The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Jan 3, 2010 7:32:47 GMT -5
I'll call Sheamus overpushed when he goes into Mania still the champ. He's only keeping the belt warm for Cena though.
Kennedy was definitely overpushed, considering he was scheduled for the Vince's son angle and a possible main event spot despite being made of glass. And yet he still moans about how he was "treated".
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CardsRule
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Post by CardsRule on Jan 3, 2010 9:42:04 GMT -5
I'll call Sheamus overpushed when he goes into Mania still the champ. He's only keeping the belt warm for Cena though. Kennedy was definitely overpushed, considering he was scheduled for the Vince's son angle and a possible main event spot despite being made of glass. And yet he still moans about how he was "treated". I don't blame him for being a little bitter though considering no wrestler is out more with long term injuries than Batista yet he gets thrown into the title picture upon return without fail.
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Post by taylorandborland on Jan 3, 2010 9:47:42 GMT -5
Pushed into a spot you didn't technically "earn" is hotshotted.
Overpushed is when you've held that spot long enough to justify it, but you're still not very over.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Jan 3, 2010 9:52:02 GMT -5
I think overpushed is when you try to push someone, and even after you've given them everything, they are still getting little reaction.
I don't count Sheamus, because he does get reaction. Sometimes, if you're doing a quick push, you can't wait until the crowd chooses you, they have to go with their instinct and the knowledge that he possesses the skills to be a star. They were right with Sheamus and right with Lesnar.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 3, 2010 10:42:03 GMT -5
Overpushed, to me, means that you have the backing of WWE as something far bigger than you actually are. In other words, The WWE is booking you as either more powerful than you are or a bigger name than the crowd actually expects, believes or knows you to be.
There are really 3 groups that fit this mold:
1. Young up-and-comers: The fans don't know about these guys, they're essentially more of an untested commodity and the Overpush isn't really bad, they just need more behind them to overcome "Fandom Inertia" so to speak. Once the person actually DOES prove that thy're worth the effort the actual push can be tailored based on crowd reaction
2. Anyone groomed for a championship: Joe Schmo hasn't really been great, but suddenly they think it's time to give him a title shot. Sudddenly Joe is the greatest thing in the world and he's put into a Title program. Based on whether the fans can swallow the BS it's either "About damn time" or "Overpushed"
3. The Golden Boy: The Rocks, the Hogans, and the Cenas, these folks are the proven commodities that the bookers either can't (Hogan's Contractual BS) or won't (Cena at times) make look weak in some way. They're not specifically overpushed, but they're never really de-pushed to the extent that others are so it seems like a conastant overpush.
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Post by Vince's Torn Quads on Jan 3, 2010 11:02:46 GMT -5
If you cast your mind back to the transcripts of the interviews Vince and Steph had with someone from the government a little while ago, with all the lawyers present and what not, they both defended WWE's choosing of guys they put to the top, saying that factors like crowd reaction and facial expressions were far more important than a 'look'.
A lot of the time, this is true. But there are times when WWE are so high on a guy that they will push him to the moon, even if he is getting zero reaction, recent examples being Sheamus and Drew McIntyre. Vince and Steph mentioned "x-factor" in those transcripts as well, which is the only way you can really account for the pushes these guys have received.
It's rather jarring to see guys like that getting pushed over other guys you like who have been around longer (I loved heel MVP and heel Kennedy, but their face runs have both been awful) especially if they are getting such little reaction. To me, this is what I think of when somebody says 'overpushed', but then I don't claim to know everything about correct use of terminology.
Personally, I don't understand the Sheamus and McIntyre pushes, because I just can't see what WWE must obviously see in them. Take Lesnar for example; I wasn't watching around the time of his run, so I'll have to taker other peoples word for it about his early crowd reactions unless I do some digging on Youtube. But, it was obvious to anyone with eyes that the dude was a beast, and an unquestionable attraction as a result. It's easy to see why WWE would push someone like that and have faith that reactions will improve.
Sheamus and Drew McIntyre? Not so easy, in my opinion.
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Magician under the moonlight
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Jan 3, 2010 13:17:32 GMT -5
Mabel in 1996.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Jan 3, 2010 20:58:06 GMT -5
Fixed. You fudged the year.
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Post by Unaffiliated on Jan 3, 2010 21:53:39 GMT -5
Overpushed could also be someone remaining in the main event/world title scene for too long. No matter how over a wrestler is, there should always be time to step aside and give someone else the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2010 22:34:45 GMT -5
Consistently being highlighted more than the crowd is willing to buy into, particularly when others are available that could fill said spot more effectively.
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Magician under the moonlight
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Jan 3, 2010 22:42:32 GMT -5
Fixed. You fudged the year. Thanks I didn't remember it exactly but I knew it was around that time.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jan 3, 2010 22:44:38 GMT -5
Consistently being highlighted more than the crowd is willing to buy into, particularly when others are available that could fill said spot more effectively. That about sums it up. You push a guy who basically can't back up what you're saying about him, and pushing him to the point where, due to his lack of whatever traits, the fans are getting sick of him. You could even overpush an incredibly talented wrestler, because every audience has their limits as to how far they're willing to accept a guy being so dominant.
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Post by Just Jay on Jan 4, 2010 0:02:13 GMT -5
I could argue that for a while, Shelton Benjamin was overpushed during his heel run on Smackdown! as a dominant US Champion. But for whatever reason, he never caught on with the crowd.
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Post by Rorschach on Jan 4, 2010 0:27:48 GMT -5
This. There is absolutely NO REASON in this world why this man is as overprotected, and perennially overpushed as he is. You guys notice that NOW that DX has the tag belts, the Tag Title matches go on last? When was the last time THAT was done, when Hunter wasn't involved with them? I'm not trying to say that the answer is to job him to everyone under the sun....what I am saying is that NOW is the time that younger guys who NEED the rub should start going over HHH routinely, instead of the other way around.
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