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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 15, 2010 13:53:45 GMT -5
To me that comes closer to proving he knows comedy than not. He used to help run it, and run it into the ground. EDIT: And once again, the spin about Conan's ratings are just that... spin. In Conan's contract he couldn't be removed due to ratings. And Leno's ratings were MUCH worse because of their effect on the affiliates. If ratings are the reason, Conan can sue.
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Post by default on Jan 15, 2010 14:00:38 GMT -5
It's a shame WWE is affiliated with NBC (via USA Network), Conan would be a great guest host for sweeps. I wouldn't be surprised if he did anyway before his "contract" is over. NBC obviously doesn't care about them ripping on him. And despite what people say about Vince, he probably knows who Conan is from a lot of WWF guys appearing on his shows (Big Show and Cena were on Late Night quite a bit) and could easily be pointed out this is a big story. Plus, it's an NBC owned network so it's not like it would hurt it's ratings. Plus who wouldn't wanna see Preperation H Raymond meet DX or Andy wrestle Chavo?
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Post by Bauertainments on Jan 15, 2010 14:26:03 GMT -5
It's a shame WWE is affiliated with NBC (via USA Network), Conan would be a great guest host for sweeps. I wouldn't be surprised if he did anyway before his "contract" is over. NBC obviously doesn't care about them ripping on him. And despite what people say about Vince, he probably knows who Conan is from a lot of WWF guys appearing on his shows (Big Show and Cena were on Late Night quite a bit) and could easily be pointed out this is a big story. Plus, it's an NBC owned network so it's not like it would hurt it's ratings. Plus who wouldn't wanna see Preperation H Raymond meet DX or Andy wrestle Chavo? Vince himself was on Conan's show in 1999 too. And Andy was at the Royal Rumble in 2000. So, I'm sure he remembers them.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jan 15, 2010 14:33:17 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if he did anyway before his "contract" is over. NBC obviously doesn't care about them ripping on him. And despite what people say about Vince, he probably knows who Conan is from a lot of WWF guys appearing on his shows (Big Show and Cena were on Late Night quite a bit) and could easily be pointed out this is a big story. Plus, it's an NBC owned network so it's not like it would hurt it's ratings. Plus who wouldn't wanna see Preperation H Raymond meet DX or Andy wrestle Chavo? Vince himself was on Conan's show in 1999 too. And Andy was at the Royal Rumble in 2000. So, I'm sure he remembers them. Andy, if I remember correctly is a fan of wrestling. I believe Conan mentioned it on the show when talking about Andy. Apprently Andy subscribes to one of the newsletters (more then likely, Meltzer's)
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Post by Cyborg Franky on Jan 15, 2010 14:49:24 GMT -5
Yes, Andy was at Royal Rumble 2000. He was one of the witnesses of seeing Mae Young naked.
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Post by AriadosMan on Jan 15, 2010 15:04:33 GMT -5
How would people react if Conan was made permanent host of RAW? It would make Vince look heroic and give him a HUGE public opinion boost.
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Post by Bauertainments on Jan 15, 2010 15:10:47 GMT -5
How would people react if Conan was made permanent host of RAW? It would make Vince look heroic and give him a HUGE public opinion boost. TNA might as well wave the white flag if that happened.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 15:14:55 GMT -5
How would people react if Conan was made permanent host of RAW? It would make Vince look heroic and give him a HUGE public opinion boost. I'd watch RAW for the rest of my life if that happened, regardless on how crappy the quality of the show is these days.
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Post by Grendel on Jan 15, 2010 15:54:18 GMT -5
Yes, Andy was at Royal Rumble 2000. He was one of the witnesses of seeing Mae Young naked. You had to remind me, didn't you? I was watching that PPV when that happened.
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Post by ani on Jan 15, 2010 15:55:26 GMT -5
Let's be a little realistic here guys, there's NO WAY the WWE could ever afford Conan for a permanent role. There's others willing to give him MUCH more.
