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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 23, 2009 20:13:01 GMT -5
I really doubt that he is a suck-up to Triple H. However, good for him if it is true. We all kiss our boss's asses to get ahead. I know I do!! How can anyone judge Sheamus for doing the same thing? The rebel-type "Stone Cold" Steve Austin character that treats the boss like crap only works in fiction. If you can show me anyone in the real world who doesn't suck up to his or her boss, and I will show you someone with almost no hopes for career advancement. Furthermore, if this is true, I wish all the wrestlers would suck up to Triple H. Imagine all the variety in the main event scene. I doubt Undertaker is the type to kiss up to anyone. Not everyone kisses up to get ahead, i know I don't. I never have and I've already received promotions based on hard work and my solid track record. You can make a good name for yourself and earn respect without sucking up.
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Post by don on Dec 23, 2009 20:18:42 GMT -5
I really doubt that he is a suck-up to Triple H. However, good for him if it is true. We all kiss our boss's asses to get ahead. I know I do!! How can anyone judge Sheamus for doing the same thing? The rebel-type "Stone Cold" Steve Austin character that treats the boss like crap only works in fiction. If you can show me anyone in the real world who doesn't suck up to his or her boss, and I will show you someone with almost no hopes for career advancement. Furthermore, if this is true, I wish all the wrestlers would suck up to Triple H. Imagine all the variety in the main event scene. I doubt Undertaker is the type to kiss up to anyone. Not everyone kisses up to get ahead, i know I don't. I never have and I've already received promotions based on hard work and my solid track record. You can make a good name for yourself and earn respect without sucking up. But sucking up gets you there that much faster!!! ;D Also, how do you know whether or not The Undertaker was a kiss up. He doesn't have to be right now because of his longevity, but 2 months into his WWE run, I'm sure he wouldn't have hesitated to wash Vince McMahon's car for more TV time. Also, good for you with your career. However, I can assure you that you are in the minority.
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Post by Lancers on Dec 23, 2009 20:22:44 GMT -5
I however, had Dec. 23rd as my pick in the pool. Too bad I was the only one in my pool...and I can't pay myself. I just love the total ambiguity of the article.... Editor: "Whaddya got on Sheamus' relationship with Triple H?" Writer #1: "Well...we got a couple of guys saying that Sheamus is a real brown noser." Writer #2: "....but I got a really good source telling me that stuff is overexaggerated." Editor: "So basically we have two relatively different stories about their relationship. Which means that we really don't have a story, but because we put this out there, it will lead to there being a story." Writer #1: "Correct." Editor: "PERFECT! Post that s*** now before someone else beats us to the punch!"
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Dec 23, 2009 20:33:23 GMT -5
I doubt Undertaker is the type to kiss up to anyone. Not everyone kisses up to get ahead, i know I don't. I never have and I've already received promotions based on hard work and my solid track record. You can make a good name for yourself and earn respect without sucking up. But sucking up gets you there that much faster!!! ;D Also, how do you know whether or not The Undertaker was a kiss up. He doesn't have to be right now because of his longevity, but 2 months into his WWE run, I'm sure he wouldn't have hesitated to wash Vince McMahon's car for more TV time. Also, good for you with your career. However, I can assure you that you are in the majority. All I can go on is that I've never heard anything negative about Taker from people who have worked with him through their interviews . I always hear about how he's the most respected person in the locker room. Flair respects him, as does Hogan, Kurt Angle, HBK, the list goes on and on. I don't think you get that much respect from your peers by sucking up.
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Post by FunkerCM on Dec 23, 2009 20:37:08 GMT -5
Something I think has been missed since Sheamus got his push is that unless I'm mistaken, Vince McMahon himself has Irish heritage which no doubt has influenced him with this experiment.
Despite his work both in and out of the ring, I find it difficult to believe it's without coincidence that Dave Finlay is also so highly thought of when guys like Dean Malenko and Mike Rotunda are still in reasonable shape at a similar age whilst employed as agents.
