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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 26, 2009 3:32:53 GMT -5
Easiest answer: Randy Orton. Pushed so heavily from day one that people consider him losing his title feud with HHH a burial. But it was. It wasn't just the one loss at Unforgiven, it was the whole feud. Triple H made it very clear that he's the one who created Orton and Orton was not in Triple H's league - and then he beats him. It totally killed Orton's heat and credibility. Then, Orton somehow is able to re-establish himself and finally faces Triple H in a rematch at the Royal Rumble and loses again. There really is no excuse for that. Not all the blame goes to Triple H, as it wasn't a very wise move to turn Orton face in the first place. At least not in the way they did. He had been an obnoxious jerk for a long time, beating everybody down and telling us he was better than us and now he gets kicked out of Evolution. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the little brat? No. They should have had Orton decide to LEAVE Evolution by delievering an RKO to Triple H. It would have made a world of difference. That way, the audience might have fealt sorry for him for getting screwed out of the title at Unforgiven and get behind him on his quest to regain it. But they decided to say scrap that, let's go with Batista. I didn't think it was a burial. He was still winning the majority of his matches and HHH had to cheat to beat him in the first place. I mean, if Orton was buried than every other challenger outside of Batista and Chris Benoit was buried during that era of HHH as well , people dont seem to agree with that most of the time or they say its just smark hate. Was it bad booking, yes. Bad booking doesn't equal not being pushed though. He was still being pushed and after he got out of that storyline he turned heel and continued to be pushed.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 26, 2009 4:00:46 GMT -5
But it was. It wasn't just the one loss at Unforgiven, it was the whole feud. Triple H made it very clear that he's the one who created Orton and Orton was not in Triple H's league - and then he beats him. It totally killed Orton's heat and credibility. Then, Orton somehow is able to re-establish himself and finally faces Triple H in a rematch at the Royal Rumble and loses again. There really is no excuse for that. Not all the blame goes to Triple H, as it wasn't a very wise move to turn Orton face in the first place. At least not in the way they did. He had been an obnoxious jerk for a long time, beating everybody down and telling us he was better than us and now he gets kicked out of Evolution. Are we supposed to feel sorry for the little brat? No. They should have had Orton decide to LEAVE Evolution by delievering an RKO to Triple H. It would have made a world of difference. That way, the audience might have fealt sorry for him for getting screwed out of the title at Unforgiven and get behind him on his quest to regain it. But they decided to say scrap that, let's go with Batista. I didn't think it was a burial. He was still winning the majority of his matches and HHH had to cheat to beat him in the first place. I mean, if Orton was buried than every other challenger outside of Batista and Chris Benoit was buried during that era of HHH as well , people dont seem to agree with that most of the time or they say its just smark hate. Was it bad booking, yes. Bad booking doesn't equal not being pushed though. He was still being pushed and after he got out of that storyline he turned heel and continued to be pushed. Yes, he was getting pushed. But to me, what constitues as a burial, is when you walk out of a feud looking drastically worse than you were prior to the feud. And Orton looked like a joke after Unforgiven.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Nov 26, 2009 5:41:14 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Rock hasn't been mentioned yet.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 26, 2009 5:53:46 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 26, 2009 6:42:56 GMT -5
If we're just going by WWF/E stints, I'd have to say Shawn Michaels. He was pushed through the 90s regardless of what the paying audience thought of him and seldom ever dropped down the card for long regardless of his sobriety or attitude. It's only after his comeback has he actually laid down for people to help them get over and even then it's patchy. Some people will argue and call the Rockers a jobber tag team, and while they were never tag champions, they were popular, always seemed to be on PPV cards and were nowhere near the level of Well Dunn, The Beverly Brothers or The Bushwhackers.