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Jan 15, 2010 16:05:25 GMT -5
Jimmy Kimmel's burning of Leno was almost enough to redeem him in my eyes. Nothing will ever do it after what he said at the Flavor Flav roast most likely, but again, this was close. You mean when he said that Chris Benoit was a better father than Flavor Flav? I thought that was actually pretty funny. Anyways, Conan would be great as Raw guest host, but I'm afraid that some of his humor would go over the Raw audience's head.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jan 15, 2010 16:10:20 GMT -5
via 411mania.com:
NBC chairman Dick Ebersol says Conan O'Brien has nobody to blame but himself for getting the boot from The Tonight Show and called Conan and David Letterman's decision to take shots at Jay Leno "chicken-hearted and gutless" since neither can beat Leno in the ratings.
Ebersol went on to say that "what this is really all about is an astounding failure by Conan," says Conan refused to take advice on how to increase his ratings. Ebersol met with Conan three weeks before the changes were announced, urging Conan to adopt changes that both Johnny Carson and Jay Leno had adopted to increase ratings in central time zones like Chicago and Des Moines.
"I like Conan enormously personally," Mr. Ebersol said. "He was just stubborn about not being willing to broaden the appeal of his show." He added that NBC "bet on the wrong guy."
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Post by Alucard on Jan 15, 2010 16:13:05 GMT -5
via 411mania.com: NBC chairman Dick Ebersol says Conan O'Brien has nobody to blame but himself for getting the boot from The Tonight Show and called Conan and David Letterman's decision to take shots at Jay Leno "chicken-hearted and gutless" since neither can beat Leno in the ratings. Ebersol went on to say that "what this is really all about is an astounding failure by Conan," says Conan refused to take advice on how to increase his ratings. Ebersol met with Conan three weeks before the changes were announced, urging Conan to adopt changes that both Johnny Carson and Jay Leno had adopted to increase ratings in central time zones like Chicago and Des Moines. "I like Conan enormously personally," Mr. Ebersol said. "He was just stubborn about not being willing to broaden the appeal of his show." He added that NBC "bet on the wrong guy." Y'know, it's not like he had a lot of time to adjust and make those changes, either. BS excuse.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jan 15, 2010 16:20:10 GMT -5
via 411mania.com: NBC chairman Dick Ebersol says Conan O'Brien has nobody to blame but himself for getting the boot from The Tonight Show and called Conan and David Letterman's decision to take shots at Jay Leno "chicken-hearted and gutless" since neither can beat Leno in the ratings. Ebersol went on to say that "what this is really all about is an astounding failure by Conan," says Conan refused to take advice on how to increase his ratings. Ebersol met with Conan three weeks before the changes were announced, urging Conan to adopt changes that both Johnny Carson and Jay Leno had adopted to increase ratings in central time zones like Chicago and Des Moines. "I like Conan enormously personally," Mr. Ebersol said. "He was just stubborn about not being willing to broaden the appeal of his show." He added that NBC "bet on the wrong guy." It took them five years to figure that out? Conan's show was always successful because he was different. He wasn't afraid to make fun of himself, or anyone else for that matter, and he's charming in a quirky way. To be honest, he seems to appeal to a wider range of people than Leno ever did (or will) and is a much better interviewer to boot. I'll be switching to Letterman regularly once this is all said and done (at least, until Conan is on another network, provided that happens); I hope Conan goes on to bigger and better things. He's hilarious, and the way he's been treated is, in my humble opinion, complete horseshit. In fact, if NBC wants to save face, let CoCo's last episode air live, and give him free reign to just let loose. It'll never happen, but I'd love to hear his uncensored views on Ebersol, Leno, Zucker, and NBC in general. Maybe give him a show on one of the premium channels, like HBO or Showtime? He could bring back the Masturbating Bear and Tokey the Bong!
