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Post by don on Dec 23, 2009 22:47:54 GMT -5
I've been seeing a lot of posts about why Sheamus should not be champion. The main arguments usually come in the form of: He is still too new and he can't have the quality of matches of guys like Kofi, Christian, and MVP.
For the most part, I agree with this. The part that I don't agree with this is MVP. Where are his supposed great matches? I can't think of any with anyone other than Chris Benoit (who it was damn near impossible to have a bad match with.) His interview skills are okay, but not great. He is like the Rock, minus having the crowd in the palm of his hand. His interviews are blah blah blah catchphrase, blah blah catchchphase. His moveset is more generic than John Cena's, who is constantly raked over the coals for his "terrible" moveset. I think people have been blinded by his Megastar entrance theme and his cool original Megastar entrance (with the funnel). In my humble opinion, everything about MVP from the opening bell to the closing bell screams "average at best." What is it that I am missing about MVP that everyone else seems to see?
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Post by hbk4ever09 on Dec 23, 2009 22:52:34 GMT -5
I'm not really a fan, though i think he can be an okay midcarder. I had stopped watching in like 06/07 so i didn't see his first few years and all, but he's just as you said, he's boring and ordinary. In-ring he's a noticeable notch too slow and telegraphs a lot of his and his opponents moves. His recent PPV matches with Swagger were awful, and judging by how well Swagger has looked lately, i'm not sure how much of the blame is on MVP.
They're not even making him a threat as a midcarder anymore really though. He's barely ever on TV anymore, and getting squashed, even by SHEAMUS, isn't helping him at all. He's been replaced by Evan 'friggin Bourne!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2009 0:31:39 GMT -5
MVP has done better than fine
He got over great as the cocky heel and got to the same level as a face thanks to the losing streak and Sherri Shepard
If you can find it(I could'nt)
Find MVP vs. Randy Orton the night after the draft and see how the crowd loves him
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Post by Porter on Dec 24, 2009 0:51:07 GMT -5
I've been seeing a lot of posts about why Sheamus should not be champion. The main arguments usually come in the form of: He is still too new and he can't have the quality of matches of guys like Kofi, Christian, and MVP. For the most part, I agree with this. The part that I don't agree with this is MVP. Where are his supposed great matches? I can't think of any with anyone other than Chris Benoit (who it was damn near impossible to have a bad match with.) His interview skills are okay, but not great. He is like the Rock, minus having the crowd in the palm of his hand. His interviews are blah blah blah catchphrase, blah blah catchchphase. His moveset is more generic than John Cena's, who is constantly raked over the coals for his "terrible" moveset. I think people have been blinded by his Megastar entrance theme and his cool original Megastar entrance (with the funnel). In my humble opinion, everything about MVP from the opening bell to the closing bell screams "average at best." What is it that I am missing about MVP that everyone else seems to see? IMO these are some good matches outside of Benoit... Vs Kofi on Raw(U.S. Title match) Vs Shelton on Smackdown(U.S. Title match) Vs Matt Hardy(Any match they had in 2007&2008.Great American Bash,Backlash,ECW etc) Vs Punk(ECW) Vs Rey Mysterio(Late 2007 in England on Smackdown&Armageddon) Vs Jeff Hardy(2008 Summerslam) After he turned face he had some alright matches with Chavo but not a lot of time from what I remember.The last man standing match vs Big Show was decent. He had a match with Cody the week after he debuted on Raw but it was short. His match with Miz at MSG was short too.So was his matches with Swagger on Raw and recently Sheamus. You ever watched his VIP Lounge segment with Flair? His interview at Survivor Series 2007? His promo with JBL the week after he attacked Matt? His booking just sucks now.In 2007 he got more mic time,wasn't losing quickly and actually had a feud. And plus his personality got diluted since he's face. He's now a smiling and humbled ex-con instead of a high paid jerk with a better than you attitude. He's barely ever on TV anymore He wrestled Swagger for two straight weeks on Superstars.That's why he wasn't seen much on Raw. But even before he was wrestling on Superstars it's not like he got a lot of time on Raw. |
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Post by coolkevthedude on Dec 24, 2009 7:58:50 GMT -5
MVP and Mark Henry were a tag team, but I dont know what happened to that. Especially because there aren't many tag teams in WWE. They could be new Men on a Mission. lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2009 11:41:39 GMT -5
MVP and Mark Henry were a tag team, but I dont know what happened to that. Especially because there aren't many tag teams in WWE. They could be new Men on a Mission. lol Well, you got "Montel" and "Mark". All you need is an "O" guy to manage. |
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Post by don on Dec 24, 2009 12:30:11 GMT -5
I may be in the minority, but none of those matches really did anything for me (with the exception of the US title match with Kofi; i can't believe I forgot about that one.) I just can't really get behind MVP as I don't think he's as good as others on here seem to think he is. He did have a wonderful feud with Matt Hardy, but neither of them is what made that feud great. The writing made it great, with two guys who didn't like one another trying to prove which one was better. They barely ever touched in that feud as opposed to now where two feuding people will fight in a variety of tag and handicap matches. MVP is just not that good, IMO, and I would love it if someone could sell me on him.