This isn't a defence of Triple H just another reason why Sheamus is being inflicted on everyone.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Dec 23, 2009 20:56:24 GMT -5
Explain how he got the belt about as fast as Brock Lesnar? Despite very little buildup and not showing any particular reason why he deserves it? You have new guys like MVP, Kofi, Morrison, Swagger...who all have put on a bunch of great matches and have been at least built up to be credible title holders in some capacity, and they can all cut better promos than Sheamus and all have more personality and character. Yet Sheamus gets it? Its like if they gave the belt to Snitsky two months after he debuted. How do you know he hasn't shown anything? He's obviously demonstrated something to a number of veterans and influential decision makers that made them think of the idea of giving him the belt, and Vince had to agree because he didn't veto the idea. I'm going to find my post from another thread on this exact subject, because it really is being blown of all proportion. Listen to what he says in the interview with The Star guys. It's not politicking. The main eventers aren't keeping people down. They just want the young guys to demonstrate they have not only the talent, but the desire to be the future of this business. Sheamus, with HHH's stories of him going the extra mile to learn and turning up to shows he doesn't even have to be at, has that desire. I am saying that he hasn't shown anything onscreen, which is where it counts. Maybe he is great backstage, maybe HHH, Vince, and the road agents all see something in him, sure. Those guys arent buying tickets and PPVs though. A guy like Lesnar got pushed quickly but was pretty much immediately showing how special he was by doing amazing things in the ring and getting crowd reactions. Sheamus has done neither. I dont really care is the guy shows dedication to the business or not if he hasn't entertained me. As a fan, that stuff means nothing to me. I am not even talking politics either. If Sheamus kissed HHHs ass and politicked his way to the belt but was as gifted and entertaining as Lesnar was I would be HAPPY. If MVP or Kofi politicked their way up the ladder it would be a GOOD thing.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Dec 23, 2009 21:17:30 GMT -5
How do you know he hasn't shown anything? He's obviously demonstrated something to a number of veterans and influential decision makers that made them think of the idea of giving him the belt, and Vince had to agree because he didn't veto the idea. I'm going to find my post from another thread on this exact subject, because it really is being blown of all proportion. Listen to what he says in the interview with The Star guys. It's not politicking. The main eventers aren't keeping people down. They just want the young guys to demonstrate they have not only the talent, but the desire to be the future of this business. Sheamus, with HHH's stories of him going the extra mile to learn and turning up to shows he doesn't even have to be at, has that desire. I am saying that he hasn't shown anything onscreen, which is where it counts. Maybe he is great backstage, maybe HHH, Vince, and the road agents all see something in him, sure. Those guys arent buying tickets and PPVs though. A guy like Lesnar got pushed quickly but was pretty much immediately showing how special he was by doing amazing things in the ring and getting crowd reactions. Sheamus has done neither. I dont really care is the guy shows dedication to the business or not if he hasn't entertained me. As a fan, that stuff means nothing to me. I am not even talking politics either. If Sheamus kissed HHHs ass and politicked his way to the belt but was as gifted and entertaining as Lesnar was I would be HAPPY. If MVP or Kofi politicked their way up the ladder it would be a GOOD thing. I know that's what you were saying, and just because Vince et al don't buy tickets - the point is that they know why people buy tickets. It's their business. Vince in particular is a marketing genius, it's why he has been so successful. Marketing is all about identifying a customer's need and satisfying or exceeding their requirements. Vince knows exactly why people come to the arena when he's in town, and he will know whether or not Sheamus has the qualities to be a success. I don't know what Sheamus needs to do for people to stop saying that he 'doesn't get crowd reactions' because he clearly does. And what do you need him to do in the ring for him to show he is good at what he does? He's a power wrestler, he does power moves, and he does them well. And people do react to him.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Dec 23, 2009 21:31:55 GMT -5
I however, had Dec. 23rd as my pick in the pool. Too bad I was the only one in my pool...and I can't pay myself. I just love the total ambiguity of the article.... Editor: "Whaddya got on Sheamus' relationship with Triple H?" Writer #1: "Well...we got a couple of guys saying that Sheamus is a real brown noser." Writer #2: "....but I got a really good source telling me that stuff is overexaggerated." Editor: "So basically we have two relatively different stories about their relationship. Which means that we really don't have a story, but because we put this out there, it will lead to there being a story." Writer #1: "Correct." Editor: "PERFECT! Post that s*** now before someone else beats us to the punch!" you know what makes this better, is if you imagine the editor & 2 writers talking like 1930's reporters
