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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Jan 15, 2010 17:29:34 GMT -5
Yes, Andy was at Royal Rumble 2000. He was one of the witnesses of seeing Mae Young naked. You had to remind me, didn't you? I was watching that PPV when that happened. As was I. And on my 19th birthday, no less. WORST. PRESENT. EVER!
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 15, 2010 17:32:14 GMT -5
I disagree entirely. I bleieve he didn't want to walk away, but didn't want to upset the transition by creating waves. Then NBC came up with a way to solve that problem by giving him primetime. It allowed him to stay on TV and keep his agreement that Conan would get the Tonight Show. They give him all this, yank it away in less than 4 months and you think he should just walk away? Thats absurd.. He kept his end of the bargan, NBC didn't. You don't let NBC off that easy. He tried to take the high road by letting NBC & Conan hash it out. That became impossiuble with NBC making public its ultamatum and Conan pitching a fit by writing a letter in the newspaper. So Jay defended himself. ANd now Jay is a bad guy for a mess that NBC created and threw gasoline on. NBC is solely to blame Nobody else. NBC is to blame and so is Leno. The obvious reasons are there as to why NBC gets the blame, but Leno gets the blame for being selfish. Leno isn't being selfish. He held his end of the bargain by agreeing 5 years in advance to give the show over to Conan. Conan had the opportunity to stay on as host of the Tonight SHow and didn't want it. Only after Conan wants out do they give the show back to Jay.
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Post by kickassJP on Jan 15, 2010 17:40:37 GMT -5
NBC is to blame and so is Leno. The obvious reasons are there as to why NBC gets the blame, but Leno gets the blame for being selfish. Leno isn't being selfish. He held his end of the bargain by agreeing 5 years in advance to give the show over to Conan. Conan had the opportunity to stay on as host of the Tonight SHow and didn't want it. Only after Conan wants out do they give the show back to Jay. Conan didn't want it because of the legacy of the show and how leno and nbc would be spitting on it. Why should Conan move more Leno? It's like Leno himself is more important than the whole history of the Tonight Show, and that's why Leno is selfish.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2010 17:50:11 GMT -5
I think it's astounding the way that, between all of the news, all of the late night show hosts responding to it, and the way that poll on the subject on TV Guide went, it is blaringly obvious that almost nobody approves of this idea, yet NBC doesn't care. I hope it comes back to bite stab them in the ass.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 15, 2010 18:50:47 GMT -5
Leno isn't being selfish. He held his end of the bargain by agreeing 5 years in advance to give the show over to Conan. Conan had the opportunity to stay on as host of the Tonight SHow and didn't want it. Only after Conan wants out do they give the show back to Jay. Conan didn't want it because of the legacy of the show and how leno and nbc would be spitting on it. Why should Conan move more Leno? It's like Leno himself is more important than the whole history of the Tonight Show, and that's why Leno is selfish. Please. A half hour is spitting on the legacy? The Tonight Show once ran for 1.5 hours in th epast and was then cut to an hour and the legacy didn't suffer. Leno didn't put a gun to any NBC executives head when they hatched that idea. ALso, Conan knows better than anyone that Leno was a big help to his Late NIght program, always shilling it as he signed off. ALso, if Conan really thought about it, Jay in a half hour format would be doomed to failure and it wouldn't have been long before Conan was back at the original time slot.
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Jan 15, 2010 18:54:37 GMT -5
I think it's astounding the way that, between all of the news, all of the late night show hosts responding to it, and the way that poll on the subject on TV Guide went, it is blaringly obvious that almost nobody approves of this idea, yet NBC doesn't care. I hope it comes back to bite stab them in the ass. It won't. Once the dust is cleared in Febuary, Leno will be back doing what he does best(instead of his second rate knock off in prime time) and the real loser will be David Letterman, becuase his rear is about to be pounded all over again.
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Jan 15, 2010 18:58:59 GMT -5
You hear about this?
NBC once had a lineup that they called Must See TV....I guess for Conan O Brien, It's now must FLEE TV.
*Punchline music*
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 15, 2010 19:08:29 GMT -5
Honestly, the only reason I'm even paying attention to this is because it's produced some really funny jokes. I couldn't care less if either Conan or Jay were tossed, and while there may be a big fervor in the late-night circuit and entertainment news, I don't think it will translate to massively declining audiences.
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Post by THE Baldy Kendrick on Jan 15, 2010 19:13:09 GMT -5
Conan didn't want it because of the legacy of the show and how leno and nbc would be spitting on it. Why should Conan move more Leno? It's like Leno himself is more important than the whole history of the Tonight Show, and that's why Leno is selfish. Please. A half hour is spitting on the legacy? The Tonight Show once ran for 1.5 hours in th epast and was then cut to an hour and the legacy didn't suffer. Leno didn't put a gun to any NBC executives head when they hatched that idea. ALso, Conan knows better than anyone that Leno was a big help to his Late NIght program, always shilling it as he signed off. ALso, if Conan really thought about it, Jay in a half hour format would be doomed to failure and it wouldn't have been long before Conan was back at the original time slot. Interesting points, but I disagree with a few of them. I don't think the big "insult" to the Tonight Show legacy would've been the moving to 12:05, but rather the fact that it would be the secondary show on late night. It would be a tough situation for Conan to step into, having to a) become second banana again, and b) have his topical monologue and comedy immediately after Jay's topical monologue and comedy. The Leno shilling for Conan bit: Everyone does that. Dave tells you to stay tuned for Craig. Leno tells you to stay tuned for Conan. Conan tells you to stay tuned for Jimmy. Jimmy tells you to stay tuned for Carson. Carson tells you to stay tuned for Vince Offer. It's certainly not bad that he did it, but it's not like he (or anyone else) went out of his way to do it. As for Leno, he's certainly taking a good chunk more of the blame than he deserves. I think he's a bit more culpable than you do, but neither of us are in 30 Rock, so we'll never know what's really going down. But right or wrong, when he takes the chair back, he's gonna look like he went back on his word. And I don't see how that wouldn't hurt his ratings.
