel debuted?
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