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 23, 2009 21:34:00 GMT -5
I am saying that he hasn't shown anything onscreen, which is where it counts. Maybe he is great backstage, maybe HHH, Vince, and the road agents all see something in him, sure. Those guys arent buying tickets and PPVs though. A guy like Lesnar got pushed quickly but was pretty much immediately showing how special he was by doing amazing things in the ring and getting crowd reactions. Sheamus has done neither. I dont really care is the guy shows dedication to the business or not if he hasn't entertained me. As a fan, that stuff means nothing to me. I am not even talking politics either. If Sheamus kissed HHHs ass and politicked his way to the belt but was as gifted and entertaining as Lesnar was I would be HAPPY. If MVP or Kofi politicked their way up the ladder it would be a GOOD thing. I know that's what you were saying, and just because Vince et al don't buy tickets - the point is that they know why people buy tickets. It's their business. Vince in particular is a marketing genius, it's why he has been so successful. Marketing is all about identifying a customer's need and satisfying or exceeding their requirements. Vince knows exactly why people come to the arena when he's in town, and he will know whether or not Sheamus has the qualities to be a success. I don't know what Sheamus needs to do for people to stop saying that he 'doesn't get crowd reactions' because he clearly does. And what do you need him to do in the ring for him to show he is good at what he does? He's a power wrestler, he does power moves, and he does them well. And people do react to him. I don't think anyone's saying he's not getting a reaction. It's certainly not a large reaction, its about the same reaction any midcard heel would get if they won the WWE Title in by John Cena falling off the top rop, beat up MVP, and played the chicken crap heel. I understand the backstage stuff, a lot of people just don't see what makes him so special onscreen that made them move him to Raw over someone like Zeke or Kozlov, retire a jobber, and then proceed to win the WWE Title. Onscreen, I just think the impact of a big black man, a big Russian guy, or hell even someone like Mike Knox if he was built up better, would have been exactly the same as the Pale Irish Brute. Nothing Sheamus has done so far makes me go "Now THAT'S his thing and only he can do that thing", beating up and retiring Jamie freaking Noble is something any hoss could have done onscreen, manhandle Finlay was something any hoss could have done onscreen, put Mark Cuban through a table was something any hoss could have done onscreen. All his accomplishments are things any hoss could have done, and people are just scratching their heads why this one is different onscreen, since TV/live crowds count the most (after who's backing you), than Snitsky or Kozlov. Did I mention ONSCREEN yet?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Dec 23, 2009 21:34:21 GMT -5
I am saying that he hasn't shown anything onscreen, which is where it counts. Maybe he is great backstage, maybe HHH, Vince, and the road agents all see something in him, sure. Those guys arent buying tickets and PPVs though. A guy like Lesnar got pushed quickly but was pretty much immediately showing how special he was by doing amazing things in the ring and getting crowd reactions. Sheamus has done neither. I dont really care is the guy shows dedication to the business or not if he hasn't entertained me. As a fan, that stuff means nothing to me. I am not even talking politics either. If Sheamus kissed HHHs ass and politicked his way to the belt but was as gifted and entertaining as Lesnar was I would be HAPPY. If MVP or Kofi politicked their way up the ladder it would be a GOOD thing. I know that's what you were saying, and just because Vince et al don't buy tickets - the point is that they know why people buy tickets. It's their business. Vince in particular is a marketing genius, it's why he has been so successful. Marketing is all about identifying a customer's need and satisfying or exceeding their requirements. Vince knows exactly why people come to the arena when he's in town, and he will know whether or not Sheamus has the qualities to be a success. I don't know what Sheamus needs to do for people to stop saying that he 'doesn't get crowd reactions' because he clearly does. And what do you need him to do in the ring for him to show he is good at what he does? He's a power wrestler, he does power moves, and he does them well. And people do react to him. Just because Vince knows the business doesn't mean he is infallible. He was almost put out of business by Bischoff and WCW. I haven't seen Sheamus get any main event heel level reactions. I know the stock answer is to give him time but the guy holding the WWE Title should be ready, he should be getting intense heat and putting on great matches. Especially since every excuse for any capable midcard guy I have ever wanted to see win the title, be it Christian, Umaga, MVP, or Morrison is that they arent ready and dont get enough reactions. Sheamus isnt and doesn't...yet I am supposed to accept it because HHH and Vince think he is ready. I dont think so. I would love to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 23, 2009 22:51:38 GMT -5
"Some people think Sheamus sucks up to Triple H, and some don't. Sheamus also trains with Triple H, a fact we know because Triple H said it in a widely quoted interview last month."
