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Post by corndog on Jan 2, 2010 3:38:04 GMT -5
I am not sure if Bret's stroke was that major, it was bad, but there is much worse. A bad stroke will leave the left side of your face drooping and leave you paralyzed. It seems like Bret is functioning quite well now. I think the problem is the severe concussion he suffered which caused the stroke and because of that concussion could cause another one. A person that just has a stroke can take a bump because the odds are that wasn't what caused it, but high blood pressure instead. However that is not the story in Bret's case. I really don't see why he should risk himself to wrestle.
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Post by beastboy on Jan 2, 2010 5:37:40 GMT -5
No chance in hell that he could wrestle but I wonder if he could at least slap on a Sharpshooter on HBK?
One could dream...
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Post by kennerado on Jan 2, 2010 6:08:05 GMT -5
two words: street fight
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Post by dranny on Jan 2, 2010 6:27:36 GMT -5
After seeing his brother die in the ring, I very much doubt he plans on repeating it.
Why even risk yourself in the slightest if you know what could happen?
Surely even Vince wouldn't have him at any risk even if Bret wanted to.
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Post by mauled on Jan 2, 2010 6:59:32 GMT -5
Bret in his book talks about seeing the Doctor after his concussion from Goldbergs kick and how there is literally a hole in his skull. Seriously even if he didnt die he could be a vegtable I doubt he wants that. Unless he wants to a Randy the Ram and die in the ring.
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Post by Kirk_Angel on Jan 2, 2010 7:33:53 GMT -5
I'm not really too sure about Bret's medical history/ severity of his stroke etc., but in a number of cases victims of stroke can return to very high levels of functioning after their illness. This of course depends on severity/location of the stroke and their levels of functioning prior to the stroke. I probably wouldn't recommend Bret getting into a ring for anything that could place him at risk of further head injuries, no matter how minor they might be.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 2, 2010 7:38:34 GMT -5
What about the injury from Goldberg's kick to his head? Didn't he have to retire from that before the stroke business was even an issue?
So, from my understanding, it's like if you took HBK's back injury, then tossed in Austin's neck. So, not only is it one issue, it's another stacked onto it. So, anything more than punching or shoving Vince carries a risk. (What if the chairshot bounced back and hit him, for instance?)
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Post by Krimzon on Jan 2, 2010 8:39:24 GMT -5
Even before the stroke, Bret's career was over due to Post Concussion Syndrome (I'm still looking at you, Goldberg!). A stroke made things all the worse. At the very most, we'll see a punch & Sharpshooter. No more than that.
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Post by ani on Jan 2, 2010 10:01:01 GMT -5
Would he be able to maybe squash Vince in a streetfight without taking a bump? It'd still be risky as all hell. WAY too risky for my liking. Actually, I think I have an AWESOME way it could work. Bret tells Vince to meet him backstage to start the street fight. Vince gets there and Bret is nowhere to be found. Vince starts to have the ref declare him the winner until he gets beaten up by a wrestler. He eventually goes through a gauntlet of wrestlers backstage and even walks into a DX trap set for Bret. Finally, he staggers to the ring only for Bret to greet him...with a sharpshooter. The bell rings instantly, Bret wins.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 2, 2010 12:57:55 GMT -5
Bret absolutely should not risk taking a bump. He's recovered pretty incredibly from both his post-concussion syndrome and his stroke, but even if you're leading a normal life, speaking well, moving around well, thinking well, etc., those conditions never fully go away, and Bret would be at an insanely high risk of further hurting himself if he started taking bumps again. I mean, really, it IS a matter, potentially, of life and death, in his case.
Beyond that, even if Bret could wrestle without fear for his health, I don't see the allure in it unless he could go 100% against a quality opponent. A street fight with Vince McMahon offers zero in the way of closure for Bret fans, I would think (and speaking as one myself).
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Jan 2, 2010 13:04:05 GMT -5
Bret Hart was in no condition to wrestle in 2000, after the Goldberg injury, let alone in 2010. Although I would love to see Bret wrestle again even a streetfight with Vince would be out of the question.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 2, 2010 13:20:36 GMT -5
I'm not hoping for Bret to do any sort of ring work. He's (happily?) retired, I've got my favorite matches featuring him on VHS/DVD, so what else does he need to do for me?
That, and I don't even know if his sharpshooter would look all that good now.
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Post by Flo360 on Jan 2, 2010 13:29:59 GMT -5
Even before the stroke, Bret's career was over due to Post Concussion Syndrome (I'm still looking at you, Goldberg!). A stroke made things all the worse. At the very most, we'll see a punch & Sharpshooter. No more than that. When you are looking at Goldberg, you are pretty much looking at the wrong guy, to fault Brets health Problems on. 1.The Kick wasn`t the main Reason for the Injury, it was just the Trigger which broke open something that had been in terrible shape for a long time. 2.If Goldbergs Kick wouldn`t have done it, then somebody else sure would have. Just saying....