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 15, 2010 17:01:31 GMT -5
I know this is a little off topic, but you know how there's an arrow between the E and X in the FEDEX logo? And you never notice it until someone points it out and then it never goes away?
For some reason I never noticed Leno's lisp, until Kimmel, and now it won't go away.
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Post by Bauertainments on Jan 15, 2010 17:05:45 GMT -5
Ratings are in for Leno last night... 1.3. (Worst rating for a Thursday episode his 10 PM has had yet.)
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Post by Threadkiller [Classic] on Jan 15, 2010 17:09:35 GMT -5
My problem with Leno in this whole thing isn't necessarily that he's just taking the show back after initially walking away (which nobody put a gun to his head in the first place to get him to walk in 2009), it's that I don't even know that Leno knows why he wants it back at all.
He doesn't need the money.
He doesn't need the publicity.
He isn't going to do anything creative or intelligent or different with it.
He's never pushed NBC for more money. He doesn't seem to be interested in the pay day at the end of the rainbow.
So why does he want The Tonight Show back? Why not just walk away and preserve whatever dignity you have left and take your show to Vegas? Take the band with you, if you want. You can have Kevin still laugh at all your jokes. Granted, the singing lady won't have any commercial breaks to sing during...
For all intents and purposes, he wants it back just to have it back. To be the one who wins. Like he's getting off on all of this. How everyone and their mom can be Team Conan, but he's still going to win in the end and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
Yes, that's a gross oversimplification that makes the man sound like an evil genius (which a lot of you may think he is), but the fact of the matter is that he doesn't really seem to need The Tonight Show at all. Why couldn't they just move him to 8 o'clock, an hour where his toothless brand of comedy is a better fit than it is right before the local news? Why give him back The Tonight Show at all?
It's just irritating that he seems to want it for no other reason than to have it. Could it be that Jay is simply a creature of habit, and he's scared of life without the routine of regular work as a late night host? I don't know. But I just find it hard to believe that this is about money.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 15, 2010 17:13:54 GMT -5
There is no indication that Conan was going to be removed any time soon. His ratings were below Letterman's, but they weren't so low that it would warrant giving him the boot after half a year. NBC gave Leno two years before he finally overcame Letterman. Furthermore, Conan was still beating Letterman in the 18-49 range, which is a more desirable demographic for advertisers at that time slot anyway. If not for Leno being under contract, they undoubtedly would have given him more time. This has everything to with local affiliates feeling burned by Leno's poor performance in primetime. He was a terrible lead-in and so their ratings for the local news were suffering. NBC cancelled Jay because of that and had to put him somewhere, so they figured a quick fix would be to put him in his old 11:35 spot and hope that the Leno/O'brien combo for that hour and a half would increase ratings while preventing them from breaching contract by firing either host. Leno obviousy didn't mind the decision to totally rework the legacies of NBC's late night shows and didn't care about how it would affect the other hosts, but O'Brien did. Therefore, using the "Well it's a business what do you expect these guys to do?" stance is without merit. O'Brien proved walking away can be done. Leno is just as much to blame for this. Either he is his own person who should have walked away when he said he would but couldn't handle being out of the spotlight and doesn't care how his position affects others, or he is a company stooge who will literally do anything NBC tells him. Neither is a very desirable position to be in in my view. He agreed to the passing of the torch to Conan despite it not being his idea, but he didn't have to go out quietly. If he really didn't want to leave, he should have made it know or go to another network. Instead, he and NBC struck up a huge deal to keep him on 5 nights a week ahead of Conan, basically undermining the credibility of the Tonight Show in general. That, plus his willingness to bump back 3 other shows to regain his former glory paints him as a very selfish person. And don't say "well that's the business." I don't care. That contention is without merit here. Guys, let's keep things civil please. Thank you. - LM.I disagree entirely. I bleieve he didn't want to walk away, but didn't want to upset the transition by creating waves. Then NBC came up with a way to solve that problem by giving him primetime. It allowed him to stay on TV and keep his agreement that Conan would get the Tonight Show. They give him all this, yank it away in less than 4 months and you think he should just walk away? Thats absurd.. He kept his end of the bargan, NBC didn't. You don't let NBC off that easy. He tried to take the high road by letting NBC & Conan hash it out. That became impossiuble with NBC making public its ultamatum and Conan pitching a fit by writing a letter in the newspaper. So Jay defended himself. ANd now Jay is a bad guy for a mess that NBC created and threw gasoline on. NBC is solely to blame Nobody else.
