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Post by triplealbert on Jan 2, 2010 0:30:35 GMT -5
My understanding is Bret still works out and pictures I've seen suggest he's in pretty good shape. His arms are always fairly jacked.
But the stroke. People always mention his stroke.
Pardon me, but didn't Tedy Bruschi win two Super Bowls after having a stroke? Why, exactly, couldn't Bret come back and have a good match with someone other than Vince "Gimmick Match" McMahon?
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 2, 2010 0:33:54 GMT -5
My understanding is Bret still works out and pictures I've seen suggest he's in pretty good shape. His arms are always fairly jacked. But the stroke. People always mention his stroke. Pardon me, but didn't Tedy Bruschi win two Super Bowls after having a stroke? Why, exactly, couldn't Bret come back and have a good match with someone other than Vince "Gimmick Match" McMahon? I think because Bret's stroke was perhaps more severe than Bruschi's. In his book, by his own admission, Bret says that doctors have told him he's lucky he's not confined to a wheelchair after the severity of the stroke he had, and that it is in his best interests NOT to ever engage in any sort of rough activity that might bruise/damage/concuss/traumatize his brain. Basically, he was lucky once, and another incident MIGHT end up doing him in for good. |
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Post by Stotty on Jan 2, 2010 0:34:03 GMT -5
Strokes have different levels of severity, and Bret's was at the extreme end of the scale.
I think Bret is one of those cases of 'all it would take is one bad bump'.
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Post by WhiteFu on Jan 2, 2010 0:37:23 GMT -5
Would he be able to maybe squash Vince in a streetfight without taking a bump?
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 2, 2010 0:40:38 GMT -5
Would he be able to maybe squash Vince in a streetfight without taking a bump? It'd still be risky as all hell. WAY too risky for my liking. |
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Post by egyptianblizzard on Jan 2, 2010 0:41:40 GMT -5
As much as I would love to see Bret wrestle again, I do not want to see him wrestle ever again.
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Post by Lionheart on Jan 2, 2010 0:50:51 GMT -5
As others have said, there are strokes...and then there are strokes. You can't generalize about their effects. It's my understanding that Teddy Bruschi's stroke was a relatively minor one. By contrast, my mother (only 49 at the time) suffered a series of strokes in 2005 that have left her in a nursing home, unable to communicate or take care of herself.
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Post by The F'N Captain on Jan 2, 2010 0:53:56 GMT -5
I think the most they'd have Hart do is probably pimpslap/punch Vince.
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Post by cernex on Jan 2, 2010 0:55:34 GMT -5
I can imagine Hart Dynasty getting into "something" against DX and/or Vince, Bret coming out and hitting somebody with a chair and/or the sharpshooter, and that would be it.
Anything else would be just too risky.
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Post by cartern923 on Jan 2, 2010 1:01:06 GMT -5
Yeah, if Hart is ever in a physical altercation, it would be so uncomfortable for me that I might change the channel. It isn't worth it, I don't even want to see him risk it.
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Post by khali on Jan 2, 2010 1:22:00 GMT -5
Really, if Hart is to actually be in a match again, he would probably be best served in a six man tag with the Hart Dynasty. Throw a couple punches, slap on a sharpshooter and I think that would generally be pretty safe.
It was in the Observer that when Vince previously had pitched doing a match against Hart when he went into the HOF, the match would have consisted of "a lot of punching and kicking, mostly Vince selling and bleeding (and my gut is that they won’t have the crutch of relying on heavy blood in this one with the changes in standards) and Bret taking no bumps due to his health."
I can't see Bret doing more than that since I doubt he'd be foolish enough to take bumps and put himself at major risk.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 2, 2010 1:25:07 GMT -5
Prior to his stroke, I don't think Tedy had the history of concussions that Bret did prior to his. Keep in mind that when Bret fell off of his bike and hit his head (which triggered the stroke), it was on grass. The fact that the impact wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been (that is, on pavement), but still managed to facilitate a stroke goes to show just how rough of a shape Bret was in.
I think any kind of physical activity could be incredibly risky for Bret right now.