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 2, 2010 14:28:26 GMT -5
Being a LB or a lineman (especially a lineman) guarantees several undiagnosed concussions over the course of your career. Absolutely no doubt, and I believe it's naive to think otherwise. So, your basic theory is Bret is too pansy to get hit in the hit again and possibly get a life ending stroke. I don't care what football player had what concussion or injury and came back. Bret had a stroke, plus a very serious concussion , his doctors say he can't wrestle and as far as we know, that hasn't changed. Just because some football jackass did doesn't mean anyone should. Actually I think tghat his point was building on the Injury potential one, while a QB may have a different potentiality of injury an LB would more than likely HAVE concussions, based solely on the position's basic premise and because of the speed of the game, said concussions would go undiagnosed. This non-diagnosis would then lead to higher health problems later on or a higher chance of a stroke than a QB. On that point one could argue that the average professional wrestler of Bret Hart's time, with the higher use of head injuring moves (Chairshots, Hardcore Spots, and Piledrivers) and Vince Russo's more "Shoot-Inspired" booking style paired with sparce medical care would be a parallel to the LB with undiagnosed Concussions. There's no theory.....He's basically saying that if you don't believe that concussions aren't diagnosed in high-impact players of any sport you're being naive. Bret needs to stay away from taking bumps, Keep him on the mic and managing the Hart Dynasty with the occasional post-match Sharpshooter but WWE can't afford to have him take a "bad" bump
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Post by egyptianblizzard on Jan 2, 2010 14:59:38 GMT -5
Being a LB or a lineman (especially a lineman) guarantees several undiagnosed concussions over the course of your career. Absolutely no doubt, and I believe it's naive to think otherwise. So, your basic theory is Bret is too pansy to get hit in the hit again and possibly get a life ending stroke. I don't care what football player had what concussion or injury and came back. Bret had a stroke, plus a very serious concussion , his doctors say he can't wrestle and as far as we know, that hasn't changed. Just because some football jackass did doesn't mean anyone should. Bruschi had a stroke. I don't care how "minor" it was. It was still a stroke. Then he returned to play football. Not table tennis. Not badminton. Football. Show some respect. I seriously doubt YOU could do the same.
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Post by matt86 on Jan 2, 2010 15:12:27 GMT -5
Even before the stroke, Bret's career was over due to Post Concussion Syndrome (I'm still looking at you, Goldberg!). A stroke made things all the worse. At the very most, we'll see a punch & Sharpshooter. No more than that. When you are looking at Goldberg, you are pretty much looking at the wrong guy, to fault Brets health Problems on. 1.The Kick wasn`t the main Reason for the Injury, it was just the Trigger which broke open something that had been in terrible shape for a long time. 2.If Goldbergs Kick wouldn`t have done it, then somebody else sure would have. Just saying.... What are you basing this on? You got Bret's doctors notes there or something? Even Bret has said publicly that it was Goldberg's 'green' style that caused the injury which in turn led to the stroke happening. If the guy didnt have a hole in the back of his head I seriously doubt the later fall from a bike onto grass would have caused a stroke. He even says in his book it was a lame crash and wouldve looked pathetic to passers-by. (Or something to that effect) Yes, the matches with Funk and Nash AFTER starrcade sure didn't help, but the main damage was already done, which was due to the mule kick from Goldberg. regardless, the fact remains that Bret ought not to be wrestling, and as a huge fan I truly hope he doesn't!
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Post by matt86 on Jan 2, 2010 15:15:33 GMT -5
I am not sure if Bret's stroke was that major, it was bad, but there is much worse. Ive got a photo with bret from a book signing in 2008, and only half of hs mouth is smiling, a knock on effect from the stroke one would assume. Just because he made a fantastic recovery doesn't mean it wasn't a bad stroke. The doctors said if he wasn't so fit etc, his chances of that sort of recovery wouldve been considerably lower.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jan 2, 2010 15:34:36 GMT -5
I'm not going to add much, but isn't it also a money issue? Bret's insurance company prohibits him from wrestling, and if he did, he'd have to pay back most if not all he's gotten after his retiring?
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Post by American Dragon on Jan 2, 2010 15:55:15 GMT -5
Bret stepping back in the ring to wrestle never even crossed my mind when I heard about him coming back to the WWE.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 2, 2010 21:11:30 GMT -5
I'm not going to add much, but isn't it also a money issue? Bret's insurance company prohibits him from wrestling, and if he did, he'd have to pay back most if not all he's gotten after his retiring? Money is an issue but, not because of insurance. The Lloyd's policies had an end date or amount to time that was set to be equal to a career. This is how Hennig, Rude and others were allowed to collect and then go back to wrestling later (and why Hart sued them and they no longer insure wrestlers). He, much like his idol Ric Flair, cannot say no to women and their marrying ways, costing him a lot in the divorces.
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