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Post by corndog on Dec 28, 2009 1:27:45 GMT -5
I don't think it should happen, but if it does it certainly doesn't need to be Cena. One, Cena is already established and two the 10-25% of the crowd that hates him will increase by double(and this will be legitimate heat that might cause people to give up on the WWE for catering so hard for a guy that really isn't that good of wrestler and not over like their top star should be, such as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Sammartino, Backlund and heck even Bret Hart in his heyday). If it ends I would love it to be like Flair/Micheals at WM where UT will have to retire if he loses, but I say make it a young heel or heck even Micheals, since they have a history and have put on legendary matches against each other.
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Post by American Dragon on Dec 28, 2009 1:35:42 GMT -5
(and this will be legitimate heat that might cause people to give up on the WWE for catering so hard for a guy that really isn't that good of wrestler and not over like their top star should be, such as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Sammartino, Backlund and heck even Bret Hart in his heyday) But when is the last time WWE fans actually cared about how good a wrestler is in the ring? Cena holds his own in the ring and is by no means a "bad" wrestler, and he certainly makes up for it outside of the ring. Also, I don't get what you're trying to say about how he isn't over like their top star should be, popularity wise, Cena is up there with Austin, Hogan and Rock.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 28, 2009 1:57:05 GMT -5
I would be okay with him beating Undertaker, to be honest. It'd be a ballsy move on their part, and it could lead to a lot of avenues, like HBK gunning for Cena, saying it should of been him.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 28, 2009 2:01:54 GMT -5
I don't think it should happen, but if it does it certainly doesn't need to be Cena. One, Cena is already established and two the 10-25% of the crowd that hates him will increase by double(and this will be legitimate heat that might cause people to give up on the WWE for catering so hard for a guy that really isn't that good of wrestler and not over like their top star should be, such as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Sammartino, Backlund and heck even Bret Hart in his heyday). Oh yeah, this is the main thing. If Cena ends The Undertaker's streak...he will be hated. Not the "OMG U SUK HE ONLY UZES 5 MOVES!11!!1 KIDZ AND WOMEN PG SUX", but the "I truly hate this man and everyone involved in that match" hate. And if you keep him a face...that's going to backfire and catch fire very fast. The F you Cena Hammerstien Ballroom stuff would be nothing compared to the chants and frenzy from a group of fans if John Cena ended the streak, and went back to squashing everyone as a cookie cutter face. If it was someone like Miz, that would just be the icing on the cake. Not saying it would ever happen nor should it, but The Miz would be slime, the crowds would get rowdy and probably throw some crap at him, and I can imagine he would just embrace it, stand there, and chant he's awesome over and over.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 28, 2009 6:16:55 GMT -5
No because it would do more harm than good. Cena haters would hate him more and Taker fans would now hate him. Cena's already had his passing the torch moment, two in fact, when he beat both HHH and HBK at Mania. That was his Andre/Hogan, Backlund/Bret, or Hogan/Rock. Most wrestlers get one, he's already had two. Plus making Sabu tap, making Benoit submit in 7 minutes, and beating Mark Henry in an armwrestling contest, but I digress.
It would only be worthwhile if they were turning him heel, but even then, there are other better ways to do that.
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Post by A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto) on Dec 28, 2009 6:31:56 GMT -5
This is gonna be shallow, and this could even get me hatred, but here it goes: If Undertaker loses at Wrestlemania, to Cena it's the day I stop watching. Fixed for me. Actually if he loses at Mania to anybody in the wrestling business nowadays, it would have that same affect. Cena IMO doesn't deserve that honor, if Flair, HBK, or HHH didn't beat him and furthermore he doesn't need it. I mean what would that even accomplish? If that happened, I'd have to give a big middle finger to Vince and the entire WWE forever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2009 6:39:31 GMT -5
Taker could easily put a guy over without losing to him, they would just need a 5-star match, and then boom, the other guy gets respect in the business.
Also, what if they had a draw? Say a 3-3 iron man match, you don't tarnish the legacy, and the other guy gets put over. Taker would still be undefeated.
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Post by Shazam on Dec 28, 2009 6:59:43 GMT -5
Well, I'm sure some of the sentiments have been echoed already but...
A)There is no reason for Taker to lose. Period. And not even a draw. It's something about the Undertaker that he gets to take into forever. There is nobody worthy of defeating him, even if Hulk Hogan was in his prime. It's something special, and there's no reason to waste it on anyone.
B)With that said, the old saying in wrestling "You always go out on your back", more than likely, Taker will retire after losing at Wrestlemania, quite possibly this year, if not this year, certainly next year. If there's one guy you put over, it's CM Punk. Punk is pretty much the closest thing to "wellness policy" proof, he's not a complete jackass backstage, and he's already got a decent resume to allow such a thing to happen. I understand he has the nuclear heatz every other week, but he's the only guy on the roster that makes sense. Shaemus will be gone in a year or two (sad to say). Nobody with that accent lasts for long on top. (Yes, that's a mildly racist comment, I'm not saying I'm happy about it, but it's the truth in Titan Town). Cena doesn't need the rub, and Triple H just wouldn't do it.
To expound on Cena, what would it add to his character? That he can beat the odds? I'm pretty sure we know that already. Adding it to Punk would add a dimension that he can hang with the main eventers legitimately (assuming he wins clean, which if you're going to do it, it should be that way). Cena just has another forgettable match and ruins a legacy in wrestling history in the process.
