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Post by Rorschach on Jan 15, 2010 3:24:52 GMT -5
One thing about Jay in all this, he was trying hard the first few days to look like a victim, and I think that hurt him badly. He was getting a good deal, but he was talking s*** about NBC and how he was fired and all this. He wasn't fired, he was pretty much promoted and people knew it. Had he just come out and said "hey stuff is going on, I don't like how it is happening but I plan to continue doing my job" he'd have way more public sympathy right now. As it stands many of his fans can't stand him right now. I agree. Had he copped to his role in it, instead of (and again, the comparison is valid) pulling a Hogan and going "I had no role in it, Brother! Vince Zucker is MAKING me take that slot back, Hitman Conan! I swear, DUDE!" he'd look a lot better right now. As it is, even those who LIKE and support him have to admit he's been a backstabbing, two faced asshole in this WHOLE thing.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 15, 2010 4:24:17 GMT -5
For most people, that's par for the course. I love how Kimmell stomped Jay, though. That took balls, especially to do that on Jay's own show. He didn't stomp him, he CASTRATED him, goddamn that was brutal! Just watched it on Youtube......what else was Kimmel supposed to do with those banal questions? It was AWESOME.
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Post by Cyborg Franky on Jan 15, 2010 4:49:33 GMT -5
Kimmel murder Leno 2 times over during that segment. After Coco leaves NBC, I'll be watching Craig until Conan's new show whenever it comes.
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Jan 15, 2010 5:25:28 GMT -5
It's a shame that Letterman can't have Conan on as a regular until his Fox show gets off the ground (since that won't be ready until June at the earliest, barring any funky contract shenanigans). Hell, it'd be hilarious if, on the first night of Jay Leno's Tonight Show II, Conan hosted The Late Show from 11:35 to 12:05.
I'm just hoping that the whole gang stays together. It's been a long time coming getting Andy to come back (and he finally got back on the damn couch), and it would be awful to either lose him, the Max Weinberg 7 (now 8, actually), or any of the writers, performers, and staff members. But Conan will be in a tough spot: Does he move everyone back to the East Coast or just stay put in California?
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jan 15, 2010 5:30:11 GMT -5
Keep everyone in LA.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 15, 2010 5:43:40 GMT -5
It's a shame that Letterman can't have Conan on as a regular until his Fox show gets off the ground (since that won't be ready until June at the earliest, barring any funky contract shenanigans). Hell, it'd be hilarious if, on the first night of Jay Leno's Tonight Show II, Conan hosted The Late Show from 11:35 to 12:05. I'm just hoping that the whole gang stays together. It's been a long time coming getting Andy to come back (and he finally got back on the damn couch), and it would be awful to either lose him, the Max Weinberg 7 (now 8, actually), or any of the writers, performers, and staff members. But Conan will be in a tough spot: Does he move everyone back to the East Coast or just stay put in California? When Paul got fired from NBC and Letterman left with him, they pretty much took the entire crew. Of course, Letterman insisted the show stay in New York. Which is what you can do when you're getting your own show, custom made for you, you can make some demands.