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Post by machomadness on Dec 24, 2009 12:48:34 GMT -5
I remember an interview with him about 18 months ago where he basically admitted that Kofi was a far better talent than he is and that Kofi was the future. He comes across as a humble and likeable person. I think he's aware of his limitations.
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 24, 2009 14:02:46 GMT -5
I've always thought he was ok in the ring, but he is one of the most charismatic guys in the WWE and they're crazy for not utilizing him better.
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Post by S-Chrome on Dec 24, 2009 16:51:01 GMT -5
If WWE was so adamant about pushing new talent into the forefront, they would've built MVP toward the main event the moment he was drafted to RAW. Yes, he ain't a ring general by any stretch and most of his matches are forgetable, but he can definitely work a crowd with the best of them and for the most part is over.
Of course, I'm pretty much an MVP mark, but I definitely think he can be a main event talent and there's still some time for him and WWE Creative to work toward that.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Dec 24, 2009 16:53:37 GMT -5
He use to have great matches.
Ever since faceturn/RAW, he isn't alllowed to.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Dec 24, 2009 23:56:24 GMT -5
MVP has a few select problem that he has to overcome:
1) He is not a ring general by any means. He isn't clueless, mind you, because he can be led through a good, or even great match, but he cannot do the leading himself. When he was a heel, that was not as big a deal since there were several faces that can lead him to a good match (Benoit, Hardy, Finlay, Kane, Shelton, etc.). As a face there are fewer heels that can do that for him. There is Orton (who is booked as a world-beater), Chavo (who can only do so much for a person), and Big Show (who merely smacks you around until the best time for a comeback). Anyone else is just as green as MVP (and he IS still fairly green).
2) He is on Raw. Seriously, not only can the writers for Raw only focus on DX, Cena, and one other primary face (who at this time is Kofi). His wings have been clipped since moving to Raw, and in all honesty there is no real reason for that other than incompetence and/or creative laziness/booking favoritism.
3) He is still a little green. Think of the real ring generals. Most, like HHH, HBK, Jericho, Kane, Hardy, Taker, Finlay, etc., have more than a decade of big league experience. Even Punk had quite a bit of top end indie work. MVP, like many others, does not have this.
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Post by Krimzon on Dec 25, 2009 0:04:00 GMT -5
It still baffles me how they could screw up what could've been a big feud with Orton. That one night on RAW made MVP credible. Then...nothing. MVP's run on SmackDown! was really strong. He really got into his character and had some solid matches with guys like Matt, Kane, & Mysterio. They never should've turned him face. He seems MUCH more comfortable in the role of a heel, and his VIP Lounge opening lines were awesome then. Add in that he did all that with a heart condition and it makes it even more (half man, half) amazing. The Modern-Day Mac HAS to return!
Triple H, HBK, & Cena have to retire sometime...
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Dec 25, 2009 0:27:12 GMT -5
Another point that should be mentioned is that MVP can't tour with WWE in certain countries because of his criminal record.
That's the sort of practical consideration that can contribute to WWE not pushing him too heavily as one of their major stars.
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Post by "Dashing" Dr.VonPhoenix on Dec 25, 2009 16:21:33 GMT -5
Another point that should be mentioned is that MVP can't tour with WWE in certain countries because of his criminal record. That's the sort of practical consideration that can contribute to WWE not pushing him too heavily as one of their major stars. Hmm... maybe this could be built into an angle where MVP tries to infiltrate Japan disguised as a whale. Or dolphin. Smell the buyrates. "f*** YOU MVP!!!" ;D |
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