So, no, I like John, but he should stick to fighting people he can yell at.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Dec 28, 2009 8:47:51 GMT -5
Punk doesn't even deserve to be in a Mania match with Taker at this point, much less be the one to end the streak IMO and I love Punk.
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Post by Big L on Dec 28, 2009 9:44:51 GMT -5
ummm no I wouldn't say he deserves to be him
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Post by Mr. Emoticon Man, TF Fan on Dec 28, 2009 10:34:29 GMT -5
I don't see why people think losing would cause Taker to be remembered only for one loss rather than the streak. Goldberg had a streak and lost, and he's still remembered for his streak; Taker would be, too.
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Post by firestorhm on Dec 28, 2009 12:25:45 GMT -5
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Post by Shazam on Dec 28, 2009 12:48:11 GMT -5
Punk doesn't even deserve to be in a Mania match with Taker at this point, much less be the one to end the streak IMO and I love Punk. Well, funny, to be honest, I'm not a big CM Punk fan myself. But of the people on the roster, I think the person that topples Taker (if they do, because frankly, I still hold the opinion no one should), should be somebody who needs an extra push and an extra rub for doing so, not somebody who's resume is already full. So, from the perspective of "deserves it", that's not really the focus as much as who would most benefit from it. And with Punk, he would benefit from it more so than anyone else on the roster because he at least has enough credentials to be considered for even the idea (i.e. not a rookie, and he is a former champ), and as stated before, he has the mindset of being a long term guy in WWE. But, yes, I will state again nobody truly "deserves" it. :-)
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Post by barley96 on Dec 28, 2009 13:03:33 GMT -5
I think the streak has potential to make money after The Undertaker's retirement, such as a DVD of his Wrestlemania matches. As far as somebody beating him, if it has to happen it should not be John Cena. Itshould be somebody who could benefit from it. John Cena is way over with the crowd. Somebody like Jack Swagger deserves to beat The Undertaker so he can be more over with the crowd.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 28, 2009 13:26:17 GMT -5
I think the streak has potential to make money after The Undertaker's retirement, such as a DVD of his Wrestlemania matches. As far as somebody beating him, if it has to happen it should not be John Cena. Itshould be somebody who could benefit from it. John Cena is way over with the crowd. Somebody like Jack Swagger deserves to beat The Undertaker so he can be more over with the crowd. They've already released a dvd with his Mania matches. There's no way he's going to be around long enough for it to be worthwhile to release and updated version. But this WWE so who knows? Maybe they would milk it. CM Punk is the best choice mentioned. He would gain the most since he's still pretty young and new to the main event scene. But I still wouldn't do it. Punk has one 2 mitb, ECW title, 2 World Champion titles and retired Jeff Hardy. His resume is already impressive enough to warrant his main event spot. This is why I'm an advocate of DX vs BOD for Mania. There's no appealing one on one matches left for Taker.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Dec 28, 2009 13:33:45 GMT -5
I don't think it should happen, but if it does it certainly doesn't need to be Cena. One, Cena is already established and two the 10-25% of the crowd that hates him will increase by double(and this will be legitimate heat that might cause people to give up on the WWE for catering so hard for a guy that really isn't that good of wrestler and not over like their top star should be, such as Hogan, Rock, Austin, Sammartino, Backlund and heck even Bret Hart in his heyday). Oh yeah, this is the main thing. If Cena ends The Undertaker's streak...he will be hated. Not the "OMG U SUK HE ONLY UZES 5 MOVES!11!!1 KIDZ AND WOMEN PG SUX", but the "I truly hate this man and everyone involved in that match" hate. And if you keep him a face...that's going to backfire and catch fire very fast. The F you Cena Hammerstien Ballroom stuff would be nothing compared to the chants and frenzy from a group of fans if John Cena ended the streak, and went back to squashing everyone as a cookie cutter face. If it was someone like Miz, that would just be the icing on the cake. Not saying it would ever happen nor should it, but The Miz would be slime, the crowds would get rowdy and probably throw some crap at him, and I can imagine he would just embrace it, stand there, and chant he's awesome over and over. I'd go so far as to say that he would get physically attacked by fans. The Jericho incident would pale in comparison.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 28, 2009 13:36:58 GMT -5
I don't see why people think losing would cause Taker to be remembered only for one loss rather than the streak. Goldberg had a streak and lost, and he's still remembered for his streak; Taker would be, too. Exactly. I honestly have a serious issue with Undertaker's character and his winning streak. Why should he be the only veteran exempt from putting over a younger talent on his way out the door? That's pretty much the rule in pro wrestling, and most veterans who refuse usually take a bunch of flack for it. I just don't get why the same shouldn't be expected of Undertaker.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 28, 2009 13:40:29 GMT -5
Does Taker deserve to be the only star never to job at Mania? I personally would say hell no. Cena is over enough to get the rub, and the heel heat generated could lend to further money drawing opportunity. Taker's image as a bearer of tradition and such would be exposed as BS if he never gives back to the business and puts someone over at Mania. Like the previous era did for him.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 28, 2009 13:43:12 GMT -5
I think the streak has potential to make money after The Undertaker's retirement, such as a DVD of his Wrestlemania matches. As far as somebody beating him, if it has to happen it should not be John Cena. Itshould be somebody who could benefit from it. John Cena is way over with the crowd. Somebody like Jack Swagger deserves to beat The Undertaker so he can be more over with the crowd. There is already a DVD. You think a re-release with 4-5 more matches would sell?
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Dec 28, 2009 13:46:30 GMT -5
Who's to say Taker ISN'T willing to job at Wrestlemania? Maybe it's the higher ups decision.
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