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Post by dsriggs on Jan 15, 2010 6:03:29 GMT -5
So the Tonight Show's ratings were not up to where NBC wanted them to be, so they announced thay were considering moving the show past midnight. However, the host was not in favor of this idea, and told NBC that if they decided to move the Tonight Show, or give the show to somebody else, he'd leave the network. ...wait, you think I was talking about this? I was talking about 1992!!! www.nytimes.com/1992/12/23/arts/jay-leno-criticizes-nbc-on-tonight-cliffhanger.html?pagewanted=1
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 15, 2010 6:26:04 GMT -5
But see, people will have to be careful, or else Leno will become "poor Jay" who's just being picked on for what big bad NBC did. Conan/Kimmell/Craig/Letterman can't go making him into a victim....they have to pace themselves. If they route and brutalize him too badly, people will get sympathetic towards that pelican faced backstabber, and rally round him. I don't think that Jay can really get the public to view him as the victim. He and NBC already pissed off a lot of people with him getting 5 hours of primetime every week. That already got him on the bad side of quite a few people. This has done him no favors. I don't see too much of the public gaining sympathy for Jay. He was given 5 hours, which got a lot of shows canceled, and a lot of shows had to fight to stay on the air, and his show flopped big time. And not all of the canceled shows were able to find other networks, like Southland and Medium did. Of course with his show flopping, that means that Chuck (which is a show that almost got canceled for Leno) should be able to get a full season. Which is, awesome.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Jan 15, 2010 6:30:50 GMT -5
this hole thing is like when they have an arc in a comic book that spreads acroos the whole universe an you hve tp get multiple titles in order to get the full story.
you miss one night of programming from 4 shows and miss out on a shit load of jokes
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 15, 2010 7:40:31 GMT -5
It's a shame that Letterman can't have Conan on as a regular until his Fox show gets off the ground (since that won't be ready until June at the earliest, barring any funky contract shenanigans). Hell, it'd be hilarious if, on the first night of Jay Leno's Tonight Show II, Conan hosted The Late Show from 11:35 to 12:05. I'm just hoping that the whole gang stays together. It's been a long time coming getting Andy to come back (and he finally got back on the damn couch), and it would be awful to either lose him, the Max Weinberg 7 (now 8, actually), or any of the writers, performers, and staff members. But Conan will be in a tough spot: Does he move everyone back to the East Coast or just stay put in California? When Paul got fired from NBC and Letterman left with him, they pretty much took the entire crew. Of course, Letterman insisted the show stay in New York. Which is what you can do when you're getting your own show, custom made for you, you can make some demands. Yup, but I'm not sure Conan will move back to New York. Granted he has roots there, but Conan just spent several million build a house in California. Not to mention, his staff and employees who had to uproot from NY to LA. Now dailybeast.com is reporting it's basically a done deal with Conan leaving NBC for a giant sum of money and he'll be able to appear anywhere before his contract expires. I can't help but wonder about Robert Smigel, voice of triumph the insult comic dog and SNL writer. Does he stay on SNL? I can't imagine NBC would let him appear over on Fox, but I'm not sure.
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Post by default on Jan 15, 2010 8:16:26 GMT -5
So the Tonight Show's ratings were not up to where NBC wanted them to be, so they announced thay were considering moving the show past midnight. However, the host was not in favor of this idea, and told NBC that if they decided to move the Tonight Show, or give the show to somebody else, he'd leave the network. ...wait, you think I was talking about this? I was talking about 1992!!! www.nytimes.com/1992/12/23/arts/jay-leno-criticizes-nbc-on-tonight-cliffhanger.html?pagewanted=1lol. I love how Leno said he wouldn't switch shows and go after Letterman, despite respecting him and blah blah blah. Then he goes onto talk about comedy shows and says about how he used to ask to go on after Richard Pryor.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 15, 2010 9:34:18 GMT -5
In response to Dick Ebersol:
1. You don't know comedy, you nearly killed Saturday Night Live.
2. You know as well as the rest of us that this isn't about Conan's ratings. The network did not expect him to beat Dave so early, and the contract Conan signed stipulated that he couldn't be fired due to ratings. So if that's the case, he has a pretty good lawsuit.
3. The same day NBC sent out a press release bragging about Conan's ratings. At least you guys could get a narrative together.
4. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT "YOU'RE SO VAIN" WAS ABOUT!
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Post by Bauertainments on Jan 15, 2010 11:16:17 GMT -5
It's a shame WWE is affiliated with NBC (via USA Network), Conan would be a great guest host for sweeps.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 15, 2010 11:26:52 GMT -5
Wow I just read that as well... all I can say is that I hope Leno fails big time.... BIG TIME. NBC just made a huge mistake. YEah going with the guy who much better ratings in the 11:35pm time slot is a big mistake.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 15, 2010 11:31:06 GMT -5
found this on perez. i giggled.
