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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 19:08:07 GMT -5
Personally, I thought it was just ridiculously bland and anticlimactic, though given their terrible, incomprehensible feud and the general way Orton / Trips matches go I expected nothing but.
There was one part I did like, though, and that was each of them hitting their finishers right from the beginning. That was a nice twist.
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Post by skiller on Dec 31, 2009 20:30:47 GMT -5
I hate the argument that it had to follow HBK/Taker. So did the Three Way and that was more alive than this debacle and it was straight after that match. What we had here was a badly booked, badly worked, and all around poor excuse for that we were told to expect to be a very personal match. I've seen more "personal" matches in undercard house shows. It was a bad match. IMO the worst I saw from what little I've watched this year. Some may point out that it was technically better than say Swagger/Finlay from No Way Out for example. But to them I say that that match wasn't booked to be the main event of what they billed as one of their biggest shows ever. Making one a bigger flop than the other.
I gave them the benefit of my doubt. After the match was booked I just rolled my eyes and sighed. It wasn't a new match. It wasn't something that had proven to deliver in the past. The feud surrounding the match was confusing and made little sense. All signs pointed towards failure. But after the high of the Taker/HBK match I decided to give it the benefit of my doubt. While it probably wouldn't compare of that match, they'd do something, anything that would make it memorble in it's own right. Good God, was I wrong. When a match ends, and everyone in the room looks around confused, asking one another where it was over, you've done something very wrong. The crowd seemed to agree with their apathetic reaction.
I don't agree that having Triple H winning was necessarily a bad move. The way they booked it it doesn't matter who won. Orton could have still taken it and been damaged from the performance. No excuses here, I don't see how anyone can defend it. No "good story" here. No good action. Not even a good, solid foundation of a feud. It failed in almost every sense of the word. I honestly can't think of another match in that company that shortchanged everyone so badly.
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Post by Jason on Dec 31, 2009 20:35:32 GMT -5
The match was bad and made Orton look terrible. I mean, why even bother? He won the title at Backlash anyways. Wrestlemania should have ended with Randy holding up the title with Legacy beside him over Triple H laid out.
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Post by Chiral on Dec 31, 2009 20:53:04 GMT -5
Also, they acted like the match didn't even happen, by hardly mentioning it on Raw, and in the WWE Magazine covering WM25, there are no pictures or text about the match.
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Post by Crazy Diamond on Dec 31, 2009 21:14:18 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense because there were several instances when HHH was the heel where the face should have gone over and instead lost. At WM 2000 the expected outcome was either Rock or Foley winning the 4-way but instead they went with HHH and had Rock win the title at Backlash. At Fully Loaded that same year the build-up appeared to show that Jericho would beat HHH but lo and behold HHH ended up winning despite Jericho throwing practically everything he could think of at him. When RVD went up against him in 2002 most fans wanted him to win and the writers even wanted to build the WHC with his title reign but instead they decided to go with HHH yet again. His match with Booker T at WM 19 was setup so that Booker had to go over but HHH still won that time.
I'm not a fan of Orton's but having HHH win didn't do anything for either guy. The match was boring too and both men can do way better.