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Post by toddpolt on Jan 15, 2010 19:20:03 GMT -5
I think it's astounding the way that, between all of the news, all of the late night show hosts responding to it, and the way that poll on the subject on TV Guide went, it is blaringly obvious that almost nobody approves of this idea, yet NBC doesn't care. I hope it comes back to bite stab them in the ass. It won't. Once the dust is cleared in Febuary, Leno will be back doing what he does best(instead of his second rate knock off in prime time) and the real loser will be David Letterman, becuase his rear is about to be pounded all over again. But once again, is Leno the future of NBC? Really Zucker never ever contemplated that answer. Which is why he's here now.
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Post by Shy Guy on Jan 15, 2010 19:25:07 GMT -5
now that leno isn't on at 10, this will bring back Friday Night Lights
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Post by tap on Jan 15, 2010 19:39:17 GMT -5
Random thought:
This whole "late night war" demonstrates the failings of the late night talk show format. In form, there is very little that differentiates O'Brien from Leno from Letterman from Robinson from Kimmel (and even Stewart and Colbert echo this standardized form).
Does the late night talk show need to be reinvented, turned on its head to inject late night with some excitement? In a day and age of DVR and torrents, does it even matter? Even though the animosity between O'Brien and NBC (and Leno) seems real, does it still not smack of being manufactured, irrelevant, even trivial? In one day this thread reaches 14 pages; the thread about the earthquake in Haiti hasn't even made it to two pages in 3 days. It's hard to make sense of such an observation.
EDIT: And I'm as guilty of watching this war unfold like anyone else is, I am no different and no better, and am not claiming to be.
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Post by Jason Todd Grisham on Jan 15, 2010 19:39:31 GMT -5
But once again, is Leno the future of NBC?
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Post by Time Lord Soundwave on Jan 15, 2010 19:48:09 GMT -5
Random thought: This whole "late night war" demonstrates the failings of the late night talk show format. In form, there is very little that differentiates O'Brien from Leno from Letterman from Robinson from Kimmel (and even Stewart and Colbert echo this standardized form). Does the late night talk show need to be reinvented, turned on its head to inject late night with some excitement? In a day and age of DVR and torrents, does it even matter? Even though the animosity between O'Brien and NBC (and Leno) seems real, does it still not smack of being manufactured, irrelevant, even trivial? In one day this thread reaches 14 pages; the thread about the earthquake in Haiti hasn't even made it to two pages in 3 days. It's hard to make sense of such an observation. EDIT: And I'm as guilty of watching this war unfold like anyone else is, I am no different and no better, and am not claiming to be. Given his tendency to improvise on the fly, I'd say Craig Fergusion fits your criteria.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jan 15, 2010 20:07:05 GMT -5
Please. A half hour is spitting on the legacy? The Tonight Show once ran for 1.5 hours in th epast and was then cut to an hour and the legacy didn't suffer. Leno didn't put a gun to any NBC executives head when they hatched that idea. ALso, Conan knows better than anyone that Leno was a big help to his Late NIght program, always shilling it as he signed off. ALso, if Conan really thought about it, Jay in a half hour format would be doomed to failure and it wouldn't have been long before Conan was back at the original time slot. Interesting points, but I disagree with a few of them. I don't think the big "insult" to the Tonight Show legacy would've been the moving to 12:05, but rather the fact that it would be the secondary show on late night. It would be a tough situation for Conan to step into, having to a) become second banana again, and b) have his topical monologue and comedy immediately after Jay's topical monologue and comedy. The Leno shilling for Conan bit: Everyone does that. Dave tells you to stay tuned for Craig. Leno tells you to stay tuned for Conan. Conan tells you to stay tuned for Jimmy. Jimmy tells you to stay tuned for Carson. Carson tells you to stay tuned for Poker After Dark. It's certainly not bad that he did it, but it's not like he (or anyone else) went out of his way to do it. As for Leno, he's certainly taking a good chunk more of the blame than he deserves. I think he's a bit more culpable than you do, but neither of us are in 30 Rock, so we'll never know what's really going down. But right or wrong, when he takes the chair back, he's gonna look like he went back on his word. And I don't see how that wouldn't hurt his ratings. Fixed.
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Post by toddpolt on Jan 15, 2010 20:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by Hulk With A Mustache on Jan 15, 2010 20:55:24 GMT -5
At least he'll make out like a bandit out of this whole deal.
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Post by Premier Blah on Jan 15, 2010 21:11:12 GMT -5
At least he'll make out like a bandit out of this whole deal. Wow, as if things couldn't get worse for NBC. I bet he'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Hell, he could make a skit of going to the bank as Conando with Andy for the show. Would be a hell of a lot of fun.
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Post by Lazy peon on Jan 15, 2010 21:15:50 GMT -5
At least he'll make out like a bandit out of this whole deal. Wow, as if things couldn't get worse for NBC. I bet he'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Hell, he could make a skit of going to the bank as Conando with Andy for the show. Would be a hell of a lot of fun. Conando?
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Post by Premier Blah on Jan 15, 2010 21:34:44 GMT -5
Wow, as if things couldn't get worse for NBC. I bet he'll be laughing all the way to the bank. Hell, he could make a skit of going to the bank as Conando with Andy for the show. Would be a hell of a lot of fun. Conando? Si! Conando! (Insert found picture of grinning Conando here.)
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