After getting the shaft from NBC to make room for The Jay Leno Show, Ben McKenzie from the show Southland, couldn't help but crack a smile to the news that Jay's show is getting the same swift kick in the ass.
Though he says Leno is a "great guy," he adds : "I'm glad it failed. Things have worked out in a good way."
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 15, 2010 11:45:55 GMT -5
I just watched the video of Kimmel on Leno and I can't believe I ever hated Jimmy. Does anyone know what time his show is on? I mean I gained so much respect for him after watching that video. I think he said it best when he said the last thing about leaving the shows alone. I have no respect for Leno whatsoever and people are saying he's not the bad guy? I haven't seen him come out and publicly say that he doesn't want the switch and to screw conan over. As I said earlier, I hope Leno's rating go so far down that he becomes the biggest laughing stock of all of late night. He's selfish and deserves nothing but a foot up the ass from Red Foreman. Now why would anyone in Leno's position not take the switch? Especially after he recieved a big deal to comeback to do TV when NBC begged him and then NBC turns right around and cancelled him after just 4 months? Jay is going to get what he can out of NBC for dragging him down into their mess with Conan. Now lets say the Jay doesn't take it; NBC is going to get rid of Conan anyway. That is the point all Conan defenders miss. NBC wants Conan out whether Jay took it or not. The Tonight SHow ratings took a svere nosedive from when Jay handed the show over. Conan fans are in denial. And of course, Jay isn't going to just sit there and take shots from everywhere. He is going to fight back. Jay isn't a victim, but he isn't to blame for this mess either. NBC gets all the balem and they are solely responsible for a mess that they created.
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Post by Cyborg Franky on Jan 15, 2010 12:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by vacillatingfan on Jan 15, 2010 12:41:35 GMT -5
I just watched the video of Kimmel on Leno and I can't believe I ever hated Jimmy. Does anyone know what time his show is on? I mean I gained so much respect for him after watching that video. I think he said it best when he said the last thing about leaving the shows alone. I have no respect for Leno whatsoever and people are saying he's not the bad guy? I haven't seen him come out and publicly say that he doesn't want the switch and to screw conan over. As I said earlier, I hope Leno's rating go so far down that he becomes the biggest laughing stock of all of late night. He's selfish and deserves nothing but a foot up the ass from Red Foreman. Now why would anyone in Leno's position not take the switch? Especially after he recieved a big deal to comeback to do TV when NBC begged him and then NBC turns right around and cancelled him after just 4 months? Jay is going to get what he can out of NBC for dragging him down into their mess with Conan. Now lets say the Jay doesn't take it; NBC is going to get rid of Conan anyway. That is the point all Conan defenders miss. NBC wants Conan out whether Jay took it or not. The Tonight SHow ratings took a svere nosedive from when Jay handed the show over. Conan fans are in denial. And of course, Jay isn't going to just sit there and take shots from everywhere. He is going to fight back. Jay isn't a victim, but he isn't to blame for this mess either. NBC gets all the balem and they are solely responsible for a mess that they created. There is no indication that Conan was going to be removed any time soon. His ratings were below Letterman's, but they weren't so low that it would warrant giving him the boot after half a year. NBC gave Leno two years before he finally overcame Letterman. Furthermore, Conan was still beating Letterman in the 18-49 range, which is a more desirable demographic for advertisers at that time slot anyway. If not for Leno being under contract, they undoubtedly would have given him more time. This has everything to with local affiliates feeling burned by Leno's poor performance in primetime. He was a terrible lead-in and so their ratings for the local news were suffering. NBC cancelled Jay because of that and had to put him somewhere, so they figured a quick fix would be to put him in his old 11:35 spot and hope that the Leno/O'brien combo for that hour and a half would increase ratings while preventing them from breaching contract by firing either host. Leno obviousy didn't mind the decision to totally rework the legacies of NBC's late night shows and didn't care about how it would affect the other