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Post by Above Average on Nov 19, 2009 12:58:01 GMT -5
The words of Tiffany on ECW regarding CM Punk's failure to consume alcoholic beverages.
Very rare for me to get offended, but this would be one of those cases. Tiffany is supposed to be a face. I don't expect that kind of comment from a face. If a heel had said it, it'd be fine, but why would a face basically condemn anyone who makes the life choice not to drink?
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Post by Marvelously Mediocre on Nov 19, 2009 12:59:46 GMT -5
Yeah this pissed me off as well. Nice of them teaching kids that if you don't drink you're not human.
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Post by livetowin on Nov 19, 2009 13:01:06 GMT -5
I think she was just saying be a human, or be a dancer.
And really, are we human? Or are we dancer?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 13:04:49 GMT -5
Considering her acting abilities, "Be a Human" is the last thing Tiffany should be telling other people to be ;D.
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Post by Dub H on Nov 19, 2009 13:09:46 GMT -5
Considering her acting abilities, "Be a Human" is the last thing Tiffany should be telling other people to be ;D. Maybe she was thinking and whitout notice, said it out loud
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Post by stormwrestling on Nov 19, 2009 13:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by Randy Barber 4-Life on Nov 19, 2009 13:14:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it was kind of odd that in an era marketed so much to the kids, a guy who doesn't drink, smoke, or do drugs is told to loosen up and be human.
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Post by Tapout on Nov 19, 2009 13:14:39 GMT -5
The words of Tiffany on ECW regarding CM Punk's failure to consume alcoholic beverages. Very rare for me to get offended, but this would be one of those cases. Tiffany is supposed to be a face. I don't expect that kind of comment from a face. If a heel had said it, it'd be fine, but why would a face basically condemn anyone who makes the life choice not to drink? Thanks for sending your feedback! We here at WWE Creative just love to hear all the thoughts and suggestions from the WWE Universe(TM)! To answer your question, CM Punk is what we in the Sports Entertainment business call a "Bad Guy." That means that everything he says is bad, and when he talks, you are supposed to boo. It can be confusing sometimes, but hopefully that clears things up! Thanks for being a part of the WWE Universe(TM)!
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Post by PKO on Nov 19, 2009 13:19:30 GMT -5
I see this being a continual thing.
Being Straight Edge worked when Punk was a face; it was something to respect him for. Unfortunately, in terms of character it works better as a heel who thinks they are better than everyone else because they don't drink, smoke etc. The majority of people out there enjoy to drink, and Tiffany's line was supposed to be supporting those people. Unfortunately, this is a touchy subject and this came out badly.
I don't think Punk's Straight Edge lifestyle should be mocked or presented as something that is wrong.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Nov 19, 2009 13:24:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that kind of ticked me off, too.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 19, 2009 13:30:10 GMT -5
That's beautiful. About the whole "human" thing, I wasn't so much offended as I was flabbergasted. It was one thing for him to be a "nerd" for it, but this was just lunacy. Do they have beer sponsors or something?
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Post by Hogasm on Nov 19, 2009 13:33:05 GMT -5
This is supposed to be offensive?
Heh, I guess most people here don't know bar mentality
Also stormwrestling, I just watched T2 last night! Do you know what the single most said phrase in T2?
"C'MON!!!"
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Post by Ralnathane on Nov 19, 2009 13:37:49 GMT -5
As a former drunk, I can say that I too was put off by that comment.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Nov 19, 2009 13:42:06 GMT -5
CM Punk has an extremist character, meaning that even if you just have a glass of wine at a party, its equal to getting wasted at a Metallica concert.
I thought Tiffany was saying that she likes to have a drink every once and a while, and its fine as long as you don't get blitzed everyday of the week.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Nov 19, 2009 13:45:30 GMT -5
CM Punk has an extremist character, meaning that even if you just have a glass of wine at a party, its equal to getting wasted at a Metallica concert. I thought Tiffany was saying that she likes to have a drink every once and a while, and its fine as long as you don't get blitzed everyday of the week. It's a pity she has neither the emotional range or the acting talent to actually show that, and instead it comes off as "You don't drink? What's wrong with you?" Although, to be fair, the writers were probably more at fault than her, but I'll take any chance I can get to blast Tiffany's....."talent".
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Post by noleafclover1980 on Nov 19, 2009 13:46:11 GMT -5
I don't think a GM with so much responsibility should be out partying. Maybe that's why she signs people to 4 month contracts, damn drunk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2009 13:48:19 GMT -5
I think she was just saying be a human, or be denser. And really, are we human? Or are we denser? Fixed
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Post by angryfan on Nov 19, 2009 13:51:08 GMT -5
It IS confusing in that, while one can say he's a snob or a pretentious jackass for feeling that his choice is superior to others in terms of making him more unlikable as a heel, to do it the way they have makes zero sense.
You don't drink? It's because you're eitehr not human, or just a "nerd". So now the audience is being told by the "good guys" that, if you don't drink, you're a nerd and no kid wants to be that, they want to be cool and accepted.
I know someone will point out that this is overthinking a throwaway line on the C show, and it wasn't meant to tell kids that drinking is cool for them, except the company as a whole IS marketed to a younger audience, most of whom are not of legal drinking age. It may have indeed just been a throwaway line, but the fact that it was even written in the first place is the problem.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 19, 2009 14:01:36 GMT -5
I don't think a GM with so much responsibility should be out partying. Maybe that's why she signs people to 4 month contracts, damn drunk. No kidding. She also allows another one to bargain his job, along with his sister, and certainly doesn't have a replacement lined up.
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Post by manstis1804 on Nov 19, 2009 14:16:04 GMT -5
To be honest, I think that kind of stuff is meant to bury Punk, and if it's not meant to then it will end up doing so anyway. To anyone watching ECW, the credibility of his gimmick is ruined. Actually, the Christian segment was worse because he just stood there and let his lifestyle be insulted instead of throwing fists/elbows/knees/feet at his face. This opened the floodgates, we know how WWE creative loves to repeat themselves, so don't you guys think this will continue to happen? Hopefully it leads to Punk just exploding and beating the crap out of people who question his lifestyle, but I don't see that happening.
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