Quality journalism right there, people.
Anyhow, this is clearly another of THE KLIQ's dastardly plans to ruin WWE forever and deprive us of the next golden age of professional wrestling that's certain to start when Brian Danielson vs. Shelton Benjamin main events Wrestlemania.
After all, as we know, Triple H always gives his friends a world title a couple months after they get called up onto the roster.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Dec 23, 2009 23:02:40 GMT -5
How do you know he hasn't shown anything? He's obviously demonstrated something to a number of veterans and influential decision makers that made them think of the idea of giving him the belt, and Vince had to agree because he didn't veto the idea. I'm going to find my post from another thread on this exact subject, because it really is being blown of all proportion. Listen to what he says in the interview with The Star guys. It's not politicking. The main eventers aren't keeping people down. They just want the young guys to demonstrate they have not only the talent, but the desire to be the future of this business. Sheamus, with HHH's stories of him going the extra mile to learn and turning up to shows he doesn't even have to be at, has that desire. I am saying that he hasn't shown anything onscreen, which is where it counts. Maybe he is great backstage, maybe HHH, Vince, and the road agents all see something in him, sure. Those guys arent buying tickets and PPVs though. A guy like Lesnar got pushed quickly but was pretty much immediately showing how special he was by doing amazing things in the ring and getting crowd reactions. Sheamus has done neither. I dont really care is the guy shows dedication to the business or not if he hasn't entertained me. As a fan, that stuff means nothing to me. I am not even talking politics either. If Sheamus kissed HHHs ass and politicked his way to the belt but was as gifted and entertaining as Lesnar was I would be HAPPY. If MVP or Kofi politicked their way up the ladder it would be a GOOD thing. Brilliantly said, IMO. I'm on the fence with all this Sheamus stuff, but I believe that 100 %.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 23, 2009 23:22:59 GMT -5
I however, had Dec. 23rd as my pick in the pool. Too bad I was the only one in my pool...and I can't pay myself. If you wouldn't pee in the pool, others mighta joined ya, oh incontinent one.
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Post by Mac on Dec 23, 2009 23:36:07 GMT -5
It'd be naive to think the main reason someone gets pushed in the WWE is anything other than politics.
They could have put the title on any number of guys, guys who have been around longer. Cena could have accidentally fell through a table wrestling anyone. No big shock theres word out on the streets Triple H is high on Sheamus and then he gets a rather ssuprising title win.
The fans were clammoring for change at the top of the card. Theres a lot of guys who have put in a lot of work and built up some seblence of fan loyalty that with even a minor tweak in their push could have been legit contenders.
Sheamus meanwhile wins the title as if Cena violated wellness and had just happened to be fueding with him at the time. It was rushed and with little if any fanfair.
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Post by bob on Dec 23, 2009 23:43:35 GMT -5
Source: The Pro Wrestling Torch
There are mixed feelings on WWE champion Sheamus among those in the company.