hosts, but O'Brien did. Therefore, using the "Well it's a business what do you expect these guys to do?" stance is without merit. O'Brien proved walking away can be done. Leno is just as much to blame for this. Either he is his own person who should have walked away when he said he would but couldn't handle being out of the spotlight and doesn't care how his position affects others, or he is a company stooge who will literally do anything NBC tells him. Neither is a very desirable position to be in in my view. He agreed to the passing of the torch to Conan despite it not being his idea, but he didn't have to go out quietly. If he really didn't want to leave, he should have made it know or go to another network. Instead, he and NBC struck up a huge deal to keep him on 5 nights a week ahead of Conan, basically undermining the credibility of the Tonight Show in general. That, plus his willingness to bump back 3 other shows to regain his former glory paints him as a very selfish person. And don't say "well that's the business." I don't care. That contention is without merit here. Guys, let's keep things civil please. Thank you. - LM.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Jan 15, 2010 12:42:19 GMT -5
To me that comes closer to proving he knows comedy than not.
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Post by DamnYankee on Jan 15, 2010 12:58:26 GMT -5
Now why would anyone in Leno's position not take the switch? Especially after he recieved a big deal to comeback to do TV when NBC begged him and then NBC turns right around and cancelled him after just 4 months? Jay is going to get what he can out of NBC for dragging him down into their mess with Conan. Now lets say the Jay doesn't take it; NBC is going to get rid of Conan anyway. That is the point all Conan defenders miss. NBC wants Conan out whether Jay took it or not. The Tonight SHow ratings took a svere nosedive from when Jay handed the show over. Conan fans are in denial. And of course, Jay isn't going to just sit there and take shots from everywhere. He is going to fight back. Jay isn't a victim, but he isn't to blame for this mess either. NBC gets all the balem and they are solely responsible for a mess that they created. That is completely assinine and proof that you've decided to take a stance one way and support it with any half-brained, completely false statement you can make. There is no indication that Conan was going to be removed any time soon. His ratings were below Letterman's, but they weren't so low that it would warrant giving him the boot after half a year. NBC gave Leno two years before he finally overcame Letterman. Furthermore, Conan was still beating Letterman in the 18-49 range, which is a more desirable demographic for advertisers at that time slot anyway. If not for Leno being under contract, they undoubtedly would have given him more time. This has everything to with local affiliates feeling burned by Leno's poor performance in primetime. He was a terrible lead-in and so their ratings for the local news were suffering. NBC cancelled Jay because of that and had to put him somewhere, so they figured a quick fix would be to put him in his old 11:35 spot and hope that the Leno/O'brien combo for that hour and a half would increase ratings while preventing them from breaching contract by firing either host. Leno obviousy didn't mind the decision to totally rework the legacies of NBC's late night shows and didn't care about how it would affect the other hosts, but O'Brien did. Therefore, using the "Well it's a business what do you expect these guys to do?" stance is without merit. O'Brien proved walking away can be done. Leno is just as much to blame for this. Either he is his own person who should have walked away when he said he would but couldn't handle being out of the spotlight and doesn't care how his position affects others, or he is a company stooge who will literally do anything NBC tells him. Neither is a very desirable position to be in in my view. He agreed to the passing of the torch to Conan despite it not being his idea, but he didn't have to go out quietly. If he really didn't want to leave, he should have made it know or go to another network. Instead, he and NBC struck up a huge deal to keep him on 5 nights a week ahead of Conan, basically undermining the credibility of the Tonight Show in general. That, plus his willingness to bump back 3 other shows to regain his former glory paints him as a very selfish person. And don't say "well that's the business." I don't care. That contention is without merit here. You hit the nail right on the head. Awesome post.
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