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Post by rrm15 on Dec 31, 2009 23:45:14 GMT -5
It doesn't make sense because there were several instances when HHH was the heel where the face should have gone over and instead lost. At WM 2000 the expected outcome was either Rock or Foley winning the 4-way but instead they went with HHH and had Rock win the title at Backlash. At Fully Loaded that same year the build-up appeared to show that Jericho would beat HHH but lo and behold HHH ended up winning despite Jericho throwing practically everything he could think of at him. When RVD went up against him in 2002 most fans wanted him to win and the writers even wanted to build the WHC with his title reign but instead they decided to go with HHH yet again. His match with Booker T at WM 19 was setup so that Booker had to go over but HHH still won that time. I'm not a fan of Orton's but having HHH win didn't do anything for either guy. The match was boring too and both men can do way better. Dude, we're talking about Triple H. He always wins, regardless of whether or not it makes sense to. |
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Post by Bravo Echo November on Jan 1, 2010 2:23:55 GMT -5
Here's my take since I was at the damn thing live: The crowd in no way was dead because of the Undertaker/HBK match. We did put some emotion into the triple threat because it was an okay match; nothing spectacular but passable. The crowd was ready for the main event since Orton and HHH both got mixed reactions heading into the match. What killed us? When both men hit their finishers at the same time. In doing so they worked a very slow match that was boring and something that was not the caliber of a main event more or less a Mania main event. The match dragged on so bad that the crowd (I don't know if it was seen on TV or heard) started chanting "We want a wave" and attempted to do a wave during the main event of the biggest show of the year. Last time I even knew of the crowd doing the wave during a match was at SummerSlam '04 during the WWE Championship match; another stinker IMO. Concerning the ending; yes, it was very anti-climatic live. The crowd had no idea how to react with it except with a confused look on their face saying: "that's it?". I will give the benefit of a doubt that I think the match was rushed due to time constraints (partially due to that stupid concert  ). So I can't complain there. But the match all went to hell when they hit their finishers within the first 5 minutes. |
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Post by Schattenjager on Jan 1, 2010 3:25:34 GMT -5
They should have just gone with Jeff Hardy vs. Triple H with Jeff winning his first WWE title to close the show at the 25th WrestleMania.
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Post by Gummydavidson on Jan 1, 2010 3:44:41 GMT -5
It should of been No DQ, thats all i have to say!!!  |
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Post by barley96 on Jan 1, 2010 4:49:09 GMT -5
I will admit that I did not see the match, but HHH vs Randy Orton was way too repetitive. This was the first WrestleMania that I did not order, this being one of the reasons.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jan 1, 2010 4:52:02 GMT -5
The match was a paint by numbers mid card match on a Raw. I didn't think it brought the quality to be a main event on a PPV, let alone the main event of a Mania that featured Shawn vs. Taker doing what they did. The ending sucked, and for once the crowd backed that opinion up. The hush over the place when HHH got the most anti-climatic pin of the decade spoke for itself. Oh, not to mention the wrong man won. They've blown some money feuds before, but looking at how Randy began getting his ultimate mega push in December, how hot he was following his punt to McMahon, and how great the first 4-5 weeks of the HHH feud was, you could argue this was their biggest dropping of the ball in years. Then to make things worse, they stretched it out until well in to the Summer, with it getting worse and worse every time out. Last man standing on Raw aside. Oh yeah, and that was the THIRD last man standing match the two had wrestled in against one another. When you have three of the same gimmick match over the duration of your feuds, it's time to pull the plug on it. That match made Mania end on a terribly sour note. This. WrestleMania 25 had already felt a bit flat, outside of Michaels vs. Undertaker, so for them to end the show with a dud of a main event really spoiled the entire thing. The problem is that Randy Orton had no business losing that match, but the angle had been booked in a way that there's no way Triple H should have rightly lost. They booked themselves into a corner is what they did. |
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Post by FunkerCM on Jan 1, 2010 9:12:43 GMT -5
Didn't have much going for it to begin with and ended up as probably the dullest main event ever at WrestleMania.
By WrestleMania 25 they'd been trying and failing for over 4 years to have a match with any drama or heat.
No-one cared no matter how many McMahons were beaten up beforehand.
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Post by Enrico Palazzo on Jan 1, 2010 9:30:52 GMT -5
Once HHH got involved in the fued my interest took a huge dip. Orton was red hot then it became farcical.
The match should have been won by Hunter, but the title shouldnt have been anywhere near the match. Instead have Edge versus Hardy for the strap with Hardy winning and finally winning the big one (he shouldn't have won it at Armageddon, should have won it at the main even of Wrestlemania).