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Post by Schattenjager on Nov 26, 2009 6:53:32 GMT -5
If we're just going by WWF/E stints, I'd have to say Shawn Michaels. He was pushed through the 90s regardless of what the paying audience thought of him and seldom ever dropped down the card for long regardless of his sobriety or attitude. It's only after his comeback has he actually laid down for people to help them get over and even then it's patchy. Some people will argue and call the Rockers a jobber tag team, and while they were never tag champions, they were popular, always seemed to be on PPV cards and were nowhere near the level of Well Dunn, The Beverly Brothers or The Bushwhackers. Dude, the guy was fired once.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Nov 26, 2009 10:12:22 GMT -5
Dude, the guy was fired once. What, when the Midnight Rockers were fired a few weeks into their first tenure for a bar brawl before even appearing on TV? Does that even count? Or do you mean when he allegedly failed a drug test and quit, only to be rehired then put in a survivor series match with Bret Hart and his family? Again, didn't seem to affect his push as he was put onto a PPV, then a program for the IC title. Seems to me, apart from an incident when he was starting with the 'E, he was pretty much bulletproof.
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Post by Mac on Nov 26, 2009 10:47:19 GMT -5
Wouldnt the 100% most obvious answer be Hulk Hogan?
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Post by playoldgames on Nov 26, 2009 11:03:43 GMT -5
Sid.
Always, ALWAYS got pushed. Sometimes it was justified, sometimes it wasn't.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Nov 26, 2009 11:06:25 GMT -5
Wouldnt the 100% most obvious answer be Hulk Hogan? Towards the end of his 2002 run, when he was teaming with Edge and then put over Brock Lesnar, he was just there. He was still over and used, but after he lost the Undisputed Title to Taker, he left the main event for awhile. That's the closest I could come to Hogan not being pushed.
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Post by dlg3000 on Nov 26, 2009 11:33:33 GMT -5
HBK, Trish Stratus, and Lita
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Post by rocket on Nov 26, 2009 12:33:36 GMT -5
Sid. Always, ALWAYS got pushed. Sometimes it was justified, sometimes it wasn't. The funny thing is that Sid was only in 2 Wrestlemanias 5 years apart, but both times they were in the main event. As for Lita, she wasn't pushed with Matt Hardy early in 2004 due to something they did to annoy officials (I don't remember exactly what it was). That, and she didn't beat Molly in Survivor Series 2003 when all logic said yes due to post-neck surgery workrate issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2009 13:06:54 GMT -5
It's pretty remarkable that Taker has been pushed for almost 20 years now without fail.
Sure he's taken like 250 breaks but any time he's an active wrestler, he's being pushed. Creative always "has something for him". Forget about the winning mania streak, just BEING at 17 wrestlemanias is remarkable.
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Post by toodarkmark on Nov 26, 2009 14:43:14 GMT -5
Vince McMahon.
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Post by ilggant on Nov 27, 2009 8:35:35 GMT -5
The Undertaker is the father of this thread
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Post by Bo Rida on Nov 27, 2009 9:43:51 GMT -5
Billy Gunn received push after push, somebody must have really liked him as he was always being pushed, even post Billy and Chuck he got a fair few storylines and title shots.
As Brock was mentioned so I'll say Lashley too.
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Post by reckoner on Nov 27, 2009 16:41:03 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Rock hasn't been mentioned yet. Yeah, Rocky was my first thought.
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Post by mauled on Nov 27, 2009 17:54:00 GMT -5
Not really he was buried after the MSG incident No he was'nt. Even on his own King of Kings DVD he admits that Vince told him he was only punishing him for forms sake and he didnt mean it really. He was on the booking committe by early 97 and winning that years king of the ring. But others have mentioned HBK. Lets face it if you were in the clique you could pretty much do what you wanted you were always going to get pushed. It reminds me a bit of the film Goodfellas where he says when you get made you can do what you want.
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Post by bob on Nov 27, 2009 17:58:54 GMT -5
Hogan
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Post by Fantozzi on Nov 27, 2009 18:43:16 GMT -5
i'm surprised nobody mentioned lashley
cena jobbed a lot between the 2 injuries of 2007 and 2008 (let's forget for a moment that he won the rumble at his return)
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