Some feel as though his friendship with Triple H has been blown out of proportion, while others accuse him of being a shameless suck-up to him. It should be noted that he trains with Trips while on the road. This really really angers me, and I haven't even been keeping up with the WWE on a regular basis since April or May of this year. I've been reading forever about how WWE uses the same 3 or 4 guys in the main event every week, and now they finally put the title on someone new and has him ease his way into the Main Event scene, yet people seem to find ridiculous excuses why he isn't a "worthy" champion. This excuse that his relationship with Triple H is why he is champion is one of the most idiotic things I've read from wrestling reporters and/or fans in a while. my only really problem with him being champ is that he wasn't eased into the main event pictures at all he had a feud with Shelton in ECW went to Raw retired Jamie Noble and beat up jobbers...then out of the blue beats Cena for the title even JBL was build up more before his title reign
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 23, 2009 23:58:55 GMT -5
I am saying that he hasn't shown anything onscreen, which is where it counts. Maybe he is great backstage, maybe HHH, Vince, and the road agents all see something in him, sure. Those guys arent buying tickets and PPVs though. A guy like Lesnar got pushed quickly but was pretty much immediately showing how special he was by doing amazing things in the ring and getting crowd reactions. Sheamus has done neither. I dont really care is the guy shows dedication to the business or not if he hasn't entertained me. As a fan, that stuff means nothing to me. I am not even talking politics either. If Sheamus kissed HHHs ass and politicked his way to the belt but was as gifted and entertaining as Lesnar was I would be HAPPY. If MVP or Kofi politicked their way up the ladder it would be a GOOD thing. I know that's what you were saying, and just because Vince et al don't buy tickets - the point is that they know why people buy tickets. It's their business. Vince in particular is a marketing genius, it's why he has been so successful. Marketing is all about identifying a customer's need and satisfying or exceeding their requirements. Vince knows exactly why people come to the arena when he's in town, and he will know whether or not Sheamus has the qualities to be a success. Dude, if that was true, the business wouldn't have been in a down swing for the last 7 years.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 24, 2009 0:06:02 GMT -5
How is this even being debated? It was obvious the moment Sheamus moved to Raw that he was a favored son. I'm just surprised he hasn't joined DX and kayfabe* married Triple H yet.
*Though they'd still manage to shoot on each other. Hey-o!
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Post by Big L on Dec 24, 2009 0:28:42 GMT -5
yes he is
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Post by Clarence "Showstealer" Mason on Dec 24, 2009 0:45:14 GMT -5
So what if he is? ANYTHING is better than John f***ing Cena overcoming the odds month after month
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Post by Tombi on Dec 24, 2009 1:14:21 GMT -5
I know that's what you were saying, and just because Vince et al don't buy tickets - the point is that they know why people buy tickets. It's their business. Vince in particular is a marketing genius, it's why he has been so successful. Marketing is all about identifying a customer's need and satisfying or exceeding their requirements. Vince knows exactly why people come to the arena when he's in town, and he will know whether or not Sheamus has the qualities to be a success. Dude, if that was true, the business wouldn't have been in a down swing for the last 7 years. Wrestling wasn't going to stay popular forever. It was a fad, plain and simple - it may have been fun to watch for a while but people naturally got tired of it after a few years, just like they did for the Jerry Springer show and all the other 90s icons. I'm not denying a few wrong turns were made, but business simply went back to normal and it would have no matter what; through no fault of Vince. As for Sheamus, I'm gonna be honest - I just like the guy. Sure his run is a bit rushed, but any picky qualms I have with the execution of it are quite minimized due to the fact that I'm happy to see both something new in the title picture and someone who I've seen rise up from the old 3am TWC broadcasts of Irish Whip Wrestling into a world champion on the top stage. In theory that's served as something of a buildup for me personally, but I know others don't see it the same way. I just suggest waiting a few more weeks to see what they do with him and if the true "star" in Sheamus slowly emerges akin to JBL.
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