Its funny that I remember nearly every spot of Taker/HBK, yet can't remember a single thing about Orton/HHH.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jan 1, 2010 11:13:38 GMT -5
It was a huge anti-climax. Nothing memorable happened at all.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 1, 2010 11:32:09 GMT -5
The match was a paint by numbers mid card match on a Raw. I didn't think it brought the quality to be a main event on a PPV, let alone the main event of a Mania that featured Shawn vs. Taker doing what they did. The ending sucked, and for once the crowd backed that opinion up. The hush over the place when HHH got the most anti-climatic pin of the decade spoke for itself. Oh, not to mention the wrong man won. They've blown some money feuds before, but looking at how Randy began getting his ultimate mega push in December, how hot he was following his punt to McMahon, and how great the first 4-5 weeks of the HHH feud was, you could argue this was their biggest dropping of the ball in years. Then to make things worse, they stretched it out until well in to the Summer, with it getting worse and worse every time out. Last man standing on Raw aside. Oh yeah, and that was the THIRD last man standing match the two had wrestled in against one another. When you have three of the same gimmick match over the duration of your feuds, it's time to pull the plug on it. That match made Mania end on a terribly sour note. Yep. Orton also should have completely destroyed Shane. Keep Orton going strong as a sociopath, who wants to destroy the entire McMahon family. And they never should have dropped the Triple H and Orton can't touch each other rule. They dropped it after a couple of days. Instead of building to the moment when Triple H finally gets a shot at Orton, they said "Screw it, we don't need to build that up." The Mania match needed to be no disqualification. You had a personal, blood feud, and have a standard match at Mania. Come on WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 11:46:05 GMT -5
They should have just gone with Jeff Hardy vs. Triple H with Jeff winning his first WWE title to close the show at the 25th WrestleMania. |
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Post by lmagicdancer1 on Jan 1, 2010 12:35:28 GMT -5
When this fued first started I actually enjoyed it. It had some good moments and it was turning into a more epic and personal fued than hhh and hbk. like everyone has said before on this thread, it was blown by overbooking and indifference. HBK/taker was a great match but I believe it was made even greater because it was the only real good match on the card. is it possible that the reason the match and fued was booked to fail was because everyone felt that the taker/hbk match was going to exhaust the live crowd and was going to be the match of the night, so why bother to even try to top it?
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Post by eJm on Jan 1, 2010 12:43:57 GMT -5
Here's my take.
The fued post No Way Out was epic. They took a match I shouldn't have cared about and made me care about it which was something I never thought I did because of the Shane debacle after Orton won the Rumble. They built the match so personally and so well that you'd think it would be...well, a personal fued with all rules being thrown out the window.
Instead, we get the dullest match possible. It was generic and it was like everything else and it shouldn't have been. They should be brawling across the arena, beating each other with everything they got their hands on, HHH should have wanted to KILL Orton for hurting his wife...but he didn't. Yeah, he punted his head, but then Orton got up after he lost the match so it was pointless.
It achieved nothing, it did nothing and it was quite possibly the biggest letdown in wrestling in 2009. You don't DO that for the Main Event at a friggin' WrestleMania!
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Jan 1, 2010 14:50:29 GMT -5
I couldn't believe they started by hitting their finishers. took the wind out! Yeah. I couldn't believe how mind-bogglingly stupid that was. Aside from all the rest of it being badly handled and such, opening with the finishes killed whatever minor heat they had. |
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 1, 2010 21:45:45 GMT -5
I couldn't believe they started by hitting their finishers. took the wind out! Yeah. I couldn't believe how mind-bogglingly stupid that was. Aside from all the rest of it being badly handled and such, opening with the finishes killed whatever minor heat they had. I'll agree with that too. I mean, that's basic Booking 101. NEVER, EVER, EVER open the match with a "finishing" sequence. Makes the rest of the match dull because the crowd has already SEEN you hit your biggest moves on each other. Only exception to this is if you're in a Hell in a Cell, Ladder, or other Gimmick match, and your finisher can be modified to be done again later, only BIGGER and BETTER. Like off the top of the Cell, or off of a ladder or something to make the crowd go crazy. |
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