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Post by kickassJP on Jan 15, 2010 17:19:10 GMT -5
There is no indication that Conan was going to be removed any time soon. His ratings were below Letterman's, but they weren't so low that it would warrant giving him the boot after half a year. NBC gave Leno two years before he finally overcame Letterman. Furthermore, Conan was still beating Letterman in the 18-49 range, which is a more desirable demographic for advertisers at that time slot anyway. If not for Leno being under contract, they undoubtedly would have given him more time. This has everything to with local affiliates feeling burned by Leno's poor performance in primetime. He was a terrible lead-in and so their ratings for the local news were suffering. NBC cancelled Jay because of that and had to put him somewhere, so they figured a quick fix would be to put him in his old 11:35 spot and hope that the Leno/O'brien combo for that hour and a half would increase ratings while preventing them from breaching contract by firing either host. Leno obviousy didn't mind the decision to totally rework the legacies of NBC's late night shows and didn't care about how it would affect the other hosts, but O'Brien did. Therefore, using the "Well it's a business what do you expect these guys to do?" stance is without merit. O'Brien proved walking away can be done. Leno is just as much to blame for this. Either he is his own person who should have walked away when he said he would but couldn't handle being out of the spotlight and doesn't care how his position affects others, or he is a company stooge who will literally do anything NBC tells him. Neither is a very desirable position to be in in my view. He agreed to the passing of the torch to Conan despite it not being his idea, but he didn't have to go out quietly. If he really didn't want to leave, he should have made it know or go to another network. Instead, he and NBC struck up a huge deal to keep him on 5 nights a week ahead of Conan, basically undermining the credibility of the Tonight Show in general. That, plus his willingness to bump back 3 other shows to regain his former glory paints him as a very selfish person. And don't say "well that's the business." I don't care. That contention is without merit here. Guys, let's keep things civil please. Thank you. - LM.I disagree entirely. I bleieve he didn't want to walk away, but didn't want to upset the transition by creating waves. Then NBC came up with a way to solve that problem by giving him primetime. It allowed him to stay on TV and keep his agreement that Conan would get the Tonight Show. They give him all this, yank it away in less than 4 months and you think he should just walk away? Thats absurd.. He kept his end of the bargan, NBC didn't. You don't let NBC off that easy. He tried to take the high road by letting NBC & Conan hash it out. That became impossiuble with NBC making public its ultamatum and Conan pitching a fit by writing a letter in the newspaper. So Jay defended himself. ANd now Jay is a bad guy for a mess that NBC created and threw gasoline on. NBC is solely to blame Nobody else. NBC is to blame and so is Leno. The obvious reasons are there as to why NBC gets the blame, but Leno gets the blame for being selfish.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 15, 2010 17:22:51 GMT -5
I disagree entirely. I bleieve he didn't want to walk away, but didn't want to upset the transition by creating waves. Then NBC came up with a way to solve that problem by giving him primetime. It allowed him to stay on TV and keep his agreement that Conan would get the Tonight Show. He wanted to walk. He made it clear he wanted to walk. ABC made it clear they wanted him. NBC didn't want him competing with Conan, so they begged him to stay and gave him Primetime. Thanks to a ton of money and a prime spot on TV he stayed. Leno wasn't ready to retire. Then again, neither was Carson.
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