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Post by triplealbert on Jan 2, 2010 1:44:29 GMT -5
Prior to his stroke, I don't think Tedy had the history of concussions that Bret did prior to his. Keep in mind that when Bret fell off of his bike and hit his head (which triggered the stroke), it was on grass. The fact that the impact wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been (that is, on pavement), but still managed to facilitate a stroke goes to show just how rough of a shape Bret was in. I think any kind of physical activity could be incredibly risky for Bret right now. I get your point and what others are saying but on one thing, you're wrong. No way they didn't have similar concussion histories. Tedy Bruschi plays professional football. That's all that needs to be said about that. |
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Post by vivix on Jan 2, 2010 1:57:31 GMT -5
The problem with a stroke is that Bret MAX has 90% mobility and the risk of a head injury or major spike of blood pressure and he could very suffer another. I know these because my dad had a stroke and is in fact confined to a wheelchair. I was at one time going to go into physical therapy but the fact of seeing him try and fail on walking has kept me from it. His terapists were hopeful but his weight and knees kept him from progressing past the mild mobility he does have.
I don't see Bret in any way shape or form risking another stroke for one wrestling match.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jan 2, 2010 2:21:06 GMT -5
I really can't see them putting Bret in any kind of risky situation. I mean, they've already got Owen to live down, imagine if Bret also died from a scripted activity at a WW_ event. Bret's not going to let anything of the sort happen either, I hope.
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Post by destrucity on Jan 2, 2010 2:21:21 GMT -5
Prior to his stroke, I don't think Tedy had the history of concussions that Bret did prior to his. Keep in mind that when Bret fell off of his bike and hit his head (which triggered the stroke), it was on grass. The fact that the impact wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been (that is, on pavement), but still managed to facilitate a stroke goes to show just how rough of a shape Bret was in. I think any kind of physical activity could be incredibly risky for Bret right now. I get your point and what others are saying but on one thing, you're wrong. No way they didn't have similar concussion histories. Tedy Bruschi plays professional football. That's all that needs to be said about that. While it is possible that Teddy has had concussions, just like strokes, there are also severity levels to concussions. Bret's concussion issues forced him to retire. Teddy never had concussion issues that severe. |
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Jan 2, 2010 2:46:43 GMT -5
Prior to his stroke, I don't think Tedy had the history of concussions that Bret did prior to his. Keep in mind that when Bret fell off of his bike and hit his head (which triggered the stroke), it was on grass. The fact that the impact wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been (that is, on pavement), but still managed to facilitate a stroke goes to show just how rough of a shape Bret was in. I think any kind of physical activity could be incredibly risky for Bret right now. I get your point and what others are saying but on one thing, you're wrong. No way they didn't have similar concussion histories. Tedy Bruschi plays professional football. That's all that needs to be said about that. That doesn't stand to reason. Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger are both QBs, but have significantly different injury histories. Brees has never missed time with a concussion, but Roethlisberger has. Clearly, just because you're a professional football player, it doesn't mean that there is a typical kind of injury history. Tedy Bruschi did not have a history of concussions prior to having a stroke. Bret Hart did. |
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Post by triplealbert on Jan 2, 2010 3:18:45 GMT -5
Being a LB or a lineman (especially a lineman) guarantees several undiagnosed concussions over the course of your career. Absolutely no doubt, and I believe it's naive to think otherwise.
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Post by Evilution E5150 on Jan 2, 2010 3:28:33 GMT -5
im pretty sure its a combination of the brain injury from Goldbergs kick and the stroke that will prevent him from even taking a single bump anymore
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jan 2, 2010 3:31:38 GMT -5
Being a LB or a lineman (especially a lineman) guarantees several undiagnosed concussions over the course of your career. Absolutely no doubt, and I believe it's naive to think otherwise. So, your basic theory is Bret is too pansy to get hit in the hit again and possibly get a life ending stroke. I don't care what football player had what concussion or injury and came back. Bret had a stroke, plus a very serious concussion , his doctors say he can't wrestle and as far as we know, that hasn't changed. Just because some football jackass did doesn't mean anyone should. |
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